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HCG? This is news to me.

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Created October 19, 2011 at 8:29 PM

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In my posting on leptin reset, a number of people mentioned that they had lost copious amounts of weight on the HCG diet. I had never heard of it, and Googled it. To me, it sounds like junk science--a 500 cal. diet coupled with drops under the tongue? It sounds to me like starvation, but maybe there is something incredible about those drops. What's your take on this?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 25, 2011
at 12:00 AM

Most due have hier numbers of adipocytes as a rule. Its not axiomatic but generally true

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on October 24, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Glad to see that Paleo Hacks doesn't completely reside in the Twilight Zone.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 24, 2011
at 08:03 PM

if this is off topic, wouldn't that make all the other discussions of it OT too?

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on October 24, 2011
at 08:03 PM

"The "diet" portion of it is very strict, ultra low calorie, no processed foods and therefore has proven to be an excellent springboard for many to a healthier lifestyle" huh, maybe their results are because of the diet????

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:16 PM

My thoughts exactly!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:08 PM

http://www.songpoemmusic.com/cults/guru.htm

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Deep breaths Shari, tis bad for your cortisol levels.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on October 24, 2011
at 07:03 PM

"Dr. Jack"? I swear to GOD I'm going to open a vein...

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on October 20, 2011
at 08:18 PM

Hi Brad, If you're about the Paleo/LC/Ancestral web, there's a blogger named ItstheWoo who is leptin deficient. Based on her personal experience she seems to feel that all formerly obese are deficient, not resistant. The ob/ob mouse is leptin devoid, so this explains, IMO, a form of genetic obesity. Still, they sure aren't leptin resistant at this point!! I find the LR "criteria" overly broad and unsubstantiated. Rosedale says too much leptin causes LR, Jack disagrees with that I think ... or not ... difficult to pin him down with facts to back up assertions.

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on October 20, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Brad: Not if adipocyte hyperplasia has occurred.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on October 20, 2011
at 07:05 PM

I wondered about that too, CS. Does normalizing bodyfat levels, in and of itself, correct problems with leptin?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on October 20, 2011
at 06:56 PM

My question is why they need to reset ... they've lost a lot of weight. Are you saying HCG leaves folks reduced in fat mass but still leptin resistant?

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on October 20, 2011
at 06:48 PM

My reset is done after they are off their protocol. If you read their site you might see how they are using it. They have several stages but their major problems occur off protocol. That is where the Leptin Rx helps.

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on October 20, 2011
at 12:14 AM

I'd be more inclined to investigate further if the weight loss occurred without starving the participants on a 500 calorie diet. *Anyone* would lose weight if they only ate 500 calories a day. Good luck maintaining that, though.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 19, 2011
at 11:38 PM

We've talked about HCG before. It never goes well and seems to bring in tons of HCG cheerleaders who want to argue about the "science" of it all.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 19, 2011
at 11:36 PM

I know of hundreds of people who lost weight on starvation diets too. They all gained it back and then some but at least they didn't have to shell out for the voodoo drops or shots. Sorry but this is just a fantasy.

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on October 19, 2011
at 11:33 PM

"Although researchers have studied the HCG diet for years, no high-quality studies have shown that the hormone itself helps weight loss." http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hcg-diet/AN02091

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 19, 2011
at 11:30 PM

It is starvation and the only thing incredible about the drops is their incredible ability to separate dollars from the participants' wallets.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

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on October 19, 2011
at 10:53 PM

Why the facepalm? I think that if suddenly there is an influx of multiple people on these boards touting a certain WOE, then it's legit to at least ASK about it. Sheesh.

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on October 19, 2011
at 09:13 PM

*sigh + *facepalm.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 19, 2011
at 08:56 PM

No scientific support for any purported benefit. It's just ultralow calories with what amounts to be placebo.

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:13 PM

I understand the frustration lots of people have with questions like "Is this paleo" or "Is that paleo", to the point that the concept of something being paleo or not is anathema to them, but injecting pregnancy hormones in an attempt to lose weight is about as far from what the paleo community is about as I can imagine.

If it was shown that eating Doritos and Mountain Dew all day reset your body's leptin sensitivity, then great, but wouldn't that be well outside the subject this board is meant to serve?

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on October 24, 2011
at 08:04 PM

Glad to see that Paleo Hacks doesn't completely reside in the Twilight Zone.

24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:16 PM

My thoughts exactly!

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24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:21 PM

I don't think hcg seems like a good diet, & agree that it seems like starvation, and I also don't think it has anything to do with ancestral diets. I agree with trjones that it's outside the scope of this site.

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24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on October 20, 2011
at 05:46 PM

I'm puzzled by the number of Leptin Resetters who've used HCG. They've all lost bonkers amounts of weight according to testimony, and yet how does a 500 cal/day protocol work when Kruse contends that IF is counterproductive? You almost have to be IF to do HCG ... unless you're not eating enough to elicit a "fed" response at all I suppose. In any case, NOW they need to reset their leptin? I don't get it.

I suppose Jack welcoming them into the fold might explain the influx of HCG'ers with miraculous Leptin Reset testimonials: http://jackkruse.com/what-should-hcgpaleo-users-consider-as-adjuncts/

This blog is not about to discuss whether or not the diet is ???total WOO WOO??? or not. As a practicing physician, my job is to take care of patients with what they bring to me as they walk through my clinic door. Many of my own patients in Nashville have confided to me that they too decided to give HCG a whirl before they came to see me. In fact , one of my family members, who is a healthcare practioner, now works with a group of physicians who use the HCG diet in their practice. I get many questions from that group of physicians as well. I get asked tons of questions by the lay public and my referral docs about the diet and what I think about it. Recently, I even spoke to a group of ICU nurses in a local hospital about the diet???s pro???s and con???s. My job as a physician is to listen to my patients and then treat them in the best fashion possible. When a person comes to me overweight or with a smoking history I do not ostracize them and refuse to treat them because they maybe impacting their health in a detrimental way. I look at HCG in the same light. People who opt for HCG have usually struggled with obesity and body composition issues for a long time. They want help and are ready to change. These characteristics make them favorite patients because they are ready for real change to occur.

Sounds like HCG is a little like being a smoker ... e.g. not good for you.

I was all set to go to a renowned hormonal doc in NYC until I saw her on TV discussing this diet and going into the supposed hormonal workings of it. Canceled as soon as the office opened.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 20, 2011
at 06:48 PM

My reset is done after they are off their protocol. If you read their site you might see how they are using it. They have several stages but their major problems occur off protocol. That is where the Leptin Rx helps.

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(39831)

on October 20, 2011
at 07:24 PM

Brad: Not if adipocyte hyperplasia has occurred.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on October 20, 2011
at 07:05 PM

I wondered about that too, CS. Does normalizing bodyfat levels, in and of itself, correct problems with leptin?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on October 20, 2011
at 06:56 PM

My question is why they need to reset ... they've lost a lot of weight. Are you saying HCG leaves folks reduced in fat mass but still leptin resistant?

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on October 20, 2011
at 08:18 PM

Hi Brad, If you're about the Paleo/LC/Ancestral web, there's a blogger named ItstheWoo who is leptin deficient. Based on her personal experience she seems to feel that all formerly obese are deficient, not resistant. The ob/ob mouse is leptin devoid, so this explains, IMO, a form of genetic obesity. Still, they sure aren't leptin resistant at this point!! I find the LR "criteria" overly broad and unsubstantiated. Rosedale says too much leptin causes LR, Jack disagrees with that I think ... or not ... difficult to pin him down with facts to back up assertions.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on October 25, 2011
at 12:00 AM

Most due have hier numbers of adipocytes as a rule. Its not axiomatic but generally true

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on October 19, 2011
at 09:24 PM

Can't get scientific support if you don't do a proper study. hcg is a hormone, as is insulin, grehlin, leptin, thyroid, estrogen, testosterone, etc... One thing we do know now, is that obesity effects hormone levels and hormone levels affect adipose levels.

I know hundreds from the hcg dieter forum who have lost weight using hcg, not always sublingualy, sometimes with injections. The "diet" portion of it is very strict, ultra low calorie, no processed foods and therefore has proven to be an excellent springboard for many to a healthier lifestyle. The hcg dieter community has members who have lost up to 200 lbs through this method. Although, we've had at least two members who were on doctor prescribed hcg not for weight loss, but because they weren't producing the proper testosterone levels. Before hcg, they were round and soft, afterwards they were lean and muscular.

My take on it is that it matters not what someone else thinks of it, rather, what are the actual results? I know from first and second hand experience, that it works. It takes a huge commitment, motivation and lifestyle change to do it, something those of us with 50 to 150 lbs to lose have been accused of lacking. It's nice to prove that is not the case.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 19, 2011
at 11:33 PM

"Although researchers have studied the HCG diet for years, no high-quality studies have shown that the hormone itself helps weight loss." http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hcg-diet/AN02091

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

(7223)

on October 20, 2011
at 12:14 AM

I'd be more inclined to investigate further if the weight loss occurred without starving the participants on a 500 calorie diet. *Anyone* would lose weight if they only ate 500 calories a day. Good luck maintaining that, though.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on October 19, 2011
at 11:36 PM

I know of hundreds of people who lost weight on starvation diets too. They all gained it back and then some but at least they didn't have to shell out for the voodoo drops or shots. Sorry but this is just a fantasy.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on October 24, 2011
at 08:03 PM

"The "diet" portion of it is very strict, ultra low calorie, no processed foods and therefore has proven to be an excellent springboard for many to a healthier lifestyle" huh, maybe their results are because of the diet????

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on October 24, 2011
at 06:49 PM

Having lost a bunch on HCG I can respond to why we might "need to reset" after losing weight. You see, most of us who use it to lose "copious amounts" were Leptin Resistant prior to using HCG and this is a primary reason we gained, we are discovering by studying Dr. Kruse's blog. Losing weight doesn't change that and losing weight, alone, is not what the reset is about. It's about becoming healthy for the first time in our lives.

You can be uderweight and be Leptin Resistant.

As Dr. Jack teaches with intense biochemistry detail, each organ in our body has Leptin receptors. If those cells are resistant then those organs don't function well. That opens the door to all manner of disease.

When we lose while on HCG, all is well and we are very happy; but many have difficulty keeping the weight off after the loss without extreme low carb eating and living without even good Paleo food starches. For some, that doesn't even work well. The Leptin RX is fixing that problem for many of us! It's real!

BTW, you can be "leptin deficient" or have lots of leptin in your body as shown by labs, but that is meaningless. If you are "resistant" your body won't use any amount of the Leptin to unlock the receptors to keep your metabolism running correctly and let your hormones convert what they are required to convert for optimal living.

And, if a a morbidly obese person losing weight (which is what happens for everyone I've known who do the protocol correctly) is bad for you, then you are right: HCG is bad for you!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on October 24, 2011
at 07:03 PM

"Dr. Jack"? I swear to GOD I'm going to open a vein...

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19235)

on October 24, 2011
at 07:06 PM

Deep breaths Shari, tis bad for your cortisol levels.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on October 24, 2011
at 07:08 PM

http://www.songpoemmusic.com/cults/guru.htm

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on October 20, 2011
at 04:51 PM

It is definitely reasonable to question the protocols of the HCG Diet per se. Even so, HCG has known fat-mobilizing agency so I wonder whether it might be a useful adjunct in fat loss diets with higher caloric values and exercise. For instance, HCG to facilitate a cutting IF diet? Still, it would be hard to know for sure about HCG impact, how to separate from other variables.

For sure, Nature ensures that gaining fat is easier than losing fat. Being and/or looking "lean" didn't have much survival value.

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