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In need of some serious help please.

Commented on October 07, 2013
Created October 06, 2013 at 10:26 PM

A couple of months ago before I could consider myself really healthy. I was following all of the protocols of the paleo/perfect health diet and I felt pretty amazing. I've been building up my health for years after discovering what was wrong with the typical Standard American diet. A month ago I was getting ready to go on a ketogenic diet for fasting purposes and what not. I consumed many teaspoons of coconut oil (around 5-8) I can usually consume more. But on this day I accidentally consumed a banana which has a safe starch. For some reason sugars + antibacterial never mix well in my stomach. I had the worst stomach cramping of my life followed by multiple trips to the bathroom. I felt like I would rather die than stand the pain. After a day of consecutive trips to the bathroom. I finally went to the doctor. I had some pain and inflammation in my small intestine and I knew it was my small intestine and not my stomach. My but when I got to the emergency room, these stupid idiot doctors told me I had gastritis and that it was caused by acid reflux so they put me on proton pump inhibitors. Which I took for a day just to see if it would work even though I knew it wouldn't because I usually take HCl supplements for better digestion. Now I believe that mixing the coconut oil and banana has disrupted my gut flora because my gut has been inflamed for nearly 2 months and I have all the symptoms of IBS +IBD but the doctors are too stupid to see this. I consumed a lot of probiotics and I mean a lot. Lots of russian kefir with billions of bacteria nearly everyday lots of yogurt and fermented foods but they have barely helped. Its ridiculous how the health I have worked years to build can go to shit in nearly a day. I can no longer consume fructose because I used to be able to eat two whole pineapples consecutively without any problems. Now I cannot without my stomach seriously cramping up. I think my mucous membranes in my gut may have been disturbed. Im thinking about what supplements I should take to restore my gut. I have purchased VSL # 3 a potent probiotic with 220 billion bacteria per pill. It is an FDA approved probiotic. I have purchased L-Glutamine along with multivitamins and activated charchoal. I consume a lot of salmon but the inflammation hasn't been going down. What can I do? Thank you.

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on October 07, 2013
at 11:43 PM

I was presenting two different ideas. it HAS been shown causal for anti-microbal benefits. it has been shown to be correlatory to anti-biotic benefits but HAS NOT been shown causal to anti-biotic benefits.

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on October 07, 2013
at 10:25 PM

That's still causation, just not due to a straightforward innate antimicrobial mechanism. There's should be another name for that fallacy...

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on October 07, 2013
at 08:09 PM

I agree with Matt. The funny thing about bananas and coconuts is that they are both native to similar places (Indomalay, New Guinea, Caribbean). It is unlikely that the combination of coconut and bananas is so toxic, or we would have known already. Secondarily, you say you were following the PHD protocols, and then you say you were shoving coconut oil down your throat..... Finally, coconut oil has been shown to have proactive anti-microbial benefits which is more likely due to their emollient nature than it is some anti-biotic nature. Correlation does not equal causation.

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on October 07, 2013
at 07:53 PM

Just be careful in selecting your pickles and krauts.... Many these days in America are actually preserved with vinegar and possibly heat, with no live cultures.

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on October 07, 2013
at 07:37 PM

Sometimes we need treatment we do not like or prefer.

A few years ago, I fell on my elbow & split it open.

Despite being careful I wound up with a major injection with my arm hand & swollen from elbow to fingers. Did my internist & I WANT to run two courses of Bactrim? No, but did we, Yes!. Did it cause me intestinal issues? Yes, did it save my arm? Yes.

Sometimes all the choices aren't great, sometimes they're just tolerable.

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on October 07, 2013
at 06:07 PM

As tempted as I am to say you should stay away from the doctors, in this rare case I might agree. I'd say there's an 85% chance that any doc you see will give you some BS explanation, maybe offer some expensive pills, and send you on your way. It sounds real bad though. On the off chance that they figure it out, I'd try more doctors. Maybe look for a naturopath or a paleo friendly doctor in your area who will understand some of what you understand.

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on October 07, 2013
at 05:14 PM

A lot of things are antimicrobial in vitro. Show me in vivo studies.

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on October 07, 2013
at 04:52 PM

i still stand by what i said. it doesn't seem like you've been able to get yourself out of this problem. if you are actually a med student, do you have friends in this field that you have talked to this about? steroids could help you until you figure out what to do next. i mean, i've taken VSL, kefir, and l glutamine out the wazoo but none of that does anything compared to prednisone.

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on October 07, 2013
at 03:00 PM

I've told you to quit overthinking this, in a sort of nice way. I'm very serious when I tell you to eat burgers and fries. Get off the fads.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:58 PM

PB I see you;re a med student. A bit of advice... put some "white paper" in your writing. It greatly improves comprehension & the reader's overall experience. Good writing considers the reader. Chill out on your diet, simplify.. back to basics.

My SWAG... your gut flora is very unhappy. Stop feeding it sugar and raw veggies. Dial back on the fruit!

Honesty, I just skimmed your question.. not a enough (any) white space to make it easily parse-able. :( So, if missed something important you can have refund.

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:10 PM

As much as I want to go to a gastroenterologist, I want to avoid taking any steroids or immunosuppressants.

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:08 PM

Funny thing is I AM a med student, and here is your evidence.

http://www.bu.edu/abl/files/future_microbiology.pdf

http://commonhealth.wbur.org/2011/05/sugar-antibiotics

@ thhq I'm not here to start an argument, nor am I begging you for help. I am asking for advice and if you have nothing to contribute then please leave.

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:05 PM

You are right that I should probably not believe everything that salesmen say, but in this case the lauric acid and caprylic acid have been shown to have antimicrobial properties

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on October 07, 2013
at 01:16 PM

Um yeah....doctors have techniques...how much med school have you completed PG?

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:56 PM

Overkill much? This guy needs a normalized diet before spending $1000s on (likely unnecessary) tests.

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:54 PM

Except that coconut oil is not antibiotic. Don't believe everything you read from coconut oil salesmen.

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:30 PM

In medicine there is a technique where doctors combine antibiotics and sugar to increase the effectiveness of it

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:29 PM

I don't take any supplements right now I have just ordered them and all I have been eating for the past few months are vegetables and meat and fish. Some dairy here and there nowadays . The only time I consumed those probiotics were when these issues first started

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:13 PM

idk, you cant trust those bananas, with all their filthy selective breeding; im sure theyve been plotting this for a long time!

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on October 07, 2013
at 07:25 PM

I second going to see a GI. You need a camera sent through both ends to see what's going on.

Food wise, try avoiding insoluble fiber rich vegetables, and eat more already-fermented vegetables for gut healing: sauerkraut and pickled vegetables.

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on October 07, 2013
at 07:53 PM

Just be careful in selecting your pickles and krauts.... Many these days in America are actually preserved with vinegar and possibly heat, with no live cultures.

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on October 07, 2013
at 07:05 PM

All the above are true. The coconut oil and banana could not have done this. You need to eat a normal moderate paleo diet (not one or two pineapples, etc). I am a physiologist. I am not your doctor, but for IBS, many of my research subjects have responded well by taking a combination of 200 mg hesperidin or hesperitin, 100 mg quercetin, and 100 mg galic acid when an attack occurs. The exact mg are not important.

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on October 07, 2013
at 06:12 PM

I bet this was a long time coming and the banana-coconut probably didn't do much to you. It may have tipped the first domino but it sounds like a lot of extreme diet experimentation set the dominos up in the first place. The doctors probably won't be able to help (most of them are pretty clueless these days) but on the off chance they do I'd keep trying doctors while you continue to seek your own solution. You need to definitely get a stool sample before you go assuming you know what happened to your gut flora. Maybe it's okay and there's something else? You could always seek a paleo friendly MD or a naturalist type doctor if you're more comfortable with incense and chanting. I admit I'm heading that direction these days - chanting has to be at least as good as misdiagnosis and testing out random pills just to see if they work.

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on October 07, 2013
at 03:31 PM

FODMAP FODMAP FODMAP it is very help

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:31 PM

I'm sorry you are feeling so awful, but let me assure you that you didn't bring this upon yourself just by mixing coconut oil and banana!

It sounds like you need to look at some gut healing diets. Maybe low FODMAP if you have IBS type symptoms. You can also look at the GAPS diet. I am doing low FODMAP right now and it has really helped me a lot.

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:16 PM

Maybe you should go back to eating the SAD. Reset your gut flora on burgers and fries. Trying out every fad supplement, fruitarian and fat diet is worse than what you left behind.

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on October 07, 2013
at 11:55 AM

Seriously? Coconut oil and a banana has totally f'ed your GI helath? Nonsense. All because of some shaky anti-microbial properties of coconut oil?

I mean, from you describe you don't have a "normal" diet. Why not start with that? Lay off the probiotics, the HCl, the 2 pineapples in a sitting. Normal food for a few weeks. An elimination diet if needed. You're dabbling in self-experimentation, which isn't teaching you anything.

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:13 PM

idk, you cant trust those bananas, with all their filthy selective breeding; im sure theyve been plotting this for a long time!

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:29 PM

I don't take any supplements right now I have just ordered them and all I have been eating for the past few months are vegetables and meat and fish. Some dairy here and there nowadays . The only time I consumed those probiotics were when these issues first started

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on October 07, 2013
at 01:16 PM

Um yeah....doctors have techniques...how much med school have you completed PG?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on October 07, 2013
at 08:09 PM

I agree with Matt. The funny thing about bananas and coconuts is that they are both native to similar places (Indomalay, New Guinea, Caribbean). It is unlikely that the combination of coconut and bananas is so toxic, or we would have known already. Secondarily, you say you were following the PHD protocols, and then you say you were shoving coconut oil down your throat..... Finally, coconut oil has been shown to have proactive anti-microbial benefits which is more likely due to their emollient nature than it is some anti-biotic nature. Correlation does not equal causation.

Medium avatar

(91)

on October 07, 2013
at 12:30 PM

In medicine there is a technique where doctors combine antibiotics and sugar to increase the effectiveness of it

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:56 AM

i would make an appointment with a gastroenterologist. you might need a colonoscopy, endoscopy, abdominal ct scan, or pill cam to see what is going on. it doesn't sound like they did any procedures for you in the ER. did you get stool samples done or bloodwork??

if you feel this terrible, i wouldn't wait. intestinal problems can come out of nowhere and get worse quickly if not properly treated.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 07, 2013
at 12:56 PM

Overkill much? This guy needs a normalized diet before spending $1000s on (likely unnecessary) tests.

Medium avatar

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on October 07, 2013
at 06:07 PM

As tempted as I am to say you should stay away from the doctors, in this rare case I might agree. I'd say there's an 85% chance that any doc you see will give you some BS explanation, maybe offer some expensive pills, and send you on your way. It sounds real bad though. On the off chance that they figure it out, I'd try more doctors. Maybe look for a naturopath or a paleo friendly doctor in your area who will understand some of what you understand.

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on October 07, 2013
at 02:10 PM

As much as I want to go to a gastroenterologist, I want to avoid taking any steroids or immunosuppressants.

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