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any way to fix gut flora without probiotics or fermented foods?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 09, 2012 at 7:00 PM

every time i consume any type of probiotic or fermented food i get severe IBS type symptoms, along with a mild fever. Its really miserable for about 1-2 weeks after consuming even small amounts of probiotics, or fermented food.

Any suggestions? Right now i'm eating lots of gelatin and young coconut flesh

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on August 10, 2012
at 03:51 AM

What? It is legal.

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on August 09, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Good point BoneBrothFast

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on August 09, 2012
at 09:17 PM

Its not legal in the states.

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:39 PM

How's that gonna improve gut flora? O_o These things need to be fed, not starved.

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:39 PM

Not just "sugar" but FODMAPs.

1133603ea602c6824da56e8b596c9754

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:26 PM

Not widely practiced. I would imagine it would be difficult to get this procedure.

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:19 PM

Yeah, I think GAPS recommends starting probiotics only after a few days of mostly bone broth soup, and even then starting out in very small quantities.

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:13 PM

thank you, i had thought about this in the past. I was going to settle with raw jersey cow. I would not be able to stomach milk, adding chocolate shouldnt be a problem in the quantities i would be consuming im sure.

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:17 PM

Diet first. Seem people can't tolerate probiotics or ferments until the gut is more healed. Look into SCD or GAPS.

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:19 PM

Yeah, I think GAPS recommends starting probiotics only after a few days of mostly bone broth soup, and even then starting out in very small quantities.

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:39 PM

Hi Greensun,

While fermented and pre/probiotic foods are good for you, they can be hard on a damaged gut. If you are getting severe IBS symptoms for 1-2 weeks with a mild fever from such a small amount of foods, I would suggest raising your case to level 2 technical support (i.e. consult a doctor), especially if you have narrowed your symptoms down to such a small range of foods.

I would personally recommend a doctor of functional medicine or one trained in GAPS, or other ND (naturopathic doctor). They can do tests conventionally trained doctors wouldn't look at and work with you to heal any issues that might be underlying these issues.

Here's some links: Functional Medicine Doctors: http://www.functionalmedicine.org/practitioner_search.aspx?id=117 GAPS Founder: http://www.doctor-natasha.com/index.php

And these guys tend to have a really good understanding of gut issues: http://www.scdlifestyle.com

I hope that starts you on your journey!

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:12 PM

Be very vigilant about avoiding all the known gut irritants. No slip ups, avoid eating out (where they seem to dip everything in Canola oil).

And it wouldn't be a complete Palehacks answer if I didn't suggest bone broth (which actually regulates my digestion more noticeably than fermented foods or probiotic supplements).

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Human breast milk has been shown to promote healthy bacterial colonization of the gut. Which makes sense, if you think about it, because breast milk is the first source of nutrients that a human receives and it prepares the infant for exposure to the world.

That said, it's an odd suggestion. If you decide to try it out, there are several sources online that allow women to sell their milk. Average price seems to be ~$1.50/ounce. Try to get fresh/unfrozen as it will have a better probiotic composition. If you limit your search to women who are milk-bank certified, you can be reasonably sure of the quality/safety.

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:13 PM

thank you, i had thought about this in the past. I was going to settle with raw jersey cow. I would not be able to stomach milk, adding chocolate shouldnt be a problem in the quantities i would be consuming im sure.

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on August 10, 2012
at 06:46 PM

Eat raw vegetables. It makes me go immediately the next day and I always feel clear and lighter afterwards. I devote one meal to strictly raw a day. SO I will make a salad with lots of spinach, broccoli, green beans, caauliflower, kale, collard greens, blueberries etc. with olive oil and apple cider vinegar. It is delicious and has helped me immensely, especially after vacation when I feel clogged up.

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on August 09, 2012
at 07:14 PM

Fecal transplants are another great option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

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on August 09, 2012
at 09:17 PM

Its not legal in the states.

1133603ea602c6824da56e8b596c9754

(614)

on August 09, 2012
at 07:26 PM

Not widely practiced. I would imagine it would be difficult to get this procedure.

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 10, 2012
at 03:51 AM

What? It is legal.

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1133603ea602c6824da56e8b596c9754

on August 09, 2012
at 07:24 PM

What is your diet like? you probably need to cut out all sugar (even young coconut flesh) and see how far you can get with that and then try to slowly (I mean slowly) introduce some probiotics and/or fermented foods. The first time I went from SAD to a sugar-free yeast-free diet (similar to paleo) I got sick about a week after I switched my diet. I had a fever for a few days and then felt better than before. Not saying you are coming from SAD, but sometimes we consume sugar in ways we aren't aware. It sounds like you really need to detox.

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on August 09, 2012
at 11:07 PM

Good point BoneBrothFast

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:39 PM

Not just "sugar" but FODMAPs.

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:06 PM

How about fasting?

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on August 09, 2012
at 08:39 PM

How's that gonna improve gut flora? O_o These things need to be fed, not starved.

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