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What is SIBO? What is leaky gut? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH ME!!

Answered on July 24, 2017
Created June 11, 2012 at 5:55 PM

I have a couple of food allergies (tomatoes, kidney beans), several environmental allergies which manifest as rashes (dog allergy, oil paint which sucks cause I'm going to art school next year) and sometimes experience bloating. Also took antibiotics last year for two months.

I've been paleo for 2 months and 'candida diet' (paleo, minus fatty meats, +oat bran and buckwheat) for 5 months before that.

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on March 28, 2013
at 02:47 AM

My problem is with a certain RD above, so maybe I misspoke. Bastyr has a 2 year upper division program to grant RD's, but I can't find the lower division requirements. Still, it looks like the training that allows someone to diagnose food chunks in the bloodstream and sell Rifaximin as a cure for leaky gut is 2 year RD training. Schools like Mayo and Johns Hopkins aren't ACEND accredited; for the RD you need to go to a school like Bastyr.

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on March 28, 2013
at 02:24 AM

Rifaximin is used as a diarrhea treatment. It only has 11% better efficacy than a placebo. WTF would it need to be administered by a naturopath? Would that make it as effective as pixie dust for fixing leaky gut? Unbelievable how brazen the supplement peddlers are, preying on people's misery.

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on March 27, 2013
at 10:00 PM

While we are being specific here, I thought ND was a 5 year degree at Bastyr. Nutritionist is a 2 year degree there.

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on March 27, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Mainstream medicine includes a phalanx of practicing and research gastroenterologists. SIBO, celiac, IBS are diagnosed and treated. You can't treat something non-specific though. If a practicing GI doctor hasn't got a clue, why would someone believe that a naturopath with a handful of supplements and a 2 year degree from Bastyr knows what to do?

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on March 27, 2013
at 08:59 PM

Well. "Large undigested food particles" I don't believe -- if that's actually happening I would estimate your life expectancy to be measured in minutes. However I think most people use "leaky gut" as a non-specific name for all kinds of issues with food breakdown and absorption in the GI tract. There are many different issues, most of them are poorly understood and rarely diagnosed, and since it's hard to get a handle on them the mainstream medicine rarely bothers.

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on March 27, 2013
at 08:50 PM

We're still waiting Lindy....lucky the naturopaths are so much smarter than regular docs....

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on March 27, 2013
at 07:48 PM

So glutamine is like magic thread to fix the damage done by the evil Hannibal Lectin and his cohort gluten boy? LOLOL supplements to the rescue! Man the phones for those incoming credit card numbers!

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on March 27, 2013
at 07:33 PM

Large undigested food particles enter the bloodstream???? Show us the references.

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:52 PM

lifestream.....

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:09 PM

what brand of digestive enzymes do you take?

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on June 12, 2012
at 04:07 PM

coconut oil is not an herbal antiobiotic although it does have antimicrobial properties. It is best to consult with a naturopathic doctor or healthcare practionner to use herbal antibiotics correctly. The best way to know if fruits and carbs are causing problems is to stop them completely for 2-3 weeks. If you see an improvement, it will be a good sign!

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on June 12, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Thanks for the reply! I still eat fruit and some carbohydrates and I'm not sure whether all of it is digested well, so the bacteria might still feed on that. Is it harmful to use herbal antibiotics? If not, can I just take some garlic and oregano for a while and will that do the trick or is there more to it than just that? By the way, I've also been taking coconut oil for a while, I thought that's supposed to be antibiotic too, but it doesn't seem to be on the herbal antibiotics list on siboinfo.com.

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on June 12, 2012
at 02:44 PM

THere is no real scientific evidence for the diet-alone approach, but plenty of anecdotal evidence. I was diagnosed myself with SIBO and treated myself mostly with diet, although I also used a little bit of herbal antiobiotics in the first month.

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on June 12, 2012
at 01:07 PM

Is it possible to treat SIBO (I don't know whether I have it or not, but it seems possible) by diet alone (very little sugar so that the bacteria don't have any food; I'm following a GAPS-type diet) or are real antibiotics (Rifaximin or herbal) always required?

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on June 11, 2012
at 07:08 PM

I work with a lot of clients that deal with this issue, and I have dealt with it myself... I am happy to help other people better understand it so they can get better!

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on June 11, 2012
at 06:34 PM

Thanks for such a detailed answer.

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E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on June 11, 2012
at 06:02 PM

SIBO is an overgrowth of bacteria in your small intestines. It is a common of IBS and digestive problems like bloating, gas, abdominal pain, diarrhea and constipation by fermenting any types of carbohydrates you eat (starches and sugars).

In addition, SIBO is often associated with a leaky gut. If your gut is leaky, it will let large undigested food particles in your bloodstream, causing systemic symptoms such as skin rash, headaches, joint pain, autoimmune disorders, etc. Leaky gut is a common cause of food intolerances.

Correcting the bacterial overgrowth and healing & sealing your leaky gut should help you feel a lot better. Specific antibiotics (Rifaximin) or herbal antibiotics (under a naturopathic doctor's supervision) can be used to speed up the treatment of SIBO. The GAPS diet is a good nutrition approach to follow to prevent recurrence, heal and seal your gut.

You can find more info on siboinfo.com and here.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 11, 2012
at 06:34 PM

Thanks for such a detailed answer.

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on June 11, 2012
at 07:08 PM

I work with a lot of clients that deal with this issue, and I have dealt with it myself... I am happy to help other people better understand it so they can get better!

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on June 12, 2012
at 02:44 PM

THere is no real scientific evidence for the diet-alone approach, but plenty of anecdotal evidence. I was diagnosed myself with SIBO and treated myself mostly with diet, although I also used a little bit of herbal antiobiotics in the first month.

1e443a3241f80129faa05125ce346e47

(734)

on June 12, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Thanks for the reply! I still eat fruit and some carbohydrates and I'm not sure whether all of it is digested well, so the bacteria might still feed on that. Is it harmful to use herbal antibiotics? If not, can I just take some garlic and oregano for a while and will that do the trick or is there more to it than just that? By the way, I've also been taking coconut oil for a while, I thought that's supposed to be antibiotic too, but it doesn't seem to be on the herbal antibiotics list on siboinfo.com.

E12ead3bf63c94b5b619b03722ef554f

on June 12, 2012
at 04:07 PM

coconut oil is not an herbal antiobiotic although it does have antimicrobial properties. It is best to consult with a naturopathic doctor or healthcare practionner to use herbal antibiotics correctly. The best way to know if fruits and carbs are causing problems is to stop them completely for 2-3 weeks. If you see an improvement, it will be a good sign!

1e443a3241f80129faa05125ce346e47

(734)

on June 12, 2012
at 01:07 PM

Is it possible to treat SIBO (I don't know whether I have it or not, but it seems possible) by diet alone (very little sugar so that the bacteria don't have any food; I'm following a GAPS-type diet) or are real antibiotics (Rifaximin or herbal) always required?

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 28, 2013
at 02:24 AM

Rifaximin is used as a diarrhea treatment. It only has 11% better efficacy than a placebo. WTF would it need to be administered by a naturopath? Would that make it as effective as pixie dust for fixing leaky gut? Unbelievable how brazen the supplement peddlers are, preying on people's misery.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 27, 2013
at 07:33 PM

Large undigested food particles enter the bloodstream???? Show us the references.

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on July 24, 2017
at 03:12 PM

Hey guys,

My name is Josh and I have a ton of experience living with SIBO-IBS as well as treating it and the latest research and information on the best ways to go about It is definitely a frustrating intestinal condition and takes a lot of detective work and experimentation to find the right protocol and support system to beat it. I decided to create a website with the best information on SIBO since working with a few of the top doctors and struggilng with it myself. I think the resource could help a lot of people. I linked to it in my profile so check it out if you need help understanding, treating, and preventing SIBO. You can also search SIBO Survivor as that is the name of the site. 

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on December 16, 2016
at 12:44 AM

Leaky gut is another term for 'increased intestinal permeability'. It can allow substances through that aren't supposed to get through. There's plenty of research especially related to coeliac disease but it's in it's infancy and the human microbiota (good and bad, overgrown or undergrown, bacteria/ yeast in your guts) is considered the last discovered organ. SCD (& its offshoot GAPs) is probably the diet with the longest history of working - SCD was used for coeliac before they knew what it was - so they were treating all sorts of problems with it, and it worked. 

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on May 09, 2013
at 02:30 PM

Informational blog for people suffering from stomach disorders or general stomach problems. digestion help, stomach help, IBS, SIBO, stomach support.

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on March 27, 2013
at 07:44 PM

I'll bring this back up to the surface because all I see is naturopathic ducking and weaving around leaky gut. Someone, please direct us to the peer-reviewed literature that shows us ONE leaky gut. When I read about large undigested food particles entering the bloodstream I want the analysis of said food particles. Are they meat chunks? Undigested bits of gruel? If this is a REAL phenomena it will have been vetted by NEJM and JAMA.

Until such evidence appears, I consign leaky gut to the realms of Roswell and The Twilight Zone.

Edit: googling JAMA, Mayo and NEJM produced no articles on leaky gut. The best I could get was from webmd:

“We don’t know a lot but we know that it exists,” says Linda A. Lee, MD, a gastroenterologist and director of the Johns Hopkins Integrative Medicine and Digestive Center. “In the absence of evidence, we don’t know what it means or what therapies can directly address it.”

This is not getting us anywhere useful. No measurements, no therapies. Worst of all, NO EVIDENCE, which means that Johns Hopkins cannot show us a leaky gut by any known analytical method. It's a perfect set-up for faith healers, quacks and supplement salesmen. They can promote any kind of therapy good, bad or indifferent because there's no way to quantitatively check their work.

800e726cb5dff569fd8edf604c3e2793

(1655)

on March 27, 2013
at 08:59 PM

Well. "Large undigested food particles" I don't believe -- if that's actually happening I would estimate your life expectancy to be measured in minutes. However I think most people use "leaky gut" as a non-specific name for all kinds of issues with food breakdown and absorption in the GI tract. There are many different issues, most of them are poorly understood and rarely diagnosed, and since it's hard to get a handle on them the mainstream medicine rarely bothers.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on March 27, 2013
at 10:00 PM

While we are being specific here, I thought ND was a 5 year degree at Bastyr. Nutritionist is a 2 year degree there.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 28, 2013
at 02:47 AM

My problem is with a certain RD above, so maybe I misspoke. Bastyr has a 2 year upper division program to grant RD's, but I can't find the lower division requirements. Still, it looks like the training that allows someone to diagnose food chunks in the bloodstream and sell Rifaximin as a cure for leaky gut is 2 year RD training. Schools like Mayo and Johns Hopkins aren't ACEND accredited; for the RD you need to go to a school like Bastyr.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on March 27, 2013
at 09:25 PM

Mainstream medicine includes a phalanx of practicing and research gastroenterologists. SIBO, celiac, IBS are diagnosed and treated. You can't treat something non-specific though. If a practicing GI doctor hasn't got a clue, why would someone believe that a naturopath with a handful of supplements and a 2 year degree from Bastyr knows what to do?

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on June 12, 2012
at 12:10 PM

I'm actually doing a SIBO home test right at this moment. I'm trying to address my autoimmune condition Ankylosing Spondylitis which has lots of digestive complications. I'll report back when I get my results and if I start on any antibiotic protocol.

Not many people have gone through this testing yet, but it looks promising with new research:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120525103354.htm

My naturopath said the regular docs should know about this very soon - within the next 2 years.

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on March 27, 2013
at 08:50 PM

We're still waiting Lindy....lucky the naturopaths are so much smarter than regular docs....

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on June 12, 2012
at 03:32 AM

Additional useful strategies - low carb Paleo, the specific carbohydrate diet, the fodmap diet all have good foods to eliminate that may ferment and feed the beasties.

GAPS is more or less based on specific carbohydrate.

I beleive the inclusion of honey and sugar in some of these diets is a big mistake (its not allowed in all of them). Sugar of any form is the number one food for bacteria, hence why eliminating fodmaps, lowering carbs, avoiding certain carbs, etc works in the first place.

I am personally using all three for my SIBO, and IBS. (paleo, SCD, fodmap). I would at least have a look at them all (paleo, SCD, maps, fodmap) as they all contain ideas on foods to eliminate. Maps also includes bone broth to help gut healing. Its not something ive tried yet. All these diets have some proven success.

I take glutamine, which helps the mucosa (lining) of your gut heal, fixing leacky gut (glutamine is proven to help gut repair). And I also use digestive enzymes - why? because its breaks down the food I eat before the bacteria have a chance to get at it. (Enzymes are proven to reduce symptoms in IBS)

I am also correcting my omega 6 and 3 balance, with fish oil, and by eliminating high omega six foods such as unnaturally fed meats, plant oils and nuts, as overly inflammatory foods cant help.

Hope that also helps!

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:09 PM

what brand of digestive enzymes do you take?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on November 01, 2012
at 11:52 PM

lifestream.....

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on March 27, 2013
at 07:48 PM

So glutamine is like magic thread to fix the damage done by the evil Hannibal Lectin and his cohort gluten boy? LOLOL supplements to the rescue! Man the phones for those incoming credit card numbers!

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