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Fatigue, Brain Fog and Depression 30mn after eating.....

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 25, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Hello hackers, as the title states, I get extreme brain fog, fatigue, sinus congestion/pressure and depression approximately 30mn after eating. This occurs irregardless of the macro-nutrient ratio, potential allergens etc. I should also note that I feel bloated for 4-5 hours after eating. Other than bloating and a little bit of burping after a meal, I have no gi symptoms.

I've tried super enzymes (HCL and betaine) but did not get get any relief even after taking 5 capsules. At 5 capsules I begin to burp up acid(I'm assuming that this means I've reached my HCL upper-limit) and still have bloating and fatigue. Supplementing with enzymes has not helped either.

I have been "diagnosed" with fibromyalgia so I understand there is an association with SIBO and/or leaky gut.

Do my symptoms correlate with SIBO or Leaky Gut? Thank you in advance!!

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on July 28, 2013
at 01:25 AM

Did you figure out what it was? I have the same exact problems

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 25, 2013
at 11:31 PM

I was reacting to it initially, but I think bc I overeat it. After taking a break from kale for 2 weeks, I was able to add it back in (I eat it almost every day). Otherwise I think you would be fine with it.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:53 PM

Update: Just got back from seeing my general pract. Luckily, she is very curious and humble. I showed up with a dozen papers citing studies that show a strong connection between bloating and sibo/leaky gut which is correlated with Fibro/CFS. She asked which tests were required for testing for leaky gut and sibo and I promptly provided her the info. So, I'll be getting tested for both this week. She asked to have a copy of the studies I brought. I thought that was pretty impressive. It's not often you find a doctor that operates under the assumption that they don't know everything.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:48 PM

I'm going to try this!

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:47 PM

I had a basic food allergy test done, no allergies except for poppy seeds showed up.

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on February 25, 2013
at 09:31 PM

is eliminating kale necessary for SIBO?

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(389)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:08 PM

I am not sure, it could be. But what I do know is that getting tested and having some information on paper is a good place to start!

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on February 25, 2013
at 07:57 PM

My take on it - why do people develop food allergies? Are you sure it is not gut bacteria?

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 25, 2013
at 07:52 PM

I am sure I would have had even better results without so many carrots. But I was starving. :) I'm usually fairly low carb, but eliminating all my usual choices (kale, peppers, etc) left me at a loss.

Medium avatar

(389)

on February 25, 2013
at 07:04 PM

I would suggest doing an actual food allergy test - The one I used was affordable, and listed 95 foods in the category of low-extremely high reactivity. It helped me immensely. If you would like the name of the company just let me know.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Interesting. I wonder what the TCM perspective is on SIBO. My understanding is that the small intestine should be virtually sterile but pathogenic bacteria proliferate due to a myriad reasons. One diagnostic and curative tool is minimizing carbs to starve off the bad bacteria in the small intestine. But I guess carots aren't too starchy to generate enough carbs to feed the bad bacteria?

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 25, 2013
at 06:17 PM

Believe it or not, I wasn't terribly low carb when I did this - I ate insane amounts of carrots! And green beans. I drank a ton of broth. I felt horrible week 1, better week 2, tremendously better week 3. I started adding things back in on week 4, one new food about every 3 days. The first thing I added was fruit (berries) - I was DESPERATE for something sweet.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 06:08 PM

Thanks for your comment. It looks like the diet recommendations in the link are similar to SCD. I'm willing to give it a try but how long do you think it will take to see results? I want to make sure I'm on the right track if I eliminate starches because it's something I'm hesitant to do. I'm not a fan of super low-carb diets. However, it it works, of course I'll do it. Again, how long before results are experienced? Thanks again.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 05:36 PM

I haven't experienced any patterns with respect to potential food allergies. I experience the symptoms even if I only eat a serving of lamb/beef.

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on February 25, 2013
at 05:51 PM

I also have fibromyalgia symptoms when eating certain foods (I get extreme brain fog and flu-like symptoms), and I think it ties into SIBO. (Not officially diagnosed, just working with a friend who practices chinese medicine.) I did this protocol for a while and noticed a huge improvement; this is a dietician who promotes paleo for digestive issues (look at the PDF download):

http://www.eat-real-food-paleodietitian.com/paleo-diet-and-SIBO.html

It is a very restrictive diet, but it was the first time my stomach stopped being bloated in my entire adult life. It took about 3 weeks before I felt results. After I added things back in I learned I can eat only a little fruit (usually about 1 cup blueberries a day), no cooked tomatoes (raw is ok), no onions, and NO dairy. (The dairy was the hardest for me - I love cream in my coffee and on my berries!). But I was happy that other things did not bother me (bell peppers, garlic, etc).

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

(803)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:31 PM

is eliminating kale necessary for SIBO?

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on February 25, 2013
at 07:52 PM

I am sure I would have had even better results without so many carrots. But I was starving. :) I'm usually fairly low carb, but eliminating all my usual choices (kale, peppers, etc) left me at a loss.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 07:03 PM

Interesting. I wonder what the TCM perspective is on SIBO. My understanding is that the small intestine should be virtually sterile but pathogenic bacteria proliferate due to a myriad reasons. One diagnostic and curative tool is minimizing carbs to starve off the bad bacteria in the small intestine. But I guess carots aren't too starchy to generate enough carbs to feed the bad bacteria?

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on February 25, 2013
at 11:31 PM

I was reacting to it initially, but I think bc I overeat it. After taking a break from kale for 2 weeks, I was able to add it back in (I eat it almost every day). Otherwise I think you would be fine with it.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on February 25, 2013
at 06:17 PM

Believe it or not, I wasn't terribly low carb when I did this - I ate insane amounts of carrots! And green beans. I drank a ton of broth. I felt horrible week 1, better week 2, tremendously better week 3. I started adding things back in on week 4, one new food about every 3 days. The first thing I added was fruit (berries) - I was DESPERATE for something sweet.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 06:08 PM

Thanks for your comment. It looks like the diet recommendations in the link are similar to SCD. I'm willing to give it a try but how long do you think it will take to see results? I want to make sure I'm on the right track if I eliminate starches because it's something I'm hesitant to do. I'm not a fan of super low-carb diets. However, it it works, of course I'll do it. Again, how long before results are experienced? Thanks again.

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on February 25, 2013
at 05:13 PM

Any known food allergies? I feel this way after eating eggs, bread (or anything with gluten), milk - I.e, anything I am allergic to.

Medium avatar

(389)

on February 25, 2013
at 07:04 PM

I would suggest doing an actual food allergy test - The one I used was affordable, and listed 95 foods in the category of low-extremely high reactivity. It helped me immensely. If you would like the name of the company just let me know.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 05:36 PM

I haven't experienced any patterns with respect to potential food allergies. I experience the symptoms even if I only eat a serving of lamb/beef.

Medium avatar

(389)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:08 PM

I am not sure, it could be. But what I do know is that getting tested and having some information on paper is a good place to start!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on February 25, 2013
at 07:57 PM

My take on it - why do people develop food allergies? Are you sure it is not gut bacteria?

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:47 PM

I had a basic food allergy test done, no allergies except for poppy seeds showed up.

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on February 25, 2013
at 08:33 PM

I have literally the same exact symptoms after I eat a food im "allergic" to (which is many).

You say "I experience the symptoms even if I only eat a serving of lamb/beef.", that could very well mean you have an allergy to lamb/beef. To clarify, by allergy i mean delayed onset IGG mediated allergy, the type that will not show up on the allergy prick test.

When one has a leaky gut, is is very possible/likely to develop new allergies to pretty much any foods you consume, especially high protein foods. This is because a hyper permeable gut allows larger proteins into the blood-stream, and the immune system seeing them as foreign develops a reaction to those invading foods/proteins.

To verify whether or not this is an allergic reaction, try eating a big plain piece of a fish you have never eaten before. If you dont react to this, then it could indicate you are having an allergic reaction to your foods.

If that is the case, I recommend looking into an elimination diet, followed by a 4 day rotation diet, which will ensure you dont develop any new allergies to foods, and will allow your gut to heal.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on February 25, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Not sure, but it could be SIBO.

This is how you can tell:

Try to have NO CARBS at all for one meal or even the whole day.

Like have only protein (meat) and fat (egg yolks, meat fat).

No vegetables of any kind. No nuts, no fruit.

Try it. If you do not feel the difference, it could be something else.

But only a breath test will tell you for sure.

7b4010246a21a9eeb4c49a1f6244cd1d

(65)

on February 25, 2013
at 09:48 PM

I'm going to try this!

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