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STRICT PALEO - 38 DAYS - FEEL LIKE SH*T!!!

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created September 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I have been strict PALEO for 38 days, and I started it after a 15 day master cleanse. The master cleanse was 15 days of only water, lemon juice, cayenne pepper, and coconut nectar, no food or beverage at all for those 15 days. This was my 3rd cleans in 18 months.

Since starting, I have been eating only grass fed beef, sugar free, nitrate free bacon (not a lot), fruit, veggies, lots of carrots, Steves Paleo Kits are a staple, as are the Paleo Crunch Bars. I eat sunflower seeds, raw, and unsalted, and spaghetti squash, as well as lots of water and some almonds.

My gut has been rumbling since almost day one, so I tried a pro-biotic, that just made the diarrhea more predictable. The pro-biotic was seaweed based, and organic, so not fillers, or non paleo ingredients.

I have not cheated one time, so zero wheat, zero dairy, no additives, only pure clean food, yet I feel like crap almost all the time.

I do feel it???s a balance thing, but cant figure out what it is. I have tried knocking out the almonds, the pro-biotic, and went days without tree nuts, yet its the same. For only 2 of the last 38 days, I had constipation, otherwise, I just plain feel like crap ALL THE TIME, and have gas 24/7, usually is deadly for anyone else in the vacinity, EVEN WHEN IM OUTSIDE. It cant be this uncomfortable to be Paleo.

I read everywhere, every post, answer, theory and the like, yet no one really comes out and says, when you go on Paleo, you ........, so be aware. Maybe that statement does not exist, but I need some help bad.

Thank you.

For more Paleo Diet hacks: Strict Paleo = Constipation/Diarrhea , Re-introduction to wheat/gluten = abdominal pain - PaleoHacks.com http://paleohacks.com/questions/142997/strict-paleo-constipation-diarrhea-re-introduction-to-wheat-gluten-abdomina#ixzz26aWVlNfL

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 22, 2012
at 09:13 PM

They already have their own site http://peatarian.com/

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 21, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I dont snack at all. I eat closer than 5 hours, basically, when I am hungry, I eat, but I dont cheat at all, so I am ok with eating when I want. With that said, I found that it was the seeds I was eating. I pulled those from my diet, and bang, I feel awesome 2 days later. I tried 2 days after I quit to eat some, and the next day and a half, I felt like crap again, and have not had any since, so I am just about back to normal. I am lucky that I am able to identify the issues so quickly. Thanks for your comments.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

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on September 21, 2012
at 03:38 AM

It makes sence, and I was thinking it may be something like that (masking), but didnt know enough to figure it out. Thanks brother

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 21, 2012
at 03:36 AM

Thanks Happy Now, I will have to look up how to make some of these goods. I dont crave a whole lot of sweets, and if I do, I just eat some Paleo Meenut Butter. If you havent had it, you must. The almond mile tapico custard sounds good.

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on September 21, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Can I just say I wish the Ray Peat fans would just go to Danny's site and start a Hack/Forum? The constant nay saying and tossing our ridiculous accusations like the above is really old. At least to me.

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

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on September 21, 2012
at 12:13 AM

I used to do it twice a year, I am never doing it again cause I lose a lot of muscle mass :/ but now that I found paleo, I am eating clean anyway so no need to do extra detox, if i want to detox will do a little IF with water :D

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

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on September 20, 2012
at 09:14 PM

Glad to hear, well I doubt your body ever handle nuts well... I am gonna try to explain this, or this is what I think what is happening...an example: Some people when they stop ingesting gluten may get constipated, and they think to themselves maybe the gluten or extra fiber (from the gluten source) kept them regular, in actually what is possibly happening is that there is an allergic reaction that caused them to have "pre-diarrhea" but was still solid and they interpreted that as "regular"? Does that make sense? I suck at explaining things, it sounded better in my head lol

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on September 20, 2012
at 07:25 AM

I also forgot to mention up there, that pumpkin is awesome for getting your gut back on line. And coconut and bananas are nature's pepto. If the diarrhea is bumming you out, macaroons are good for stopping things up.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 20, 2012
at 07:22 AM

If you are dairy-free you can make something like tapioca pudding with the little balls of it in a coconut or almond milk based custard. You can also make your own bubble tea with the larger balls. I often use a bit of tapioca flour as a thickener for soups, sauces, or fruit sauces the way recipes would normally use corn starch or flour. If you venture into gluten-free baking at all, it is a common flour substitute, and is really good in crepes and pancakes.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:03 AM

Robert, Without question, I stopped the seeds and the Paleo Crucch, and in 2 days, I felt awesome. Yesterday, I ate more seeds, and today, feel like shat. I take it I cant eat seeds? The odd thing is that I ate seeds with no problem before I went Paleo. Thanks all for your help.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:02 AM

Robert, Without question, I stopped the seeds and the Paleo Crucch, and in 2 days, I felt awesome. Yesterday, I ate more seeds, and today, feel like shat. I take it I cant eat seeds? The odd thing is that I ate seeds with no problem before I went Paleo. Thanks all for your help.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:01 AM

Happy Now, how do you prepare Tapioca for Paleo?

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:01 AM

Jamie, Without question, I stopped the seeds and the Paleo Crucch, and in 2 days, I felt awesome. Yesterday, I ate more seeds, and today, feel like shat. I take it I cant eat seeds? The odd thing is that I ate seeds with no problem before I went Paleo. Thanks all for your help.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 17, 2012
at 02:40 AM

Cooked plantains, parsnips, rutabegas, turnips, are other paleo approved starch and root options too. Tapioca itself is from cassava and pretty darn paleo. Fewer and fewer in the paleosphere are considering potatoes to be on the forbidden foods list too. Root vegetables are extremely paleo. I think you'll get the most bang for your buck for healing your gut lining with soups based on bone broth, and adding gelatin or l-glutamine to your regimen. If for some reason the diarrhea doesn't stop, don't hesitate to get a stool workup at your doctor to rule out a c-difficile bacterial overgrowth.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 17, 2012
at 01:57 AM

that's not the purpose of GAPs or FODMAPs. I never saw any paper on FODMAPs that said stuff about some nebulous toxins.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 17, 2012
at 01:50 AM

Alot of people do get issues from seeds and nuts. You might have leaky gut if thats you. Best cure for that is bone broth/stock. I guess the real question is what are the major changes in your diet. If you could edit the above, and list all the things your suddenly eating more of, that might narrow things down...

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on September 17, 2012
at 01:47 AM

I wonder have you increased fat recently, and perhaps have fatty stools? Could be you have some minor gallbladder issue, especially if you used to eat low fat. I think the bacteria thing is also a good angle, different foods cause changes in your balance of gut bacteria and stuff that causes massive diarehha will mess with it too. Maybe try some homemade kefir?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 17, 2012
at 01:39 AM

Sure that high when fasting wasnt a dip in blood sugar?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on September 16, 2012
at 08:04 PM

There is no scientific evidence that GAPS and FODMAPS cleanses anyone of anything either... Obviously the op feels like crap, more crappy than before, so maybe the paleo diet isn't working for him? Or is that impossible :D?

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 05:42 PM

oh man, I am just giving you my view, I understand what you feel my food pool get smaller the more I read, its just the little OCD in me. All my favorite foods I can no longer have. I carry plastic spoons/knives in my car. and my quick foods is avocado, calorie dense fatty avocado. and/or wild caught sardines in olive oil. I leave a can or two in my car. I know my problem with food as I think I see it as a form of entertainment/comfort make it hard, One thing that ancestors didn't have is this overabundance of food constantly available. I really wish cavemen ate chocolate cakes

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:59 PM

Joey, thanks for your input, I am also thinking about alternatives that are not too far off Paleo. Thanks again

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:58 PM

And by the way, I have been very strict, and have had ZERO of what is not allowed on Paleo. Thanks again for your input.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:58 PM

I also do eggs with wilted spinach, and broccoli, but that is about the extent of my total diet, day in and day out. What else is there? If I cut nuts and the Paleo stuff, I dont have much left. I am a tall guy, 6'4", and am built big (think imposing) but not fat, and am 275 lbs. Yea, I could lose some weight, and Paleo has been great for that, but you could never tell by looking at me. I need food to keep me going, but based on all that has been going on, I am actually nervous to be eating anything at this point, so I am at a loss.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Robert, thanks much for your comments, and they do resonate with me. I am frustrated for sure, and not eating nuts, or nut oil, and no dairy, minimal fruit, and no grains, what the heck am I to eat in a hurry, or for substance other than just meat? For instance, at night, when I want something to eat, I grab a small bag of raw carrots, which I love, and I eat those, or I grab some spaghetti squash that I have prepared all the time, or maybe a few hard boiled eggs, some Steves Paleo Jerky, or Paleo Crunch with almond milk.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Paleorox, I am hopeful that its just an adjustment thing too, but its been, now 39 days, so my hopes are fleeting that this is the cause. Thanks for your input.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Heidi, today I removed the bee pollen that I take every morning, and am thinking, based on my readings, this may be an issue. I have never taken it before the Paleo change, but am not sure with the amount of discomfort, and teh duration, would be casued by such a small amount of ingested pollen. Thanks for your comments very much.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Michelle, I was a clean eater before the cleanse, and actually was pseudo on the Eat Clean Diet. I was pretty healty prior to the cleanse, and the ate everything I eat now, I am eating allot of nuts, and grass fed, low salt jerky from Steves Paleo Kits, so I am also thinking about my PH levels being an issue. Thanks for your input.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:45 PM

Happy Now, thanks for your input. I am starting to be carefull about what I eat to get my body back to level, but, as I am Paleo, no dairy or grains, so outmeal, tapioca and potato are out, so its sweet potato, cooked veggies, and little fruit, and low sugar ones at that. Thanks for your comment

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Thanks for the comment Megan, I have been looking at the FOODMAPS since yesterday. Its a bit hard to follow, so I have to focus and dig into the program more. What is anoying, is that I had an Iron gut for years, before I started Paleo, and I would not blame it on the cleanse, as I have done 3 of them, and never had an issue afterwards.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

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on September 16, 2012
at 01:39 PM

The pepper is used in the cleanse to increase the cleansing action of the lemon and does burn in the gut, but its never been a problem before. I will start to keep a journal, but at this point, I am nervous to eat anything at all, because of how I end up feeling, and with 2 young kids, yesterday was an example of how it impacting me. I could not leave the general vicinity of a toilet, so no park for them. It sucks. I feel better today after a very nasty BM, but I have no food in me. Last night was really rough. Thanks for your comments JayJay, I really appreciate you taking the time.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:38 PM

The cleanse is something that I started doing 18 months ago to "start fresh" and it makes me feel phenomenal. All the fluids in my organs, my gut, skin and so on, are clean and light. I actually get a high from doing it. This was one of my shorter cleanses, as the one I did between Turkey Day and Christmas, lasted 24 days. No food for 24 days, its quite a high.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:38 PM

JayJay - Regarding pre existing conditions, I had none to speak of, except I got gas with the normal foods that create gas, beans, and such. But that was about it.

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 06:09 AM

For your LSG/gut dysbiosis have you tried adding fermented vegetables with all your meals, as well as taking some gelatin rich beef bone broth? Going paleo I know a few people who through the adjustment period of these foods that their digestion goes a little wack, probably due to the SAD diet which may have kept you "regular" but it was a regularity due to an allergy to a food? Check out The Autoimmune Paleo Diet by Anne Angelone nn amazon. Also is something wrong with your gallbladder? I think that has to do with digestion of fats, ask your doc about it maybe bile salts help?

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on September 16, 2012
at 04:40 AM

Exactly. You liver/kidneys cleanse your body of toxins. Lemons and cayenne pepper just screw your digestive tract.

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(10490)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:23 AM

Downvoted because it is completely unhelpful, and I do think that Paleo/Primal is right for everyone. It's a very broad diet that can be tweaked to an individual's needs.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:18 AM

THIS! The Lemonade Cleanse is ridiculous. I've had friends who have done it and I just don't get the appeal!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 16, 2012
at 03:30 AM

Was the "cleanse" painful? If you eat a whole pepper it will go through your entire digestive track in an hour. Fifteen days of that musta killed your gut!

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:25 AM

Yeah, it seems pretty common that cleanses like that can throw everything right off kilter...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on September 16, 2012
at 02:24 AM

As I point that out I wonder any provious medical conditions OR any previous body symptoms at all? You did a cleans followed by hard core Paleo....seems you were searching to cure or improve on SOMETHING...care to elaborate?

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:23 AM

Ditch the bars and crap...consider cooking your veggies better (could be you having trouble with lots of veggie fiber). Make a journal of what you eat. Consider varying the items you use and keeping track so as to find the likely culprit....paleo eliminates most of peoples neolithic issues, but you may just be that special snowflake that needs a little extra attention.

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Thanks, CD :) I know way too much about FODMAPs due to trying to help my husband hack his digestive issues.

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:47 AM

SH*T? Really? You had to obfuscate one letter in a four-letter word?

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:45 AM

excellent answer megan!

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 16, 2012
at 02:18 AM

There is no scientific evidence that the Master Cleanse cleanses anyone of anything. What it does do is hose your gut bacteria, the bad and the good, irritate the lining of your entire digestive system, and deprive you of nutrients. Now it's time to put your digestive system back together. It's going to be inflamed for awhile and you might have even more food sensitivities than ever. GAPs and FODMAPS approaches can help you heal and over time you will be able to eat more foods. Unless you do another Master Cleanse and irritate your digestive tract again.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on September 21, 2012
at 12:34 AM

Can I just say I wish the Ray Peat fans would just go to Danny's site and start a Hack/Forum? The constant nay saying and tossing our ridiculous accusations like the above is really old. At least to me.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:40 AM

Exactly. You liver/kidneys cleanse your body of toxins. Lemons and cayenne pepper just screw your digestive tract.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 17, 2012
at 01:57 AM

that's not the purpose of GAPs or FODMAPs. I never saw any paper on FODMAPs that said stuff about some nebulous toxins.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 22, 2012
at 09:13 PM

They already have their own site http://peatarian.com/

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:18 AM

THIS! The Lemonade Cleanse is ridiculous. I've had friends who have done it and I just don't get the appeal!

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 21, 2012
at 12:13 AM

I used to do it twice a year, I am never doing it again cause I lose a lot of muscle mass :/ but now that I found paleo, I am eating clean anyway so no need to do extra detox, if i want to detox will do a little IF with water :D

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on September 16, 2012
at 08:04 PM

There is no scientific evidence that GAPS and FODMAPS cleanses anyone of anything either... Obviously the op feels like crap, more crappy than before, so maybe the paleo diet isn't working for him? Or is that impossible :D?

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51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Just a wild guess, but I'm wondering if you are sensitive to some veggies. Did you have digestive issues before all this? Please google the FODMAPS diet and see if the veggies and fruits you eat every day are on that list. If so, try cutting them all out for a while and eat the low FODMAPS variety and see if that helps. You can always try adding them back in after that. Good luck!

51c66d8a6f3005628535a50a950b1c61

(1003)

on September 16, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Thanks, CD :) I know way too much about FODMAPs due to trying to help my husband hack his digestive issues.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Thanks for the comment Megan, I have been looking at the FOODMAPS since yesterday. Its a bit hard to follow, so I have to focus and dig into the program more. What is anoying, is that I had an Iron gut for years, before I started Paleo, and I would not blame it on the cleanse, as I have done 3 of them, and never had an issue afterwards.

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on September 16, 2012
at 12:45 AM

excellent answer megan!

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on September 16, 2012
at 02:19 AM

I've personally never been a fan of that whole cleansing concept if only because it can really screw up your gut bacteria, and releasing a bunch of stored toxins into your body all at once seems like a needlessly violent cure for something that would work itself out over time by eating well.

So, by not feeding your gut bacteria and consuming a bunch of strong medicinal herbs while fasting, you've likely depleted a number of strains in there. Different probiotics are for different things. Saccaromyces boulardii is supposed to be beneficial for stopping diarrhea, so you might want to have a go at that. You should slowly work your way through a variety of brands, and lacto-fermented veggies, but also make sure you are adding some prebiotics to the mix to feed the little buggers once they are inside you, which are usually in the form of starches, like potato, sweet potato, bananas, coconut, jicama, tapioca, even something like oatmeal or rice if you tolerate them. Think of them as a binder and mover to firm things up, but keep them moving at the same time.

Carrots when taken in any great quantity are essentially colon blow, especially if eaten raw. So you might want to cook them, or eat them a little more sparingly.

During a cleanse and/or having diarrhea it is also really easy to become electrolyte depleted, which can make you feel like shit all on its own, so make sure you are adding good quantities of unrefined salt and/or something like coconut water to your diet. And don't feel like you need to drown yourself with water, enough is good, certainly drink to thirst, but too much just makes you piss away your minerals.

Until things get sorted in your gut, it probably isn't a bad idea to try and lean towards foods that are easier to digest than what it looks like you are currently eating. Chicken soup, beef stew, cooked starchy foods, well cooked veggies, and some fruit.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:45 PM

Happy Now, thanks for your input. I am starting to be carefull about what I eat to get my body back to level, but, as I am Paleo, no dairy or grains, so outmeal, tapioca and potato are out, so its sweet potato, cooked veggies, and little fruit, and low sugar ones at that. Thanks for your comment

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 21, 2012
at 03:36 AM

Thanks Happy Now, I will have to look up how to make some of these goods. I dont crave a whole lot of sweets, and if I do, I just eat some Paleo Meenut Butter. If you havent had it, you must. The almond mile tapico custard sounds good.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 20, 2012
at 07:22 AM

If you are dairy-free you can make something like tapioca pudding with the little balls of it in a coconut or almond milk based custard. You can also make your own bubble tea with the larger balls. I often use a bit of tapioca flour as a thickener for soups, sauces, or fruit sauces the way recipes would normally use corn starch or flour. If you venture into gluten-free baking at all, it is a common flour substitute, and is really good in crepes and pancakes.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on September 17, 2012
at 02:40 AM

Cooked plantains, parsnips, rutabegas, turnips, are other paleo approved starch and root options too. Tapioca itself is from cassava and pretty darn paleo. Fewer and fewer in the paleosphere are considering potatoes to be on the forbidden foods list too. Root vegetables are extremely paleo. I think you'll get the most bang for your buck for healing your gut lining with soups based on bone broth, and adding gelatin or l-glutamine to your regimen. If for some reason the diarrhea doesn't stop, don't hesitate to get a stool workup at your doctor to rule out a c-difficile bacterial overgrowth.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on September 16, 2012
at 02:25 AM

Yeah, it seems pretty common that cleanses like that can throw everything right off kilter...

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on September 20, 2012
at 07:25 AM

I also forgot to mention up there, that pumpkin is awesome for getting your gut back on line. And coconut and bananas are nature's pepto. If the diarrhea is bumming you out, macaroons are good for stopping things up.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:01 AM

Happy Now, how do you prepare Tapioca for Paleo?

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on September 16, 2012
at 01:57 AM

The only real way to find out is to experiment - take things out, add them back in, and see what works and what doesn't.

In our experience, nuts (especially Paleo Krunch bars) were a real source of diarrhea. Sounds like your diet is fairly heavy in nuts and seeds, so that would be one thing to try eliminating.

I also wonder if going straight from the cleanse to a high-fat diet is upsetting your system.

Have you read It Starts With Food? They talk some about how it's possible to feel like total crap at first when you're eating clean, but it doesn't last forever, as long as you figure out what works for you and what doesn't.

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Michelle, I was a clean eater before the cleanse, and actually was pseudo on the Eat Clean Diet. I was pretty healty prior to the cleanse, and the ate everything I eat now, I am eating allot of nuts, and grass fed, low salt jerky from Steves Paleo Kits, so I am also thinking about my PH levels being an issue. Thanks for your input.

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on September 16, 2012
at 01:10 AM

Are any of the foods you started eating when you started Paleo new to you? Of if not new, are they foods you only ate in small quantities before. What you describe sounds like a food intolerance or a food allergy to me. Perhaps a new food is causing you a problem? I would write down every thing you eat (including all the ingredients in those bars/meals) and see what's new or in much higher quantities than you've eaten before. Then eliminate these foods and see if that makes a difference. If not, you may have to go more drastic (like a diet of only two or three foods - see if you're okay - and if so, slowly add in a new food every 4-5 days while looking for a reaction.)

Good luck! What you describe really does sound miserable.

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(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Heidi, today I removed the bee pollen that I take every morning, and am thinking, based on my readings, this may be an issue. I have never taken it before the Paleo change, but am not sure with the amount of discomfort, and teh duration, would be casued by such a small amount of ingested pollen. Thanks for your comments very much.

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on June 02, 2013
at 08:03 PM

"I do think that Paleo/Primal is right for everyone"

Wow - and Paleos bash vegans for being close-minded...

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on September 17, 2012
at 02:28 PM

Try eating a pizza and see how you feel after a nap.

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on September 16, 2012
at 07:34 PM

It's fairly common to feel really crappy the first month or so of Paleo. I felt great the first week, and then rotten for about a month afterwards, and then finally leveled off to feel normal. Though people often say the "Paleo flu" lasts about 20 days, like anything else it's totally individual.

I've done the cleanses before and felt pretty good on them, but I prefer just straight water fasting. Way easier for me, for some reason, just to skip anything that remotely challenges my taste buds. I wouldn't hazard a guess that that has anything to do with your dilemma, however; instead, I'd remove the paleo bars and snacks, maybe cut back on the veggies/fruits/nuts a bit, and just give it a few more weeks. My wife felt like holy hell for about 6 weeks on Paleo -- and freaked out because she actually gained 5 lbs (even though she's not fat) -- but then settled down and is now about to launch a Paleo "food porn" site.

Just hang in there, it gets easier eventually. (Usually. :-))

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(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:03 AM

Robert, Without question, I stopped the seeds and the Paleo Crucch, and in 2 days, I felt awesome. Yesterday, I ate more seeds, and today, feel like shat. I take it I cant eat seeds? The odd thing is that I ate seeds with no problem before I went Paleo. Thanks all for your help.

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on June 06, 2013
at 12:32 PM

Sounds like you gut is still "leaky" it can take months to get your digestive system back on track from the damage that was already done. I'd recommend talking to a professional, like a holistic nutritionist to determine what pre-existing conditions you had.

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on June 06, 2013
at 11:53 AM

If you are having pains in yout right side under your rib cage to the front of your stomach and feeling constipated along with gas.....you may want to see if you have

          H-PYLORI

IF I SPELLED THAT RIGHT. Just something you may want to look at MIKE

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on September 21, 2012
at 12:02 AM

If you are eating high fat with your protein and carbs, then do not snack between meals and leave at least 5 hours between meals so your digestive system can recover for the next fatty meal. Make seafood part of the paleo diet. DHA, EPA are major players in brain/nerve chemistry so add shellfish, crustaceans, mollusks, and cold water oily fish to your meals as well as offal, pasturefed beef/bison/game, and proper bacon. And don't eat or snack any later than 3 hours before sundown. Your brain's pharmacy is on a schedule and you don't need your energy diverted to digest food during sleep. Try to get 8 hours of good sleep. There are numerous reasons to do so.

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(110)

on September 21, 2012
at 03:41 AM

I dont snack at all. I eat closer than 5 hours, basically, when I am hungry, I eat, but I dont cheat at all, so I am ok with eating when I want. With that said, I found that it was the seeds I was eating. I pulled those from my diet, and bang, I feel awesome 2 days later. I tried 2 days after I quit to eat some, and the next day and a half, I felt like crap again, and have not had any since, so I am just about back to normal. I am lucky that I am able to identify the issues so quickly. Thanks for your comments.

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on September 17, 2012
at 02:26 PM

You need Dr Kruse gut brain series. You have destroyed your gut flora with that ill advised fast. You will need aspirin when reading jackkruse.com but keep at it. Dr K is a brain surgeon who starts with paleo but goes miles beyond.

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on September 16, 2012
at 05:34 AM

I share your concern. I've followed all the recommendations, going strictly meats, oils, & veggies (low-FODMAP) and I've had more bloating post-paleo than pre-paleo. I'm not at 30 days yet, but it does seem like a fat digestion issue (keep in mind that I do have LGS/gut dysbiosis). My digestion was definitely better when I was eating starches with every meal.

I'm gonna give it at least the full 30 days but if the indigestion remains, I'm not gonna push it because I believe Paleo is best on paper (which I do believe). My plan at that point would probably be: try SCD legal goatmilk yogurt in an effort to fix the dysbiosis, then try Paleo again. If that still doesn't help, I'd definitely try to lower the fats & increase the carbs.

Best of luck figuring it out.

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(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:59 PM

Joey, thanks for your input, I am also thinking about alternatives that are not too far off Paleo. Thanks again

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(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 06:09 AM

For your LSG/gut dysbiosis have you tried adding fermented vegetables with all your meals, as well as taking some gelatin rich beef bone broth? Going paleo I know a few people who through the adjustment period of these foods that their digestion goes a little wack, probably due to the SAD diet which may have kept you "regular" but it was a regularity due to an allergy to a food? Check out The Autoimmune Paleo Diet by Anne Angelone nn amazon. Also is something wrong with your gallbladder? I think that has to do with digestion of fats, ask your doc about it maybe bile salts help?

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on September 16, 2012
at 01:29 AM

Your body may be adjusting to eating raw and clean foods rather that processed foods that you may have been fueling your body with before. After all, you have only been eating true paleo for 23 days. Try changing up your vegetables and meat a bit :)

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:50 PM

Paleorox, I am hopeful that its just an adjustment thing too, but its been, now 39 days, so my hopes are fleeting that this is the cause. Thanks for your input.

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on September 16, 2012
at 01:53 AM

I was actually on the master cleanse for 3 weeks before I did the paleo diet, mine is different from how most people do it (if you look in my profile it describes it) Being on the master cleanse basically really cleanses you of all toxins, so I am thinking that maybe you had an allergy to a certain food but didn't fully manifest itself until your body became more pure? (does that even make sense what I am trying to say?) , how about this: I used to smoke until after the master cleanse, after a week on the MC the taste of cigarettes started making me sick, but my body was use to it so I was "fine" smoking but a week after I became nauseous from the cigarettes and they started to taste awful. So basically something that didn't bother you before may bother you now

I would do an elimination diet, basically take out all potential foods that cause allergies and then reintroduce them one at a time (Minus gluten which should be abolished from the universe) As there are weird things people can be allergic to such as nightshade vegetables, the oxalates in vegetables (like spinach, sweet potatoes, beets, figs)

Read this book: The Autoimmune Paleo Diet

I have been on Paleo (well my version) for 7 weeks and feel awesome, I'd personally would stay away from the seeds, my gut was happy with me, had bowel movements like a champ (sorry TMI) until I had Tahini (which is basically sesame seed paste, organic/gluten free) and.... (I'll leave the rest to your imagination) But my stomach was pissed off at me, I now swore off nuts/seeds

Nuts/Seeds (especially raw) can have high levels of phytic acid (which binds to minerals making them unavailable for us to absorb) and protease inhibitors (trypsin inhibitors) which mess with proper protein digestion.

The Paleo Kits. and bars ingredients seem decent, but being the obsessive person I am I won't do seed oils, especially since I don't know if they been heated because I try to stay away from rancid fats.

Good Luck!

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(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Robert, thanks much for your comments, and they do resonate with me. I am frustrated for sure, and not eating nuts, or nut oil, and no dairy, minimal fruit, and no grains, what the heck am I to eat in a hurry, or for substance other than just meat? For instance, at night, when I want something to eat, I grab a small bag of raw carrots, which I love, and I eat those, or I grab some spaghetti squash that I have prepared all the time, or maybe a few hard boiled eggs, some Steves Paleo Jerky, or Paleo Crunch with almond milk.

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(110)

on September 21, 2012
at 03:38 AM

It makes sence, and I was thinking it may be something like that (masking), but didnt know enough to figure it out. Thanks brother

2f3a02b7ac9e9b566d751e2109da1783

(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:58 PM

And by the way, I have been very strict, and have had ZERO of what is not allowed on Paleo. Thanks again for your input.

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(795)

on September 20, 2012
at 09:14 PM

Glad to hear, well I doubt your body ever handle nuts well... I am gonna try to explain this, or this is what I think what is happening...an example: Some people when they stop ingesting gluten may get constipated, and they think to themselves maybe the gluten or extra fiber (from the gluten source) kept them regular, in actually what is possibly happening is that there is an allergic reaction that caused them to have "pre-diarrhea" but was still solid and they interpreted that as "regular"? Does that make sense? I suck at explaining things, it sounded better in my head lol

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(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 05:42 PM

oh man, I am just giving you my view, I understand what you feel my food pool get smaller the more I read, its just the little OCD in me. All my favorite foods I can no longer have. I carry plastic spoons/knives in my car. and my quick foods is avocado, calorie dense fatty avocado. and/or wild caught sardines in olive oil. I leave a can or two in my car. I know my problem with food as I think I see it as a form of entertainment/comfort make it hard, One thing that ancestors didn't have is this overabundance of food constantly available. I really wish cavemen ate chocolate cakes

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(110)

on September 20, 2012
at 04:02 AM

Robert, Without question, I stopped the seeds and the Paleo Crucch, and in 2 days, I felt awesome. Yesterday, I ate more seeds, and today, feel like shat. I take it I cant eat seeds? The odd thing is that I ate seeds with no problem before I went Paleo. Thanks all for your help.

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(110)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:58 PM

I also do eggs with wilted spinach, and broccoli, but that is about the extent of my total diet, day in and day out. What else is there? If I cut nuts and the Paleo stuff, I dont have much left. I am a tall guy, 6'4", and am built big (think imposing) but not fat, and am 275 lbs. Yea, I could lose some weight, and Paleo has been great for that, but you could never tell by looking at me. I need food to keep me going, but based on all that has been going on, I am actually nervous to be eating anything at this point, so I am at a loss.

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on September 16, 2012
at 04:18 AM

Dude- sounds like the Paleo diet is not for you. Duh. Listen to your body. You can't possibly believe that one way of eating is right for every single person can you?

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(10490)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:23 AM

Downvoted because it is completely unhelpful, and I do think that Paleo/Primal is right for everyone. It's a very broad diet that can be tweaked to an individual's needs.

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