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Becoming a Man?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 29, 2012 at 4:35 PM

I looked quite feminine in the past. As soon as someone would get angry, I would get afraid, stressed out, and weak??. At every pimple I got, I would panic like crazy. On my fruitarian days, I would start to cry with every bad news I got. Low-carb paleo helped me tremendously, and when transitioning to high-carb paleo I improved even more, especially when getting a lot of sun exposure.

I'm not saying I've become a man (I'm still a pussy), but I'm growing hair at places I never had hair before, my facial hair is longer than it has ever been (though still very very short), and best of all : I have the I-don't-care attitude. Tomorrow I've gotta present something before a group of people, and I didn't even prepare it (I'll update this post if I fail big time though).

Who else has experienced this transition from feminine to masculine (or the other way around)? And what are the limits to this? Will I ever grow a full beard, will I ever have chest hair, will I ever be able to remain cool even if someone gets really really angry at me, will I ever say things out loud in a classroom?


I'm not trying to say women are afraid, weak, stressed, ... I'm trying to point out that I was far from a masculine Grok back then. It's a bit hard to explain this without stepping on toes.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 30, 2012
at 03:40 PM

If excess estrogen is a concern,(and it should be for all modern humans),experiment with a little DIM or better yet, check out the Quilt's Cold thermogenis protocol. Sitting in the tub or using a square yard of ice gel has been great for gym/bedroom. Jack claims the cold detoxes estrogen. I'm a believer. The results are instantaneous and just build with time and intensity.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on April 30, 2012
at 09:24 AM

And why are feminist acitivists in this thread in the first place? This is not about you (women).

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

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on April 29, 2012
at 10:50 PM

I think you would have had better success if you'd split this question into two: 1. Will Paleo give me muscles and body hair? 2. Will Paleo help my nervous disposition? I'd also encourage you not to aspire to being a boring gender stereotype :). In any case, you could just as easily say that women are supposed to be better at social interactions, so by doing a good presentation and being more socially at ease you're becoming a woman. Oh no!!

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:59 PM

Misogyny is quite a strong word to use. If you want to see negative things, you'll find them. But seriously, this was not what I wanted to achieve.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 29, 2012
at 07:55 PM

A very good example of this : last year, on my fruitarian diet, when I went to the supermarket, people called me madam. I swear. A couple months after I started doing paleo, everybody called me sir. Not "young man", like they used to do, or "madam" (which annoyed the heck out of me), but "sir". This is what made me ask this question.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 29, 2012
at 07:54 PM

I think you understood what I meant, and believe me : I didn't want to describe women as pussies, I'm not sure how offensive that word is for you Americans, I just couldn't find any other word to be honest. My vocabulary is very limited :)

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 29, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Thanks Lisa, that's an extremely kind answer, I think I didn't choose my words right, so I understand that some people got offended :). I'd get offended if someone would use male and weak, stressed, ... in the same sentence too, but I'm not sure how I could ask my question without stepping on toes. My edit didn't help :D.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:51 PM

I was thinking more about estrogen, by the way.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Okay, too bad I didn't do a blood test. Thanks!

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 29, 2012
at 07:49 PM

I never said that women are like that, I said I was like that. My point was : I looked like a women *and* I am weak, afraid, ... The first part says I was feminine, the second part says I was not a man. I still am not a man, but you obviously just *wanted* to take it the wrong way. English is not my native language (far from it), and talking about hormones with a limited vocabulary is hard, especially if you don't want to step on toes.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:43 PM

No, not at all. I look normal now, but I always had that slight feminine look. A bit androgyn, if you want. I had curly eyelashes when I was very young, for example. And bigger lips than most men have.

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on April 29, 2012
at 06:34 PM

The majority of men have more upper body strength than the majority of women, but conversely, the women can have more lower body strength than many men. Talk to your personal lifting coach about this. :) The OP's post however appears to be about what I'd call "social anxiety" more than anything else.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on April 29, 2012
at 06:00 PM

No kidding. Misogyny is alive and well and living in the paleosphere.

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:36 PM

No worries! I wasn't offended. I think men tend to be physically stronger than women, but I don't see a connection to personality or emotions.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:15 PM

Sorry, I shouldn't have said that. Especially since lots of women have stronger personalities than mine. But you can't deny a man should be stronger than a woman. I don't see a lot of muscular women around. My stereotypical representation of a woman will probably annoy some people. I'll edit it.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Then, good luck! Just don't call yourself a lady part when you are insinuating you can be weak... as a possessor of said lady part, I know that I can have it and be strong still. Knock 'em dead tomorrow.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

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on April 29, 2012
at 04:59 PM

I don't really care what all women / men think ;). But I think not preparing for presentation is a great idea, though! Last time I did that the teacher gave a 10 minute speech on how well I did, and when I did prepare a whole presentation he said I sucked because it was so clear I learned it by heart. We'll see though :) It's not a big deal, it's a small course.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

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on April 29, 2012
at 04:44 PM

Increased confidence = good. Not preparing for presentations = not good. You sound like you are gaining confidence, which is good, but don't be so quick to disparage your "old" self. Not all women / men like someone with an "I don't care" attitude. Sounds like you are doing well, though, so congratulations!

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9c1cd9f1b8aa1a5577b2e8202ba9658e

on April 29, 2012
at 05:13 PM

Alright so being afraid, being weak, crying, freaking out about acne, etc. are feminine qualities/qualities that identify one as a woman?? Someone must've forgot to send me my testicles because I don't do any of those.

Winner.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:59 PM

Misogyny is quite a strong word to use. If you want to see negative things, you'll find them. But seriously, this was not what I wanted to achieve.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on April 30, 2012
at 09:24 AM

And why are feminist acitivists in this thread in the first place? This is not about you (women).

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on April 29, 2012
at 06:00 PM

No kidding. Misogyny is alive and well and living in the paleosphere.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:49 PM

I never said that women are like that, I said I was like that. My point was : I looked like a women *and* I am weak, afraid, ... The first part says I was feminine, the second part says I was not a man. I still am not a man, but you obviously just *wanted* to take it the wrong way. English is not my native language (far from it), and talking about hormones with a limited vocabulary is hard, especially if you don't want to step on toes.

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F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:24 PM

ha ha ha, i don't think this is an offensive question. High grain diet increases body fat which increases estrogen. It's been said before that Paleo helps balance hormones in men and women for better health. Good luck. Keep up the good work.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Thanks Lisa, that's an extremely kind answer, I think I didn't choose my words right, so I understand that some people got offended :). I'd get offended if someone would use male and weak, stressed, ... in the same sentence too, but I'm not sure how I could ask my question without stepping on toes. My edit didn't help :D.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:23 PM

You are under the impression that it is a female/male, low testosterone/high testosterone change. That may be part of it, but I propose that many of your old symptoms were cortisol related. The paleo diet improves both hormone levels.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:51 PM

I was thinking more about estrogen, by the way.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:50 PM

Okay, too bad I didn't do a blood test. Thanks!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 30, 2012
at 03:40 PM

If excess estrogen is a concern,(and it should be for all modern humans),experiment with a little DIM or better yet, check out the Quilt's Cold thermogenis protocol. Sitting in the tub or using a square yard of ice gel has been great for gym/bedroom. Jack claims the cold detoxes estrogen. I'm a believer. The results are instantaneous and just build with time and intensity.

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D117467bf8e8472464ece2b81509606c

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:49 PM

I've noticed something like 3 medium-length strands of hair growing in the middle of my chest ever since I started Paleo (never had any chest hair before)... but my eyelashes are also looking longer and thicker so my eyes are looking kinda girly.

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A9fa2bf11cf5f32d5195d677ff2af197

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on April 29, 2012
at 07:41 PM

Are you transgender? Just curious, you sound like you might be. As in born biologically female and medically transitioning to male. If that's the case this diet will most likely help you. Actually are there any studies are paleo and injected hormones? I'd like to know

If you don't want to give yourself away don't refer to yourself in such disparaging terms. There is nothing masculine about that and it doesn't make you cool or interesting. First step to becoming a man is to project confidence even if you don't feel it inside.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:55 PM

A very good example of this : last year, on my fruitarian diet, when I went to the supermarket, people called me madam. I swear. A couple months after I started doing paleo, everybody called me sir. Not "young man", like they used to do, or "madam" (which annoyed the heck out of me), but "sir". This is what made me ask this question.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:43 PM

No, not at all. I look normal now, but I always had that slight feminine look. A bit androgyn, if you want. I had curly eyelashes when I was very young, for example. And bigger lips than most men have.

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E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

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on April 29, 2012
at 05:55 PM

Hey, I don't blame a male for wanting to look more masculine instead of feminine! I'd rather look super-feminine myself than have any masculine physical traits, but it doesn't mean I don't find guys attractive, or that I disparage masculinity in general.

A paleo diet does balance hormones -- a lot of women report fat redistributing to their breasts and hips and away from their waists (resulting in a more exaggeratedly feminine silhouette), and some women with PCOS who struggle with facial hair find it diminishing or going away entirely after a while on a paleo diet. It makes sense that a man could expect some hormone-balancing effects too, which might increase a "masculine" appearance.

But I gotta agree with Marcy above -- just because you don't want to look feminine doesn't mean you have to use the word "pussy" as a synonym for weakness!

Good luck with your presentation.

685e3c967e63b4eacccf02628fd9a3ac

(1026)

on April 29, 2012
at 07:54 PM

I think you understood what I meant, and believe me : I didn't want to describe women as pussies, I'm not sure how offensive that word is for you Americans, I just couldn't find any other word to be honest. My vocabulary is very limited :)

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