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Changing the inside.. changing the outside?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 29, 2011 at 2:26 PM

Has anyone else been shifting to an inside/outside natural philosphy? Since I've turned Paleo I have slowly been eliminating or changing other parts of my life. I grew up in a hippy community so healthy body/home products and such aren't new but transitioned out when I got older. Now I find that I'm slowly returning to the philosophy that I was raised with. I use Weleda salt toothpaste instead of "normal", not ready to make my own yet, as well as their Sage deodorant, back to Dr. Bronner's, etc. I know Paleo people who use mass marketed products because that's their preference but my thoughts - and not because it's "the Paleo way" - are if I'm eating clean, which I always have, why not live clean? Curious..

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:31 PM

@jesusijuba, thanks for the avocado trick, it helped take the sting out of it!! we're back and the redness and immflamation has cleared but today its feeling itchy again. the skin is really 'thick' im still putting coconut oil on it, any tricks to get it to go away??

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on July 05, 2011
at 11:40 PM

love it @meredith - bring it! you know.. there has been much poo talk lately on le paleo hacks. trending topic ftw!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on July 05, 2011
at 11:36 PM

+2 @kelly! sounds like you're making some great changes. hope the hands are better and get in that sun! :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on July 04, 2011
at 02:52 AM

@Kelly - Are you ready!?!? It's basically a "transpoosion" of poo from healthy people into those who are chronically afflicted with digestive diseases. I even found a "poodcast" - it's actually pretty interesting http://freakonomicsradio.com/the-power-of-poop.html

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:57 PM

@jesusijuba, I think you are right about the sun, we try to go away for weekends to better climate (Bogota is super contaiminated, rains all the time) and in a day or two it starts to get better. Upon returning always starts coming back worse. Today were leaving and just in time, I can't even wear my wedding rings I can't take anything even water touching the skin. I'll try avocado to sooth, its really imflamed and red now. Yesterday coconut oil all day but still very red, patchy, thick skin. Isnt itchy though, so thats good. I'll try and grab more sun when it comes out in the city!!!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:50 PM

ok i think I really dont want to know, gross whatever it is!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 08:02 PM

hey @kelly, how often do you get outside? i have a gf who is basically allergic to the world, eczema is a huge problem. she's part of a study and one requirement is to be in the sun 30 minutes a day and she has seen results. sun in general is amazing for you.. this is just another affirmation. and yet another, i have rosacea and since Paleo + 45-60 minutes + sun a day, or more, it's backed off and sun/heat was a supposed trigger. have you tried mashed avocado on your hands? very soothing..

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 PM

It's on now little lady. I am going to use "fecal" in as many comments that I can!!!!!!!!! Never expose your weaknesses - I will exploit them (insert evil laugh and hand wringing here).

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:03 PM

ok i really dont know how to spell....eczema

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:00 PM

ok you sold me, I would love smelling like a cupcake!! I have issues with exzeyma under the arms as well and was thinking will the coconut oil over dry the skin and make it worse? (i heard it helps but with constant use will overdry?)....for that matter, i have terrible exzyema on my hands now too. as soon as I return to the city from weekends away it comes back with a vengence.....

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Oh, so glad I asked! Never hurts, right? :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Kind of a flip answer but it stemmed from something kind of serious that I joke about now as I can. I had meningitis a few years ago and first diagnosis was "ohsosorry you're dying!" then it was "ohguesswhat you'll live but be blind!" and the final result? Alive and very seeing. Just doing something as simple as making a pretty eye, my usual if I'm wearing anything, makes me smile. It took forever to find something that le eyes weren't sensitive to.. so.. don't touch my mascara! :P Now the shoes.. the shoes are another matter...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:17 AM

I'd shank someone for stealing my mascara. Funny, older I get the less makeup I wear. Umm, I'll take any extra shoes off your hands. As one paleohacker to another.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:13 AM

I will not comment re: $600 heels as I was in high fashion for quite a while with a very nice very heavy discount (sometimes to the tune of 80% off - true!), but re: makeup - I use very little and it's what I want and what I like. No change, period. I LOVE my mascara and will shank anyone who tries to take it from me. Toilet paper and paper towels will stay in the house, too. I live in Brooklyn - no way am I scavenging Prospect Park for leaves :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:12 AM

I will not comment re: $600 heels as I was in high fashion for a number of years with a very nice very heavy discount (sometimes to the tune of 80% off, but re: makeup - I use very little and it's what I want and what I like. No change, period. Toilet paper and paper towels will stay in the house, too. I live in Brooklyn - no way am I scavenging Prospect Park for leaves :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:08 AM

Baconbitch! I wanna try this! What ratio of coconut oil and baking soda do you use?!?! The Weleda has treated me well, but am always looking for alternatives!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:05 AM

Meredith - ::whispers: close family members are the preferred donors. Would make for a most excellent dinner conversation, especially over the holidays! "Mum.. I need to talk to you but first will you pass the salad?"

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 29, 2011
at 11:57 PM

These things are the dark side of the Paleo world. I think the Perfect Health Diet book talked about fecal transplants. What I want to know is how they go about getting donors.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 09:30 PM

Yeah...I have a had time paying $60!

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:30 PM

lol $600 heels - sweet jesus!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Kelly...I was wondering about the fecal thing. I'm too scared to Google it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:35 PM

Kelly..I use coconut oil and baking soda for deodorant. I am stunned because it is more effective than anything I've used..ever. my kid thought it was gross till I came back from a sweaty walk and said I smelled like a cupcake. I caught her trying it out after that! And being stinky is not an option for me.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Don't get me wrong...I would be hard pressed to deny a pair of $600 heels if they just happened to fall into my lap. Good taste should never be compromised :) and I wont give up makeup or toilet paper. Call me prissy like that.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Awesome! It feels so good with the changes, even small, right? If I can recommend.. Weleda makes really nice natural deodorant, I use the Sage, at a price that won't make your shriek and Dr. Hauschka as well but its big bucks. Worth trying out just to see and I definitely smell good :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Awesome! It feels so good with the changes, even small. If I can recommend.. Weleda makes really nice natural deodorant, I use the Sage, at a price that won't make your shriek and Dr. Hauschka as well but its big bucks. Worth trying out just to see and I definitely smell good :)

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:11 PM

nice baconbitch! Its nice to hear simple alternatives that work and that you haven't sacrificed anything for the same results!! I'm encouraged its possible now!!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:09 PM

huh? what am I missing, how can you 'no poo'??? what the heck is a fecal transplant, or don't i want to know? [learn something new every day here!!!]

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:41 PM

I was mudrunning naked up through high school :) After I left home it was all "gimmegimme name brands!" Somehow I kind of fell into a very strange space where I always ate clean, unless I ate out, no microwave, super recycler, limited plastic in the house, et al., but never really thought about the rest. Why I have no idea. Just.. a weirdo absent zone for some reason. I've transitioned out about 1/2 of the major consumer items and replaced with organic, simpler, homemade, and/or enviro friendly products. So far so good but will keep some. Was hoping I wasn't the only backwards one :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Thanks for sharing the link!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:30 PM

I don't think I'll ever go back to the "no poo" days but adding Bronner's back in actually made me grin - travelled around the world with that multi-purpose soapy soap. Stuff is amazing. To each their own on the other pieces :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:27 PM

For reals, coconut oil and just simply coconut in general is amazing! So many properties it can be used for. I literally have in my house 7-different varieties that I utilize daily - both for cooking and health. Yay for those little furry bowling balls of goodness!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Hey great, thanks for sharing the link!

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 29, 2011
at 03:52 PM

Sometimes living "clean" means living a litter dirtier. There's a whole faction of "no poo" "no soap" paleo people :) Also, some are into fecal transplants and eating dirt for beneficial bacteria.

Fe535c4994ac6176f76e1ff6d29eb08a

(4286)

on June 29, 2011
at 03:27 PM

"What isn't coconut oil good for?" I ask myself this at least once a day. Just think if McGuyver would have carried a little coconut oil with him what he could have accomplished!

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on June 29, 2011
at 03:22 PM

Agreed. It's critical for me that a product actually adds value over simpler, cheaper, and/or more sustainable alternatives.

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Fe535c4994ac6176f76e1ff6d29eb08a

on June 29, 2011
at 02:35 PM

Absolutely. Of course, for me, the switch to paleo was part (large part) of an overall change in how I was living my life. I added exercise, got rid of all the soaps and shampoos, using a more basic deodorant (no more aluminum), started walking or riding my bike to work rather than driving every day.

The biggest thing is now that I am so used to checking lables on everything, I check labels on EVERYTHING! Of course, part of the beauty of paleo is most of what you buy doesnt have a label anymore, because its just beef, or just broccoli. However, anything with a name brand gets checked and double checked.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on June 29, 2011
at 03:22 PM

Agreed. It's critical for me that a product actually adds value over simpler, cheaper, and/or more sustainable alternatives.

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8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

on June 30, 2011
at 02:51 PM

Oh Lordy, I've been sucked into the dark side, for sure. I started running in more and more minimal shoes and even barefoot. That journey is continuing -- walking and running barefoot as much as I can. That led me to MovNat -- working out in nature. Using trees and logs and rocks and stuff instead of a gym. That led me to Paleo. Which then led me to "no soap, no 'poo". I already didn't use deodorant because I've never really smelled much. Now I smell even better somehow. I still use toothpaste (Colgate herbal) simply because I really like the way it makes my mouth feel and taste. But only soap on my hands. And nothing on the rest of me except for coconut oil when I'm feeling dry. And that all led me to ditch the bed, so now I sleep on the floor with no pillow either.

Of course, I'm gonna die with my Garmin watch on my wrist and my iPod in my ears. I'm no luddite ;-)

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 05:37 PM

Totally! I grew up 80s style so name brands were it! My momwas a hippie an pretty poor so we had to improvise. Now I am grateful for that. Our staples are acv, baking soda, peroxide, coconut oil and regular vinegar along with lavendar and camphor. Kids hated going that way but within a month kids acne and dandruff were gone. Our teeth felt cleaner and our skin is supple and doesn't burn.

I practice minimalism too and paleo was a natural fit since the rule is one thing in one thing out and no food waste. I feel a greater sense of control over my life and health both physically and mentally. Our total waste and recyclables have decreased...except for the wine bottles which have become candle holders :)

And meredith we aren't stinky, wouldn't eat dirt and fecal anything makes me gag.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:11 PM

nice baconbitch! Its nice to hear simple alternatives that work and that you haven't sacrificed anything for the same results!! I'm encouraged its possible now!!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 30, 2011
at 12:17 AM

I'd shank someone for stealing my mascara. Funny, older I get the less makeup I wear. Umm, I'll take any extra shoes off your hands. As one paleohacker to another.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Kind of a flip answer but it stemmed from something kind of serious that I joke about now as I can. I had meningitis a few years ago and first diagnosis was "ohsosorry you're dying!" then it was "ohguesswhat you'll live but be blind!" and the final result? Alive and very seeing. Just doing something as simple as making a pretty eye, my usual if I'm wearing anything, makes me smile. It took forever to find something that le eyes weren't sensitive to.. so.. don't touch my mascara! :P Now the shoes.. the shoes are another matter...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:31 PM

Don't get me wrong...I would be hard pressed to deny a pair of $600 heels if they just happened to fall into my lap. Good taste should never be compromised :) and I wont give up makeup or toilet paper. Call me prissy like that.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:41 PM

I was mudrunning naked up through high school :) After I left home it was all "gimmegimme name brands!" Somehow I kind of fell into a very strange space where I always ate clean, unless I ate out, no microwave, super recycler, limited plastic in the house, et al., but never really thought about the rest. Why I have no idea. Just.. a weirdo absent zone for some reason. I've transitioned out about 1/2 of the major consumer items and replaced with organic, simpler, homemade, and/or enviro friendly products. So far so good but will keep some. Was hoping I wasn't the only backwards one :)

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:30 PM

lol $600 heels - sweet jesus!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 09:30 PM

Yeah...I have a had time paying $60!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:13 AM

I will not comment re: $600 heels as I was in high fashion for quite a while with a very nice very heavy discount (sometimes to the tune of 80% off - true!), but re: makeup - I use very little and it's what I want and what I like. No change, period. I LOVE my mascara and will shank anyone who tries to take it from me. Toilet paper and paper towels will stay in the house, too. I live in Brooklyn - no way am I scavenging Prospect Park for leaves :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:12 AM

I will not comment re: $600 heels as I was in high fashion for a number of years with a very nice very heavy discount (sometimes to the tune of 80% off, but re: makeup - I use very little and it's what I want and what I like. No change, period. Toilet paper and paper towels will stay in the house, too. I live in Brooklyn - no way am I scavenging Prospect Park for leaves :)

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 PM

It's on now little lady. I am going to use "fecal" in as many comments that I can!!!!!!!!! Never expose your weaknesses - I will exploit them (insert evil laugh and hand wringing here).

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on July 05, 2011
at 11:40 PM

love it @meredith - bring it! you know.. there has been much poo talk lately on le paleo hacks. trending topic ftw!

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531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on June 29, 2011
at 03:20 PM

Never heard the term "inside/outside" but it seems like the answer is yes.

I stopped using soap and shampoo because I didn't recognize the ingredients and it was sometimes difficult/impossible to identify potential soy and gluten sources (I'm celiac). Also stopped using toothpaste. Threw away most of my medicine cabinet.

But I'm not dogmatic about it. I've found that "whitening" toothpaste works better, and is easier, than making my own mix with salt, baking soda, peroxide, etc. So I use it, even though it's modern chemistry. No gluten, though, no soy, and--critically--in my experience it is more effective than the alternatives. (FYI, Sensodyne contains gluten so I avoid it. Crest and Aqua Fresh do not.) I also use 50/50 diluted 3% hydrogen peroxide as a mouthwash. Not exactly paleo but with this combination of paste and mouthwash I no longer have dark teeth, stained from my staples of wine and coffee.

Shampoo I've found to be unnecessary. I used to have regular and two brands of dandruff. Expensive stuff. Neutrogena. After quitting, I experienced about 2 or 3 months of greasiness. Then my hair chemistry stabilized. Now my hair looks good and--again, critically--the dandruff issue is under much better control. Not absent, but minimal.

Before playing a soccer game I coat myself with coconut oil. So far no burns. What isn't coconut oil good for?

My thing is that I won't dismiss modern chemistry and the like. I'm just skeptical.

Fe535c4994ac6176f76e1ff6d29eb08a

(4286)

on June 29, 2011
at 03:27 PM

"What isn't coconut oil good for?" I ask myself this at least once a day. Just think if McGuyver would have carried a little coconut oil with him what he could have accomplished!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:27 PM

For reals, coconut oil and just simply coconut in general is amazing! So many properties it can be used for. I literally have in my house 7-different varieties that I utilize daily - both for cooking and health. Yay for those little furry bowling balls of goodness!

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:16 PM

Absolutely love this question. Without a doubt the biggest paleo change for me first was on the inside in how I changed my mindset. With out that I do not believe I could have done what I did and what I have done to the people in my practice. I am grateful for having that experience.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 01:43 AM

Oh, so glad I asked! Never hurts, right? :)

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 29, 2011
at 03:02 PM

This is really similar to another question from a few days ago - What are you doing to live more chemical free

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Hey great, thanks for sharing the link!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 06:35 PM

Thanks for sharing the link!

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:09 PM

guess i am trying to heal the inside and the outside as well. I do read labels now but most times I figure if I'm reading a label it's probably not what I need anyways.

I'm hoping to go even 'cleaner' living, but sorry, I could never go no soap, deodorant etc. If I find a natural product that works I'd be happy to switch but I still want to smell good, yep, all the time!!

I've already gone all stainless steel pots/pan, got rid of the plastic-using glass jars, its a start for me!!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 08:02 PM

hey @kelly, how often do you get outside? i have a gf who is basically allergic to the world, eczema is a huge problem. she's part of a study and one requirement is to be in the sun 30 minutes a day and she has seen results. sun in general is amazing for you.. this is just another affirmation. and yet another, i have rosacea and since Paleo + 45-60 minutes + sun a day, or more, it's backed off and sun/heat was a supposed trigger. have you tried mashed avocado on your hands? very soothing..

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Awesome! It feels so good with the changes, even small, right? If I can recommend.. Weleda makes really nice natural deodorant, I use the Sage, at a price that won't make your shriek and Dr. Hauschka as well but its big bucks. Worth trying out just to see and I definitely smell good :)

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 30, 2011
at 12:08 AM

Baconbitch! I wanna try this! What ratio of coconut oil and baking soda do you use?!?! The Weleda has treated me well, but am always looking for alternatives!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:35 PM

Kelly..I use coconut oil and baking soda for deodorant. I am stunned because it is more effective than anything I've used..ever. my kid thought it was gross till I came back from a sweaty walk and said I smelled like a cupcake. I caught her trying it out after that! And being stinky is not an option for me.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:03 PM

ok i really dont know how to spell....eczema

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on June 29, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Awesome! It feels so good with the changes, even small. If I can recommend.. Weleda makes really nice natural deodorant, I use the Sage, at a price that won't make your shriek and Dr. Hauschka as well but its big bucks. Worth trying out just to see and I definitely smell good :)

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on June 30, 2011
at 01:00 PM

ok you sold me, I would love smelling like a cupcake!! I have issues with exzeyma under the arms as well and was thinking will the coconut oil over dry the skin and make it worse? (i heard it helps but with constant use will overdry?)....for that matter, i have terrible exzyema on my hands now too. as soon as I return to the city from weekends away it comes back with a vengence.....

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 01, 2011
at 12:57 PM

@jesusijuba, I think you are right about the sun, we try to go away for weekends to better climate (Bogota is super contaiminated, rains all the time) and in a day or two it starts to get better. Upon returning always starts coming back worse. Today were leaving and just in time, I can't even wear my wedding rings I can't take anything even water touching the skin. I'll try avocado to sooth, its really imflamed and red now. Yesterday coconut oil all day but still very red, patchy, thick skin. Isnt itchy though, so thats good. I'll try and grab more sun when it comes out in the city!!!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on July 05, 2011
at 11:36 PM

+2 @kelly! sounds like you're making some great changes. hope the hands are better and get in that sun! :)

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 06, 2011
at 12:31 PM

@jesusijuba, thanks for the avocado trick, it helped take the sting out of it!! we're back and the redness and immflamation has cleared but today its feeling itchy again. the skin is really 'thick' im still putting coconut oil on it, any tricks to get it to go away??

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