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Slow wound healing?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 01, 2011 at 12:40 AM

Has anyone noticed differences in wound healing time on Paleo?

It seems like minor wounds on my hands (such as a bite from the girlfriend's Senegal) take forever (months) to heal. Not sure if this is normal or not.

I wonder if it could be Vitamin C related. How do you folks get enough C?

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on March 16, 2011
at 01:30 PM

Just to answer your Q: I think calcium ascorbate is a possible benefit, but I would be really careful to see where the company was sourcing it from.

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on March 15, 2011
at 09:45 PM

Nevermind, I just ordered a couple bottles of the brand you recommend. It's pretty reasonably-priced as far as these things go, at least compared to my supermarket. Better ingredients too.

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on March 15, 2011
at 05:30 PM

Great information; do you consider calcium ascorbate to be a viable source if coupled with various bioflavonoids, or is strictly sodium ascorbate that is worth taking?

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on March 03, 2011
at 01:20 PM

" Years of research have demonstrated that when any portion of a vitamin is separated from its naturally occurring collective, cooperative complex, including trace-mineral activators, and reduced to an isolated purified state, the vitamin activity has been lost."

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on March 03, 2011
at 01:20 PM

"It is generally thought that the term vitamin C refers to ascorbic acid. But ascorbic acid is only the antioxidant ring that surrounds the vitamin C complex. Vitamin C was discovered by Szent-Gyorgi and first isolated from peppers. In this state it was found to have 7 identified and other unidentified compounds, comprised of Rutin (vitamin P), the bioflavonoid complex, the “K” factor, the “J”-factor, Tyrosinase (organic copper), ascorbic acid, ascorbigen, and components not yet identified. Ascorbic Acid only represents the antioxidant ring surrounding these 7 other compounds."

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on March 03, 2011
at 01:05 PM

When you look at the schematic of the whole Vitamin C Complex, you see that the bioflavonoid complexes, enzymes and organic copper, and the other nutritional factors like P, J, and K make up the bulk of vitamin C. The ascorbic acid (C6H8 806) is the protective wrapper. When the whole vitamin C complex is fed to the body, things really happen. Blood vessels begin to strengthen. Collagen is more readily produced. Bones take up calcium and other minerals properly. Capillaries firm up and bleeding stops. Gums stop bleeding, teeth tighten, and the oxygenation of the cells becomes more efficient.

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Cancer thrives on glucose and ascorbic acid. Studies from the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center showed that tumors do better in a high ascorbic acid environment. Ascorbic acid is excreted via the kidneys in 24 hours. (European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1990 June;44(6):447-60). Five hundred mgs. of ascorbic acid daily can damage genetic material (DNA). (New York Times, April 8, 1998-quoting the journal Nature of the same month).

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at 01:04 PM

....ascorbic acid is such a tiny portion of the natural Vitamin C Complex. any ascorbic acid product cannot possibly be natural. The reason is simple-to get sufficient quantities of ascorbic acid from nature, the other portions of the whole Vitamin C Complex would be so large as to make a single 500 mg "natural" ascorbic acid pill the size of a tennis ball.

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on March 03, 2011
at 01:04 PM

Ascorbic Acid has mistakenly been called Vitamin C - it is actually a liver metabolite rather than a vitamin. It is produced in large quantities in almost all animals, e.g. 6 grams a day in a goat, or up to 100grams daily if the goat is stressed. But it is not Ascorbic Acid that our body requires, rather a SALT (mineral) of Ascorbic Acid. A daily supplementation of Ascorbate several times a day is a simple way to make up for this genetic defect. (....)

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More info on ascorbic acid not being real vitamin C? Also, any idea if calcium ascorbate is any good as a C supplement?

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on March 01, 2011
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http://paleohacks.com/questions/17252/minor-skin-wounds-heal-slower-on-paleo

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Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

on July 03, 2011
at 09:41 PM

This is not normal and is likely the result of zinc deficiency assuming you're eating sufficient plant and/or organ matter for vitamin C and vitamin A.

Insufficient amounts of C and A can absolutely play a role too - even iron deficiency can though that woudln't be my first guess here.

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on March 15, 2011
at 05:25 PM

A possibility could be that you're actually doing too well at Paleo. Paleo is great at massively reducing systemic inflammation, however wound healing is actually dependent on a certain degree of inflammation being present in the body.

I wouldn't advocate that you intentionally try to provoke an inflammatory response, but perhaps try cutting back on the foods/supplements which strongly inhibit inflammation e.g. berries (particularly blueberries), fish oil, green/white tea, dark chocolate e.t.c.

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Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on March 01, 2011
at 03:49 PM

Vitamin C is a major indicator here, as you suspected, so is Vitamin A which is responsible for the formation of new tissue.

For C: I go for whole-source powders, like amalaki, camu camu and others rich in bioflavonoids. etc. It's made by Pure Synergy: Radiance C. Or go for Sodium Ascorbate... BUT take note: ascorbic acid is NOT real Vitamin C. Also make sure you're getting bio-available sources of folic acid.

Honey and coconut is also a good topical recommendation (see lalabomba above).

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 03, 2011
at 01:20 PM

" Years of research have demonstrated that when any portion of a vitamin is separated from its naturally occurring collective, cooperative complex, including trace-mineral activators, and reduced to an isolated purified state, the vitamin activity has been lost."

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 03, 2011
at 01:04 PM

....ascorbic acid is such a tiny portion of the natural Vitamin C Complex. any ascorbic acid product cannot possibly be natural. The reason is simple-to get sufficient quantities of ascorbic acid from nature, the other portions of the whole Vitamin C Complex would be so large as to make a single 500 mg "natural" ascorbic acid pill the size of a tennis ball.

76f3ead3aa977d876bcf3331d35a36e9

(4620)

on March 01, 2011
at 04:39 PM

More info on ascorbic acid not being real vitamin C? Also, any idea if calcium ascorbate is any good as a C supplement?

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 03, 2011
at 01:05 PM

When you look at the schematic of the whole Vitamin C Complex, you see that the bioflavonoid complexes, enzymes and organic copper, and the other nutritional factors like P, J, and K make up the bulk of vitamin C. The ascorbic acid (C6H8 806) is the protective wrapper. When the whole vitamin C complex is fed to the body, things really happen. Blood vessels begin to strengthen. Collagen is more readily produced. Bones take up calcium and other minerals properly. Capillaries firm up and bleeding stops. Gums stop bleeding, teeth tighten, and the oxygenation of the cells becomes more efficient.

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 03, 2011
at 01:20 PM

"It is generally thought that the term vitamin C refers to ascorbic acid. But ascorbic acid is only the antioxidant ring that surrounds the vitamin C complex. Vitamin C was discovered by Szent-Gyorgi and first isolated from peppers. In this state it was found to have 7 identified and other unidentified compounds, comprised of Rutin (vitamin P), the bioflavonoid complex, the “K” factor, the “J”-factor, Tyrosinase (organic copper), ascorbic acid, ascorbigen, and components not yet identified. Ascorbic Acid only represents the antioxidant ring surrounding these 7 other compounds."

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 03, 2011
at 01:04 PM

Ascorbic Acid has mistakenly been called Vitamin C - it is actually a liver metabolite rather than a vitamin. It is produced in large quantities in almost all animals, e.g. 6 grams a day in a goat, or up to 100grams daily if the goat is stressed. But it is not Ascorbic Acid that our body requires, rather a SALT (mineral) of Ascorbic Acid. A daily supplementation of Ascorbate several times a day is a simple way to make up for this genetic defect. (....)

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 03, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Cancer thrives on glucose and ascorbic acid. Studies from the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center showed that tumors do better in a high ascorbic acid environment. Ascorbic acid is excreted via the kidneys in 24 hours. (European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1990 June;44(6):447-60). Five hundred mgs. of ascorbic acid daily can damage genetic material (DNA). (New York Times, April 8, 1998-quoting the journal Nature of the same month).

Medium avatar

(39831)

on March 15, 2011
at 05:30 PM

Great information; do you consider calcium ascorbate to be a viable source if coupled with various bioflavonoids, or is strictly sodium ascorbate that is worth taking?

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

(942)

on March 16, 2011
at 01:30 PM

Just to answer your Q: I think calcium ascorbate is a possible benefit, but I would be really careful to see where the company was sourcing it from.

Medium avatar

(39831)

on March 15, 2011
at 09:45 PM

Nevermind, I just ordered a couple bottles of the brand you recommend. It's pretty reasonably-priced as far as these things go, at least compared to my supermarket. Better ingredients too.

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60199d3a580a4e17969059609e48e678

on March 01, 2011
at 06:51 AM

I've never had this problem before. but I agree with Kate that its probably systematic and you should get your white blood cell count checked (too see if too high), and get your platelet count checked (to see if too low).

try using honey and cover it with a bandaid or even coconut oil. both have cell repairing properties and speed the healing of wounds.

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Bad3a78e228c67a7513c28f17c36b3cf

(1387)

on March 01, 2011
at 03:19 AM

You might want to get checked for a MRSA infection. We have dealt with this on and off for the last few years. Wounds that don't heal are symptomatic. Bacteria love sugar, so your diet might be preventing a serious infection from taking off. What really works for MRSA skin infections (and we tried everything, including antibiotics--hibiclens cleanser worked for a time, but eventually lost effectiveness) is a topical silver solution. You can buy a really expensive colloidal silver spray, or just buy one of the new silver disinfectant cleaning solutions composed of water, silver ions, and citric acid (stings a little bit--citric acid is the "bait" for the bacteria). Spray the affected area about 6 times a day. In about three days, the boil, "spider bite", or cut that just won't heal, will start to heal up. CVS also makes a bandage with colloidal silver that works great for small cuts. (Alas, they are frequently sold out).

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A895c96ac1ef1d2e5d8b59b4462c2b71

on March 01, 2011
at 02:30 AM

Never had that experience. Don't diabetics have that happen?

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