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HOW about soy yoghurt? good bad evil occasionally!?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 13, 2011 at 2:25 PM

I today just bought soy yoghurt for a try. As alternative to diary yoghurt.

its the only soy i eat. and its fermented. Thats the reason i bought it cause of the bacterias for the gut.

293263b0b8b24f0174d1a057cc10d128

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on March 05, 2014
at 01:14 PM

Actually soy-yogurt has virtually no trypsin/protease inhibitors, for starters the heating process needed to make soy milk reduces TIA 90% and then the fermentation process of yoghurt reduces this further to practically nothing. Bare in many many food stuffs contain trypsin and protease inhibiting activity. Soy in its raw state is one of the highest along side egg white, but people don't eat raw soy. And often it is fermented like Natto, Tempeh, pickledtofu, miso. if someone can't tolerate meat or they are vegan, fermented soy is good protein source as well as providing probiotics.

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on February 08, 2012
at 01:13 PM

Since when have yoghurt's kept a diary?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 30, 2012
at 04:03 PM

People, don't forget the word OCCASIONALLY in the tree. This isn't a carte blanche to eat soy yogurt for breakfast every day. I'm saying that if you REALLY love it and it doesn't seem to bother you, eat it on your cheat day.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 30, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Well of course you should eat it as a treat, the tree says OCCASIONALLY, not as a dietary staple.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on January 30, 2012
at 04:08 AM

I don't think it is helpful to be super-strict on what can or cannot be paleo when we have been told by all the Paleo authorities that we could go for 80/20 compliance and occasional cheat-meals. If that /20 includes things like traditionally fermented soy in small amounts, I think you can say you're still "paleo-ish".

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 30, 2012
at 02:45 AM

All of us who consume fermented soy via tamari don't have a paleo diet then? ;)

Ed92809f18ca70e360768b4f2c9c9df6

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on January 30, 2012
at 02:14 AM

how lax is too lax? this. i mean if you're going to eat soy, then your diet is not Paleo.

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on January 30, 2012
at 01:35 AM

Really? I think that you may on the wrong forum.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on January 29, 2012
at 05:06 PM

"Japanese eat soy all the time and have awesome longevity..." Correlation is not causation. The long-lived don't eat *that* much soy, and it is frequently fermented for many (up to 6 to 18) months. I doubt the soy yogurt is treated in that way. Even organic soy from a western producer is processed in ways that should punt it from paleo meals. If it's closer to traditional preparation techniques (lengthy fermentations for instance) it's probably going to do no harm when consumed.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 14, 2011
at 03:35 AM

+1 I love the "corporate" visual aid! LOL

164ed7cd8d84c926bc66f366619bf853

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on December 13, 2011
at 03:17 PM

I also want to add that I do use probiotics. So if gut health is a cocnern, I know some will advocate fermented foods and/or probiotics.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 14, 2011
at 03:18 AM

how-about-soy-yoghurt?-good-bad-evil-occasionally!?

Soy yogurt fails the first section of the tree.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on December 14, 2011
at 03:35 AM

+1 I love the "corporate" visual aid! LOL

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 30, 2012
at 04:03 PM

People, don't forget the word OCCASIONALLY in the tree. This isn't a carte blanche to eat soy yogurt for breakfast every day. I'm saying that if you REALLY love it and it doesn't seem to bother you, eat it on your cheat day.

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on December 13, 2011
at 03:59 PM

Silk soy yoghurt: (as an example)

INGREDIENTS: Organic soymilk (filtered water, whole organic soybeans), rice starch, dextrose, organic evaporated cane juice, tricalcium phosphate, natural flavors, cultured glucose syrup solids, pectin, locust bean gum, ascorbic acid (vitamin C), yogurt cultures (L. bulgaricus, S. thermophilus, L. acidophilus, B. bifidum, L. casei, L. rhamnosus

Um, just say no. There are lots of other ways (and better ways) to get some probiotics. Unless you have a deficiency in phytoestrogens, avoid this and soy in general. (BTW - that's my humor kicking in - there is no such thing as a deficiency in phytoestrogens - that I'm aware of).

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on December 14, 2011
at 03:06 AM

There are other non-dairy probiotic rich foods: fermented fruits & veggies (kimchee, sauerkraut, chutney, relish, etc.), kombucha and water kefir.

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on January 30, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Japanese do not eat soy "all the time". They eat small amounts of fermented soy as condiments with other foods, not lots of tofu, soy milk soy yogurt. just because I did not feel the effects of soy when I ate it does not mean it did not destroy my thyroid. It is the devil's food.

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on December 13, 2011
at 04:50 PM

EVIL!!!! Soy contains trypsin inhibitors and protease inhibitors which can essentially prevent your body from absorbing any protein eaten in the same meal as a soy product. Fermenting can help destroy the inhibitors, but if you are looking for a probiotic product, be safe, stay paleo and try coconut yogurt instead, or coconut water keifer, made by Kevita.

293263b0b8b24f0174d1a057cc10d128

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on March 05, 2014
at 01:14 PM

Actually soy-yogurt has virtually no trypsin/protease inhibitors, for starters the heating process needed to make soy milk reduces TIA 90% and then the fermentation process of yoghurt reduces this further to practically nothing. Bare in many many food stuffs contain trypsin and protease inhibiting activity. Soy in its raw state is one of the highest along side egg white, but people don't eat raw soy. And often it is fermented like Natto, Tempeh, pickledtofu, miso. if someone can't tolerate meat or they are vegan, fermented soy is good protein source as well as providing probiotics.

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9b0a4701e373d4dd13831cfb9b13f42d

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on December 13, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Evil,Soy is garbage in my opinion.

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8949bf87b0e0aefcad10f29975e4fa2b

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on December 13, 2011
at 04:45 PM

Oh, I think it tastes terrible. Sauerkraut, on the other hand, is easy to make on your kitchen counter, requires no refrigeration depending on how fast you eat it, its cheap, tasty, healthy, crunchy and really pairs well with other paleo foods, like crock pot meat.

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Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

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on December 13, 2011
at 04:41 PM

It's possible to make yogurt from coconut milk -- and it actually tastes pretty good.

I've had very good success with this recipe (they have some other really good information on their site as well!). Homemade Coconut Milk

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6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

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on December 13, 2011
at 04:26 PM

EVIL, definitely. I hate the stuff whether it's good or bad for me...

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on December 13, 2011
at 03:59 PM

Are you unable to tolerate dairy yogurt, or do you avoid it because it's not ancestral? Of the two, I think dairy is more traditional than soy for those non-Asian ancestry. I was never exposed to any soy products until adulthood and it doesn't agree with me.

I am lactose intolerant (or at least I was) but I do fine with dairy yogurt. I make my own at home so it is full-fat and contains no cheap fillers. Because it's much more active than any commercial product I find I eat a smaller portion.

If you can't tolerate dairy yogurt I think I'd just skip it. There are other good sources of calcium, etc.

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on December 13, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Yeah I would think that soy yogurt would be a bad source of gut healthy flora. Soy itself causes inflammation in the gut, and the fact that it messes with our hormones is a turn off. There are plenty of other sources of fermented foods that help supplement your digestive bacteria. I personally drink kombucha and another probiotic drink called Kevita. Both are fermented tea beverages with a minute amount of fruit juice added for flavor. They are super low carb, fizzy, and they taste fantastic. I probably have about one of these a week, and usually in conjunction with a meal that's more on the "cheating" side. I hope this helped!

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164ed7cd8d84c926bc66f366619bf853

(495)

on December 13, 2011
at 02:44 PM

I happen to prefer a greek yogurt. I can't have much in the way of soy (thyroid issue), so I stay away from it.
There are coconut milk yogurts, which can be delightful and are non dairy, also.

Yogurt isn't something i eat regularly, but when I do, it's either a convenience food or dessert (usually the latter).

164ed7cd8d84c926bc66f366619bf853

(495)

on December 13, 2011
at 03:17 PM

I also want to add that I do use probiotics. So if gut health is a cocnern, I know some will advocate fermented foods and/or probiotics.

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293263b0b8b24f0174d1a057cc10d128

on March 05, 2014
at 01:36 PM

This is a screen grab from a study on protease and trypcin inhibiting activity in certain foods. As you can see Soy yoghurt has a lot less TIA than Ice cream, egg protein, salami, even mayonaise.

ps. The different kinds of mayonaise and soy yoghurt are different brands, I think some mayonaise is mostly oil, which has less egg (high in TIA) and some soy yogurt has added soy protein or unfermented soy cream. So I you eat eggs but exclude soy for the above reason then your fooling yourself.

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293263b0b8b24f0174d1a057cc10d128

on March 05, 2014
at 01:14 PM

Actually soy-yogurt has virtually no trypsin/protease inhibitors, for staterters the heating process needed to make soy milk reduces TIA 90% and then the fermentation process of yoghurt reduces this further to practically nothing. Bare in many many food stuffs contain trypsin and protease inhibiting activity. Soy in its raw state is one of the highest along side egg white, but people don't eat raw soy. And often it is fermented like Natto, Tempeh, pickledtofu, miso. if someone can't tolerate meat or they are vegan, fermented soy is good protein source as well as providing probiotics.

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382c8797c65d7cbc242788a17fd5bc1f

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on January 29, 2012
at 03:52 PM

I eat organic soy yogurt several times a week with raspberries and some organic granola with flaxseeds sprinkled on it and I love it. It does not cause gas, no intestinal upsets at all but if I eat Greek yogurt it will kill me....I am gluten intolerant and don't eat tons of meat.... Japanese eat soy all the time and have awesome longevity....... I think Paleo is an ok concept but it isn't for everyone 100 percent. Even a modified Paleo would work better. I don't eat grains much, dairy never but if I happen to eat some soy, a little sugar a bean or a grain I won't die or grow warts on my nose. Everyone needs to relax and stop being so uptight... Besides it did not fail the first part of the tree.....it is exceptionally delicious, I don't suffer when I eat it at all so according to your silly tree I should EAT IT.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on January 30, 2012
at 04:08 AM

I don't think it is helpful to be super-strict on what can or cannot be paleo when we have been told by all the Paleo authorities that we could go for 80/20 compliance and occasional cheat-meals. If that /20 includes things like traditionally fermented soy in small amounts, I think you can say you're still "paleo-ish".

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on January 30, 2012
at 04:01 PM

Well of course you should eat it as a treat, the tree says OCCASIONALLY, not as a dietary staple.

Ed92809f18ca70e360768b4f2c9c9df6

(356)

on January 30, 2012
at 02:14 AM

how lax is too lax? this. i mean if you're going to eat soy, then your diet is not Paleo.

D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

(4029)

on January 29, 2012
at 05:06 PM

"Japanese eat soy all the time and have awesome longevity..." Correlation is not causation. The long-lived don't eat *that* much soy, and it is frequently fermented for many (up to 6 to 18) months. I doubt the soy yogurt is treated in that way. Even organic soy from a western producer is processed in ways that should punt it from paleo meals. If it's closer to traditional preparation techniques (lengthy fermentations for instance) it's probably going to do no harm when consumed.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 30, 2012
at 02:45 AM

All of us who consume fermented soy via tamari don't have a paleo diet then? ;)

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