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Has anyone tried Robb Wolf's autoimmune / gut irritation protocol?

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Created March 23, 2011 at 2:56 PM

I am thinking of trying it to see if it fixes some lingering autoimmune issues, but it seems highly restrictive. No nightshades, dairy, nuts/seeds, starch and eggs. I have gone no dairy and nuts for months now with no improvement, but I am hesitant to eliminate eggs and starch because I am an athlete. Has anyone tried Robb Wolf's protocol and what were your results?

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on October 29, 2011
at 03:28 PM

Hey Namby, I only drink dry red wine so I'm not sure what it is. Some wines appear to trigger the dreaded (and controversial) "red wine headache". If I get the headache, I'm likely to feel not quite right the next day - slightly achey joints and just generally...well, not right. Inflammed. I'm not really sure what it is.

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on October 28, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Does that really make a difference? Aren't hens fed grains? I thought they eat grains (rice, millets, etc.) but the cage-free ones usually eat bugs and insects in addition to grains. Ru saying the majority of their diet is soy?

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:15 PM

When you say "wrong red wine" do you mean sweet, as opposed to dry, red wine?

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:14 PM

it is highly restrictive, but thats the only way to isolate variables. if you do starches like plantains and yams, cut the skin off and bake them in coconut oil. if you do eggs you need to find out how you deal with the whites, the yolks, or both, and everything changes with the chicken's feed & lifestyle. your lingering issues may need extensive testing such as a full stool test, etc.

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:18 PM

I thought I was allergic to eggs for years..joint paint, pain in lower left side, GI upset, inflammation. Turns out it was just eggs that have been fed soy. Now that I have found some "soy feed free" eggs, I can eat them just fine.

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Riveted, it's interesting - ie what you mention about performing well with a very low starch diet wrt athletic performance/competition. Many seem to. Most even? Then there are some who appear to feel and perform so much better with added starch. it's an interesting topic to be sure.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:00 PM

oh! have you tried messing around with some K2? Stephen has posted some of his thoughts and experiences with K2 and skin health. Interesting stuff. I don't find that K2 changes my skin but I do *a lot* of stuff for my skin wrt high ppd european s/s, rx retinoids (tazorac), stable ascorbic acid serum etc...so something that works more subtly could go unnoticed by me.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on March 24, 2011
at 05:59 PM

Consider 1)testing 25(OH)D. it sounds like yours may be a bit lowish 2)consider assessing A intake (preformed A) and tweaking the ratios of A to D as needed. After 7 years of experimenting with this, it seems that my body, skin, brain, eyes, mucous membranes etc do best with a 1 to 6 ratio of A to D. But that may not be the case for everyone.

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on March 24, 2011
at 05:55 PM

OT first, Hey Lindsay! Lunch tomorrow at WF or similar? Parish? LMK... Rob, so those are really helpful details. My views on A and D don't always match up with some of the major paleosphere players. I have a hard time envisioning any scenario in an evolutionary environment that puts our A intake higher than our D intake.

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on March 24, 2011
at 01:40 AM

I have for about two weeks. I'm thinking of trying again for longer at some point.

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on March 23, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Annie and gone2croatan (that's harder to type than cynarin...maybe you should switch back)...just curious if you've done nightshade elimination periods? If so, how long?

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on March 23, 2011
at 07:23 PM

right back at ya, lady! <3

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 07:06 PM

I know. Even my dad and brother, who suffer way more than I ever have, are like, "whatever, this paleo business is a scam; we're just going to keep pumping ourselves full of Humira." Ridiculous.

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on March 23, 2011
at 07:05 PM

I wish there was more discussion on food allergies on the spondy boards. Paleo is the way to go for us.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 07:02 PM

There are quite a few of us. I'm undifferentiated spondy, which basically means "we don't know WTF is your problem but you're HLA-B27 so yeah."

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on March 23, 2011
at 06:52 PM

So much love for your attitude!

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on March 23, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Ankylosing spondy here too. I have found that nightshades are my enemy. Never would have guessed that food could make my SI joints/low back hurt so badly.

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Dammit, that is sad to hear, because I love my eggs.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Well if we are going to be some kind of quasi x-men super hero squad, I want to be the Wolverine type, claws and all.

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:40 PM

For sure...will there be a Fortress of Autoimmunity stocked with cool weapons? And we'll have to work out a schedule for who drives the Leaky Gut Mobile and who rides shotgun - I think that's only fair. Yeah...endurance sports ain't all they're cracked up to be, but biking's part of my social scene and involves ludicrous amounts of really good espresso and micro-brewed beer. Hard habits to break, even for a super hero.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:31 PM

"Hates endurance" came out wrong. "Hates endurance exercise" is appropriate. The former makes it sound like BURNING OUT QUICKLY RULEZ

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Haha, want to be superhero BFFs? I'm a CrossFitter who hates endurance.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Haha, want to be superhero BFFs?

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:27 PM

My diet is high in Vitamin A and Zinc, although I don't know much is actually getting absorbed, and I supplement 3000IU of Vitamin D every couple days. I follow a very high saturated fat diet, around 60% of my fat calories are saturated, and I consume less than 4% dietary PUFA. My o3/06 levels are usually off, maybe because of eggs, but Fitday doesn't take into account that I eat grassfed beef. I feel I follow a pretty clean diet, and although there has been improvements I am still not where I want to be health wise.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Hey Kat, thanks for the answer. My main symptoms are rosacea and seb. derm, as well as many Hypothyroid symptoms, and small digestive issues that have improved a lot since starting Paleo. I took large doses of antibiotics years ago, so obviously my gut flora is less than optimal but probiotics have never helped at all despite trying various brands.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I tried no starch, and as a soccer player, failed completely.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:45 PM

@Katherine - OT, but great to see you here! <3

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:44 PM

i'd say eggs are def. the most likely candidate with regards to AI, right after gluten and dairy. worth a try..

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I have problems with accepting his theory because diary is much a broad world. Lactose, casein and long chained saturated fats should effect us differently. That being said I must admit I have dwelled in his diary stance about the differences. Nice to hear it helped you though.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:36 PM

wasn't* not was

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Well when I first started Paleo I consumed no dairy, starch and nuts/seeds. After 4-5 months I decided to add in a bit of dairy in the form of butter and sweet potatoes, because I was having any major improvements. I have never taken the no eggs/nightshades route, but maybe one of those could be the magic bullet.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Woops, I guess starch is OK according to Robb Wolf. I must have been thinking of the GAPS diet how cynarin pointed out.

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Oh man, @amanda, that is amazing.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

I never really eat them, so there's not much to say there. Would much rather have a sweet potato or a beet.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

There are certain autoimmune issues that have associations with starch, hence the SCD/GAPS diets.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:20 PM

So what about potatoes which are nighshade and starch ?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:20 PM

Maybe he means potatoes as nightshades ?

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:16 PM

This is giving me visions of an entire superhero gang of chronic inflammatory and auto-immune condition sufferers--the x-men and women mutated by crappy foodstuffs and modernity. I'll join. We could fight the crimes of SAD (and wear awesome outfits.)

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:15 PM

where does it say "no starch"?

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Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:47 PM

multiple sclerosis here! holla!

i have played with the idea of doing it, but frankly on a primal diet im feeling better than i have in YEARS and have been asymptomatic for going on 7 months now so i dont see a reason to give it up. my last MRI came back clean, with one lesion on my brain actually having disappeared completely. im seriously a total freak for nightshades and capsicum, and i adore eggs, so frankly unless i have another flare of my disease, im not planning on giving anything else up. im comfortable where i am. if i DO have a flare, ill go for it, but probably only for a short period of time.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on March 23, 2011
at 07:23 PM

right back at ya, lady! <3

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:52 PM

So much love for your attitude!

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0b177701d919967125bad776fc0f1edc

(140)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Yes, it is highly restrictive and it works very well.

Before it was Paleo it wa used to take out contributing factors to the inflammatory response and modulating immune function.

1) you must heal the leaky gut. this is often the point of origin. you are either in or you're out. each time you expose yourself to a reaction you almost have to start over. imagine a moderate cut or scrape...it begins to heal and once a week you rip the scab off. so a simple 15-30 day commitment makes a difference. the foods should nourish and repair the mucosal lining. once you are confident repair is done, you can re-introduce foods. alternatively you can use cyrex labs to see what cross reactive foods you may be having a response to. take the guesswork out.

you should also be using some target specific supplemental support for leaky gut healing. minimal is a) glutamine based support w/herbal soother mucous membrane healers b) probiotic not just to restore but to repopulate 3) microbial defense to clear yeast/fungus, bacteria or other critters of a parasitical nature. no leaking, no foreign invaders in the bloodstream for the immune system to have to 'fight'

2) keep immune response low. support the NOS pathways and glutithione cycle to and your body's ability to manage. again this can be done through diet, exercise and stress management. there is communication going on in the brain on many levels. the hypothamlamus pituitary axis is a stunning communication center for adrenal, thyroid, pancreas and reproductive organs. health here is key.

3) intermitten fasting. take a load off. look into very short periods. we all store residue and as the body clears out the gunk and metabolically begins to function at a higher level, the cells purge the goop. Short periods of no food, say...lunch, no dinner, breakfast post morning wod...can be helpful in restoring vitality.

4) yes, there are a thousand supplements and craziness going on out there. marketing is a candyland of crazy. if you are working with your doctor, check your biomarkers, know the score and listen to your body. maintenance supplementation should be simple, basic multi/vitamin mineral (whole food based), EFA and what you feel is optimal to support your lifestyle (ie. exercise, hydration, stress etc.)

hope this helps! lots of great info on the posts above ;-)

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1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

on March 23, 2011
at 03:10 PM

Spondyloarthropathy Girl here. (I really should start prefacing EVERY conversation with this, and possibly get a cape and a sweet leotard).

I tried it out for a bit to see if I experienced any gains, and it didn't seem to have any noticeable effect in my performance and wellbeing. I did, however, start fiddling with raw, grassfed dairy more than just butter a few months back, and that definitely led to a reverse in my progress. Whenever I eat a ton of nightshades/nuts/eggs I seem to feel achier, but starch is fine. Just my n=1 $0.02.

I'm thinking about trying it out again after I get a little more background on the mechanisms behind the autoimmune issues I deal with. (That is to say, I'm not sure about whether or not full autoimmune protocol is important for those of us who have the HLA-B27 antigen and some pain but haven't had a full-on inflammatory blowout).

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 24, 2011
at 01:40 AM

I have for about two weeks. I'm thinking of trying again for longer at some point.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Ankylosing spondy here too. I have found that nightshades are my enemy. Never would have guessed that food could make my SI joints/low back hurt so badly.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 23, 2011
at 03:20 PM

So what about potatoes which are nighshade and starch ?

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 07:02 PM

There are quite a few of us. I'm undifferentiated spondy, which basically means "we don't know WTF is your problem but you're HLA-B27 so yeah."

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on March 23, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Annie and gone2croatan (that's harder to type than cynarin...maybe you should switch back)...just curious if you've done nightshade elimination periods? If so, how long?

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

I never really eat them, so there's not much to say there. Would much rather have a sweet potato or a beet.

95601768ec9cb75cc3a9cbcd2271ed14

(2206)

on March 23, 2011
at 03:16 PM

This is giving me visions of an entire superhero gang of chronic inflammatory and auto-immune condition sufferers--the x-men and women mutated by crappy foodstuffs and modernity. I'll join. We could fight the crimes of SAD (and wear awesome outfits.)

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Oh man, @amanda, that is amazing.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on March 23, 2011
at 07:05 PM

I wish there was more discussion on food allergies on the spondy boards. Paleo is the way to go for us.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 07:06 PM

I know. Even my dad and brother, who suffer way more than I ever have, are like, "whatever, this paleo business is a scam; we're just going to keep pumping ourselves full of Humira." Ridiculous.

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:20 PM

in my experience there is no question that what robb and others say about the detrimental effects of gluten, dairy, nightshades, lectins, etc. is 100% true and proven in practice. robb has coached and counseled thousands of clients with and without AI or gut/digestive problems. EVERYTHING he recommends matches 100% with my personal experience. so, if you have a leaky gut and/or allergies, starting with a very strict form of paleo makes a lot of sense. adding back stuff later, after getting better, always remains an option..

5f0158c23fcb5636e57b4ce097784da0

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:44 PM

i'd say eggs are def. the most likely candidate with regards to AI, right after gluten and dairy. worth a try..

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:36 PM

wasn't* not was

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Well when I first started Paleo I consumed no dairy, starch and nuts/seeds. After 4-5 months I decided to add in a bit of dairy in the form of butter and sweet potatoes, because I was having any major improvements. I have never taken the no eggs/nightshades route, but maybe one of those could be the magic bullet.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:51 PM

Dammit, that is sad to hear, because I love my eggs.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 23, 2011
at 03:41 PM

I have problems with accepting his theory because diary is much a broad world. Lactose, casein and long chained saturated fats should effect us differently. That being said I must admit I have dwelled in his diary stance about the differences. Nice to hear it helped you though.

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on March 25, 2011
at 11:14 PM

I completed Rob's 30 day autoimmune protocol. I tried bringing a few items back into the mix: corn gave me nightsweats, dairy and nightshades caused joint pain, nuts and eggs caused no problems. I will never eat gluten again.

I added nuts and eggs back into the rotation, but 2 months into trying to heal my gut, I have made no progress. Accidentally had a bit of butter the other day and the joint pain was back. So I guess its time to tighten up and drop the nuts and egg whites.

Chris Kessler suggests a combo of this and GAPS. I wonder how long you should try each stage before tightening up the diet again? Its an n=1 thing, but I guess I need to weigh the length of time it will take with a minimally restrictive diet (Robs Autoimmune protocol) compared to a very restrictive diet (GAPS and Robs Autoimmune protocol).

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:15 PM

Sero-Negative Spondylarthropathy Boy here. I think there's only one way to know, and that's to take all potential irritants out for a really long time and introduce back in one by one. I mean, I'm sure Superman had to do this with kryptonite ("Yeah there was kryptonite in that salad, but maybe it was the blue cheese...").

I've been working with paleo and no-starch for a few years now and feel like it's made a huge difference in my overall health and a "noticeable" difference in my AS...maybe. I've never been able to keep all irritants out for an extended period, so end up second guessing everything (probably the kryptonite). The other mind game I play is thinking that, even if I'm not in full remission, who knows how bad I'd be if I'd kept on the SAD path. Badder than bad, most likely.

Cynarin...not sure what you're into, but I've performed very well in both aerobic (endurance cycling) and anaerobic (ice hockey, lifting) sports with no starch in my diet. Depends on your level of performance / competition.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on March 23, 2011
at 04:50 PM

Well if we are going to be some kind of quasi x-men super hero squad, I want to be the Wolverine type, claws and all.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:31 PM

"Hates endurance" came out wrong. "Hates endurance exercise" is appropriate. The former makes it sound like BURNING OUT QUICKLY RULEZ

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Haha, want to be superhero BFFs? I'm a CrossFitter who hates endurance.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Haha, want to be superhero BFFs?

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on March 24, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Riveted, it's interesting - ie what you mention about performing well with a very low starch diet wrt athletic performance/competition. Many seem to. Most even? Then there are some who appear to feel and perform so much better with added starch. it's an interesting topic to be sure.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:18 PM

I tried no starch, and as a soccer player, failed completely.

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(3259)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:40 PM

For sure...will there be a Fortress of Autoimmunity stocked with cool weapons? And we'll have to work out a schedule for who drives the Leaky Gut Mobile and who rides shotgun - I think that's only fair. Yeah...endurance sports ain't all they're cracked up to be, but biking's part of my social scene and involves ludicrous amounts of really good espresso and micro-brewed beer. Hard habits to break, even for a super hero.

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Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

on March 23, 2011
at 03:43 PM

Rob, a few things come to mind:

sleep how is your sleep? Is there any indication that it is other than optimal?

1)are you getting sufficient sleep prior to midnight - every night or almost so?

2)does anyone say that you snore?

Lack of good quality sleep can keep levels of inflammation up.

Vitamin D How is your 25(OH)D? Which lab did the assay?

Nutrition What is your dietary ??3:??6? Your PUFA:SaFA? Your macros - ie fat, carb, protein? Are you sure you're getting enough vitamin A and zinc? Any symptoms of poor digestion? (GERD can manifest with post nasal drip, throat clearing, chronic mild cough...digestive enzymes may be helpful)

While it's very unfashionable to 'track' micros in the paleosphere, there are those of us that are so sensitive to the dietary details. For us, tweaking ratios really can matter signficantly. I do have to watch ??3:??6 very carefully which means moderate to low chicken and egg consumption always balanced by wild salmon or sardine intake. I keep both low focusing instead on ruminants, preferably grassfed.

Symptoms What are your autoimmune symptoms and/or diagnosis?

"Canary in the coalmine" is an apt descriptor for me. One or two nights of less than optimal sleep, the 'wrong' red wine, a little gluten or dairy (butter is fine) can, for me, mean achey joint inflammation, headaches, cloudy thinking.

For better or worse, some of us do have to be just that careful.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:27 PM

My diet is high in Vitamin A and Zinc, although I don't know much is actually getting absorbed, and I supplement 3000IU of Vitamin D every couple days. I follow a very high saturated fat diet, around 60% of my fat calories are saturated, and I consume less than 4% dietary PUFA. My o3/06 levels are usually off, maybe because of eggs, but Fitday doesn't take into account that I eat grassfed beef. I feel I follow a pretty clean diet, and although there has been improvements I am still not where I want to be health wise.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

(1146)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Hey Kat, thanks for the answer. My main symptoms are rosacea and seb. derm, as well as many Hypothyroid symptoms, and small digestive issues that have improved a lot since starting Paleo. I took large doses of antibiotics years ago, so obviously my gut flora is less than optimal but probiotics have never helped at all despite trying various brands.

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on March 23, 2011
at 03:45 PM

@Katherine - OT, but great to see you here! <3

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on March 24, 2011
at 05:55 PM

OT first, Hey Lindsay! Lunch tomorrow at WF or similar? Parish? LMK... Rob, so those are really helpful details. My views on A and D don't always match up with some of the major paleosphere players. I have a hard time envisioning any scenario in an evolutionary environment that puts our A intake higher than our D intake.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on March 24, 2011
at 06:00 PM

oh! have you tried messing around with some K2? Stephen has posted some of his thoughts and experiences with K2 and skin health. Interesting stuff. I don't find that K2 changes my skin but I do *a lot* of stuff for my skin wrt high ppd european s/s, rx retinoids (tazorac), stable ascorbic acid serum etc...so something that works more subtly could go unnoticed by me.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on March 24, 2011
at 05:59 PM

Consider 1)testing 25(OH)D. it sounds like yours may be a bit lowish 2)consider assessing A intake (preformed A) and tweaking the ratios of A to D as needed. After 7 years of experimenting with this, it seems that my body, skin, brain, eyes, mucous membranes etc do best with a 1 to 6 ratio of A to D. But that may not be the case for everyone.

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on October 27, 2011
at 10:15 PM

When you say "wrong red wine" do you mean sweet, as opposed to dry, red wine?

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on October 29, 2011
at 03:28 PM

Hey Namby, I only drink dry red wine so I'm not sure what it is. Some wines appear to trigger the dreaded (and controversial) "red wine headache". If I get the headache, I'm likely to feel not quite right the next day - slightly achey joints and just generally...well, not right. Inflammed. I'm not really sure what it is.

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on October 27, 2011
at 07:33 PM

It seems that there is strong anecdotal evidence against dairy for connective-tissue related autoimmune diseases (such as RA, AS, SLE, SSc, CREST, etc.). I get instant dry eyes / brain fog / and cloudy thinking symptoms with dairy. And I'm talking about all forms of dairy: not just conventional milk (including raw milk): sour cream, cottage cheese, Greek yogurt, heavy whipping cream, half and half, butter, cream cheese. As soon as I bring any of these back, I react immediately. Ghee is the only form of dairy I've not experimented with yet (too hard to find and expensive).

As for gluten, I avoid it even though I don't seem to immediately react to it. I'm not so sure about nighshades but I do eat nightshade-free. It was unimaginable eliminating bell peppers, paprika, cayenne pepper, chili powder, and Tabasco hot sauce. But I've subbed in peppercorn (black pepper), garlic powder, ginger, Himalayan salt, and horseradish and I don't really seem to miss nightshades anymore. Those who love spicy additives should try horseradish made with beets.

Which brings me to eggs. I've kept the eggs. Will my remaining autoimmune symptoms go away if I go eggless? Definitely worth a try.

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on October 27, 2011
at 08:18 PM

I thought I was allergic to eggs for years..joint paint, pain in lower left side, GI upset, inflammation. Turns out it was just eggs that have been fed soy. Now that I have found some "soy feed free" eggs, I can eat them just fine.

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on October 28, 2011
at 11:14 PM

Does that really make a difference? Aren't hens fed grains? I thought they eat grains (rice, millets, etc.) but the cage-free ones usually eat bugs and insects in addition to grains. Ru saying the majority of their diet is soy?

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on October 27, 2011
at 06:27 PM

i'm having trouble finding the link to his protocol...

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on March 23, 2011
at 09:53 PM

I'm only 5 weeks into paleo - w some serious gi issues and RA as well as osteo arthritis - at 64 I'm arriving late from the pescatarian scene- I haven't felt better in yrs - I don't take meds for my RA any more but have bearable aches in joints- a vast improvement! I've been eating eggs - no more than a dozen a wk - I'm contemplating going off them but like u, I'll wait because I really really like them, had to stop the cayenne and chili peppers and that's like quitting smoking to me! I cheat a little now and then - also have 1-2 tsps raw almond butter for dessert and a yam a wk 1/2 yam 2x's wk - no dairy - no nightshades w the exception of a small Amt. of tomato sauce on spaghetti squash 2 x's a wk - again I may cut some of these out as I go along I don't want to be so restrictive that I give up! Good luck! The egg panel is out -- some say ok others just eat whites others not at all! Most say yams don't fall in "potato" category.

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on December 22, 2012
at 05:27 PM

i've been trying the autoimmune protocol for a little while now- can't remember exactly how long but over a month and a half. i haven't noticed any benefits from eliminating any of these AI foods. i still have all the symptoms of my autoimmune disease- ulcerative colitis. not sure what to do now!

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