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Ayers + Gut Flora articles = Sh*t Storm

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Created June 06, 2012 at 2:00 AM

So in reading on Dr. Ayers anti-inflammatory diet and gut flora, I have to admit I'm stumped...not that that's a rare occurrence or anything. Anyways! Dr. Ayers says elimination diets don't work and that we need to consume various amounts of raw vegetables ect. to restore gut flora (unless I read those articles wrong). He then says the only sure fire way to correct gut flora is a FMT (fecal transplant). I, uh...what? I mean, I understand that, but which is it and why do elimination diets make things worse? I'm doing ZC right now, for a week trial run, and I cannot imagine my gut flora being any more screwed up than it was before going ZC. Is Dr. Ayers saying I'm screwed unless I reintroduce my ass to the appropriate sh*t?

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"By their specific effects, inulin-type fructans have the capacity to improve the composition, the activity, and the functionality of both the colonic microflora and the intestinal mucosa and to optimize the interactions between the “pluricellular” tissue and tissue-like structures, thus creating the conditions for better intestinal health and well-being." http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2493S.full

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on June 06, 2012
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Can you provide any citation for this claim? My understanding of this topic is that we know gut flora are important, but that they, as well as probiotics, and prebiotics are poorly understood, and that we don't even know conclusively how or why probiotics work--when they do. I am not aware of the studies that "definitely prove" the efficacy of prebiotics.

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Melissa: Yeah, I'd seen you back him on several posts, and I saw where you said your boyfriend had problems with an elimination diet, and Ayers anti-inflammation helped...or I remember something like that. I definitely know you said he got worse on an elimination diet.

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Mambo: I couldn't point to a specific article, haha. That's why I was asking. Like Ray Peat, he tends to just throw information at you and let you decipher what his diet is. And while I appreciate teaching men how to fish, sometimes you have to show them where the damn lake is!

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on June 06, 2012
at 05:34 AM

art ayers says some good stuff, but other stuff he says is crazy. There is no evidence raw vegetables can introduce new gut flora at all.

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Many people think FMT is the best way to restore your gut flora. Ayers isn't the only one. But did he actually recommend ZC?

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Would help if you can provide the link. He has many posts on gut flora so you have to wade through the stuff without the link.

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on June 06, 2012
at 01:02 PM

Melissa : Raw vegetables have definitely been proven to help improve gut flora, not all of course, but those containing high quantities of inulin such as jerusalem artichokes, chicory root and dandelion can do wonders for the proliferation of good bacteria in the gut. Historically we used to eat between 22 and 35 g of inulin a day, but by the late 1990s the average had dropped to less than 4 grams of inulin per day, for the average American.

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on June 06, 2012
at 05:01 PM

Can you provide any citation for this claim? My understanding of this topic is that we know gut flora are important, but that they, as well as probiotics, and prebiotics are poorly understood, and that we don't even know conclusively how or why probiotics work--when they do. I am not aware of the studies that "definitely prove" the efficacy of prebiotics.

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on June 06, 2012
at 06:59 PM

"By their specific effects, inulin-type fructans have the capacity to improve the composition, the activity, and the functionality of both the colonic microflora and the intestinal mucosa and to optimize the interactions between the “pluricellular” tissue and tissue-like structures, thus creating the conditions for better intestinal health and well-being." http://jn.nutrition.org/content/137/11/2493S.full

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