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Which type of dirt shall I eat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 26, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Hi folks,

yes I intend to swallow dirt and I don't mean it as a metaphor for SAD food. :-) I stumbled across this thread http://paleohacks.com/questions/42627/eating-dirt-for-gut-health#axzz1kZiC02N2 and it totally makes sense.

When you are allergic to dairy and want to avoid FODMAPS there isn't really a lot of choices to get beneficial bacteria. (E.g. Sauerkraut transforms me into a balloon)

But eating dirt seems to be the solution. There's lot of bacteria in it and I guess our HG ancestors dined a lot on it. Plus, some studies indicate that it has really beneficial effects on the gut flora.

BUT which type of dirt shall I eat? Aren't there parasite larvas in the soil? And other pathogens?

And which kind would you prefer? Rather the delicious muddy loamy soil, or an exquisite bite from the backyard?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on January 08, 2013
at 03:35 AM

Are you suggesting the fingernail biting is a good habit to have?

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on January 08, 2013
at 02:15 AM

The wisdom in this post is outstanding.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on January 08, 2013
at 02:07 AM

Sauerkraut made me bloated until I switched to unpasteurized sauerkraut. Have you tried that?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 07, 2012
at 05:53 AM

Oh its lacto-bacillus thats normally in water...

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on July 07, 2012
at 05:49 AM

As for water, there are "old freinds" in natural unfiltered drinking water. You could possibly emulate this with probiotic pills with acidopilis as its the same family of bacteria, but you dont want to go drinking uncleaned water because you might get something proper nasty. Maybe they could make us folks a mineral water with a few cultures from that family in it and call it "Natural water".

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on April 13, 2012
at 10:57 PM

Thank you for being the voice of reason Beth!

6b6c938c368e7a135e74c468c9ed1189

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on April 03, 2012
at 03:38 PM

The whole point of eating dirt is to get the micro critters in ya. If you eat good dirt, you'll get good critters that then fight off the bad critters. I won't be eating any food off the floor of a feedlot, but healthy dirt is pretty much pathogen free.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on April 01, 2012
at 07:21 PM

! diatomaceous earth !- be sure this is food grade, its pretty much pure silica and can rip holes in your intestines, it is used in agriculture to do the same to insects! bentonite and other clays will be easier to digest, add a few tablespoons to 6 oz of water and let soak for about 3 days to make more digestable, swirl and sip!

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on April 01, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Even without the smelter, well farmed soil would probably contain old arsenic and DDT residues, and lead fallout from auto exhaust.

1096aa84d006fe967128ffbd37e8070e

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on April 01, 2012
at 03:10 PM

I love Hendrikus! I saw him smell and then do a little taste of some soil too. The bagged fertilizer he sells looks like coffee grounds, and more than once I have been tempted to take a little bite. :)

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(10611)

on April 01, 2012
at 03:09 PM

I think igel is going for a PR in downvotes. I'll oblige.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 01, 2012
at 06:24 AM

I don't think igel understands the topic and is probably imagining mud pies.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on April 01, 2012
at 01:02 AM

Wow, this question went WAAY over your head.

Ebcbbdcb8b727e69e06eaa102d49a84c

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on April 01, 2012
at 12:14 AM

I don't think this answers his question.

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on March 31, 2012
at 11:01 PM

For hookworms you don't have to eat or drink anything, they penetrate your feet.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

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on January 27, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Does anyone know to what degree this is gluten free? I'm looking at ingredients lists online, but that doesn't provide enough information. And it doesn't say "gluten free" anywhere.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on January 26, 2012
at 09:27 PM

Gydle, I have serious IBS and I have no idea how I could even get one. My naturopath hadn't even heard of it.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on January 26, 2012
at 08:17 PM

There is an alternative.... But you probably can't get one unless you're really seriously ill with IBS or a C. Diff infection. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecal_bacteriotherapy

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on January 26, 2012
at 08:14 PM

watch the water source. My sister drank water from the grand canyon (that or get really dehydrated) and ended up with a year of amoebic dystentery.

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

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on January 26, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Absolutely agree. And there are things like slug pellets, weills disease, Lyme disease, that one from dogs - too many modern problems and pollutants. When it arrives I shall eat diatomaceous earth (to get rid of bad parasites/ bacteria) and eat sauerkraut.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on January 26, 2012
at 07:37 PM

Nemesis -I agree. However if I eat a carrot, as an example, from my home garden in the city..whose to say that's not super compromised as well.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on January 26, 2012
at 07:16 PM

But that water from Hawaii wasn't sitting around in rusty pipes :/

50e94d7b6b01e6cb87889c6541adc90c

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on January 26, 2012
at 06:56 PM

Same problems here. Autoimmune protocol and histamine intolerance. I made my own Sauerkraut, but even very young Sauerkraut becomes a problem sooner or later. I could buy probiotics, but they are not very convincing, only a few species, that's too poor.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 26, 2012
at 06:29 PM

This goes to the old saying "You have to eat a peck of dirt before you die". My kids used to grab a carrot in the garden, wipe most of the dirt off on their pants, and eat it.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on January 26, 2012
at 05:55 PM

I wondered this about water too. Is our drinking water filtered half to death. What about the bacteria from water. I have drunk water dripping off cliff walls in hawaii (filtering down from a natural spring) and been just fine.

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7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on January 26, 2012
at 07:23 PM

You might want to consider trying Prescript Assist first. It's a "soil-based organisms" pre/probiotic. Not as cheap as dirt, but likely safer.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on January 27, 2012
at 02:34 AM

Does anyone know to what degree this is gluten free? I'm looking at ingredients lists online, but that doesn't provide enough information. And it doesn't say "gluten free" anywhere.

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(19469)

on April 13, 2012
at 10:57 PM

Thank you for being the voice of reason Beth!

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on January 26, 2012
at 09:25 PM

I'm guessing Hendrikus Schraven of Hendrikus Organics is who you should talk to about this. He is the guy when it comes to dirt and soil. You might even call him obsessed. I've seen footage of him tasting soil to see if it was mixed right for whatever he was planting.

The green powder supplement I take sometimes (called Vitamineral Green) claims to be chock full of Natural Soil Organisms.

I have taken straight up NSO supplements before, but I don't remember the brand off the top of my head.

We are in an area that was part of a smelter plume until about 10 years ago, and we're supposed to hose down the kiddos after going to the park, so I'd be pretty wary of chowing down on dirt from the back yard. One thing I have started doing with high quality potting soil is eating unwashed herbs from our container garden.

1096aa84d006fe967128ffbd37e8070e

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on April 01, 2012
at 03:10 PM

I love Hendrikus! I saw him smell and then do a little taste of some soil too. The bagged fertilizer he sells looks like coffee grounds, and more than once I have been tempted to take a little bite. :)

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(10611)

on April 01, 2012
at 03:16 PM

Even without the smelter, well farmed soil would probably contain old arsenic and DDT residues, and lead fallout from auto exhaust.

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6b6c938c368e7a135e74c468c9ed1189

on April 01, 2012
at 06:06 AM

First, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo, then come hang out with me at the ranch for half a day. Everything you own, including your food, will be covered in a fine (or not so fine) layer of dirt and poo. After a few weeks you can't even smell it any longer (but your friends still can). I know when you let chickens poke around in the poo of ruminants, they're healthier because of the lacto-bacillus they ingest. Can people, who eat pretty much the same diet as chickens be very different? Good bacteria compete with pathogens, so wallowing in lots of good bacteria can only be a good thing, just so long as you only hang out with other ranchers ;)

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on January 08, 2013
at 02:15 AM

The wisdom in this post is outstanding.

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

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on January 26, 2012
at 07:03 PM

Unless I could go somewhere I could be reasonably sure man has never been or does not frequent, I don't know that I'd trust eating dirt due to concerns about fertilizers and the like. It seems like you can get a good quality probiotic with much more than "only a few species."

For the record I would agree HGs ate dirt and it was beneficial for them, but the dirt they ate was much different than the dirt most of us have access to, unless you live in the mountains in BFE.

If you're dead set on eating dirt, you could go to the farmers market and talk to the vendors and find someone that could give you some decent assurances their soil is as clean as possible. Then you could buy some of their products and eat them unwashed.

4e184df9c1ed38f61febc5d6cf031921

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on January 26, 2012
at 08:08 PM

Absolutely agree. And there are things like slug pellets, weills disease, Lyme disease, that one from dogs - too many modern problems and pollutants. When it arrives I shall eat diatomaceous earth (to get rid of bad parasites/ bacteria) and eat sauerkraut.

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D05f3050dc3d973b8b81a876202fa99a

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on April 01, 2012
at 02:17 AM

80-90% of surface water in the US is contaminated and must be filtered/treated before drinking.

Dirt is dirtier, if you will, than water.

Caveman dirt did not have pollution.

Your backyard dirt does.

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518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 31, 2012
at 10:50 PM

I would grow plants and eat the plants. Eating dirt is pretty much unavoidable if you take a carrot out of the ground and wipe it off on your shirt. You can't strip a plant of it's soil bacteria by just running it under the tap for a few minutes, which is what most of us do for washing veg. Every time I've straight up eaten dirt (can you tell I grew up in the country, haha, this was the basis of most childhood dares) it is kind of rocky and unpleasant. Rubs on your teeth and is hard to rinse out. Most of the clay that is sold have real woo-woo descriptions of all the magical things they are supposed to do, but that could potentially be a source of easier to eat dirt, although you'll never know if it's truly contaminated.

I usually recommend against buying probiotics because you can usually get a much greater impact by having the real thing, but in your case it might be worth a shot. My microbio prof used to say "eat old stuff and fresh stuff" meaning eat fermented foods and salads (plenty of soil bacteria still hanging around, a rinse doesn't get rid of them). Have you tried water kefir? That is my main source of bacteria.

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2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on March 31, 2012
at 10:41 PM

garden of life probiotics are soil based and work very well for me. i eat a lot of dirt when i am out working on farms, never wash my veggies :)! also you might want to look into teraganix effective microorganisms. they are soil probiotics basically that are used agriculturally as well as for health, the ag kind are safe for humans to consume, although should be diluted a bit, and my prefference, but yes eat dirt....find a local established farm that has proper practices and ask them if they have any dirt that hasnt been recently amended with manure(hehe) or any thing else and then ask them if you can have some, and then feast.

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on January 07, 2013
at 11:21 PM

Biting my fingernails is something I still do and I'm about as healthy as a 50 year old could ever hope to be. I'm sure I pick up loads of bacteria that way. I wonder if that's why babies put everything in their mouth, and my dog eats poop?

I often wonder what the chlorine in water kills off.

We're not supposed to use hand sanitiser, you're supposed to not be socially isolated, or use antibiotics of course.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on January 08, 2013
at 03:35 AM

Are you suggesting the fingernail biting is a good habit to have?

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on April 01, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Eating dirt could be part of the reason paleos had short lifetimes. Longevity has improved with sanitation and dental care. Eating abrasive media works for chicken digestion but is hard on human teeth. Amoeba, amanita fungal hyphae and fecal coliform don't go down well either.

Maybe if the dirt were baked and sifted and used as a seasoning. As recipes instruct, a light dusting. I'd start on something easy first - like kaolin clay or diatomaceous earth - before advancing to sandy loam or rich humus.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

(1533)

on April 01, 2012
at 07:21 PM

! diatomaceous earth !- be sure this is food grade, its pretty much pure silica and can rip holes in your intestines, it is used in agriculture to do the same to insects! bentonite and other clays will be easier to digest, add a few tablespoons to 6 oz of water and let soak for about 3 days to make more digestable, swirl and sip!

6b6c938c368e7a135e74c468c9ed1189

(633)

on April 03, 2012
at 03:38 PM

The whole point of eating dirt is to get the micro critters in ya. If you eat good dirt, you'll get good critters that then fight off the bad critters. I won't be eating any food off the floor of a feedlot, but healthy dirt is pretty much pathogen free.

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on April 13, 2012
at 06:09 PM

yall need chill out with all this bull yall talkin jew.(On nation)

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on April 01, 2012
at 12:06 AM

i'm sorry, but this is retarded.........

......instead of eating dirt (all those famine-afflicted folks in africa are ROTFLing in agony), why don't you try to eat... well, nothing?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 01, 2012
at 06:24 AM

I don't think igel understands the topic and is probably imagining mud pies.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 01, 2012
at 01:02 AM

Wow, this question went WAAY over your head.

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(10611)

on April 01, 2012
at 03:09 PM

I think igel is going for a PR in downvotes. I'll oblige.

Ebcbbdcb8b727e69e06eaa102d49a84c

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on April 01, 2012
at 12:14 AM

I don't think this answers his question.

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