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Are Gurus trustworthy? How to improve a poor incentive structure in the "guru" industry

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 29, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Why do you trust fitness and health gurus? To me these people seem like some the the least trustworthy professionals out there.

The incentive structure in the industry is akin to what would be that of a Hedge Fund (HF-A) who makes money by giving away their exact investment strategies. If they actually did give correct information, they would only be successful a short while, before other competitors (HF-B,C,D, etc) start using their strategies, and either outcompete HF-A by making more money and rising to the top that way, or bring HF-A down by devaluing it's stock purchases when they buy it.

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So, if one guru wants stay ahead of the other, he needs to get a leg up on public approval. The public doesn't like to move more and eat less, because that requires sacrifice. So, instead, he either has three options. Option A we can call "approval seeking." THis would be just telling the public what they want to hear, including some truths but not whole truths about what it is he/she actually does to get in great health/shape. That is leaving out the less glamorous and/or more arduous/time consuming/expensive parts. Making it accessible. Option B would be to just "be honest." If he is fully honest, he runs the risk that people will find what he does either too time consuming, no different than what they've heard before, or just unhealthy and disapprove it (let's say, for instance, he doesn't want to be honest about his minuscule calories, or his steroid use, or his elaborate exercise routine). If he is honest, he doesn't make money. And health gurus earn their living being gurus and selling their secrets, pills, potions, whatever. SO he would go out of business.

On top of that, these people are not held accountable. They aren't personal trainers. They have been given the authority to declare what's not healthy is and what is healthy is not (for instance, when it comes to blood lipid panels, the merits (or demerits) of exercise, the right types of foods, etc). The only thing they are actually held accountable to is to continue providing information that people want to hear, and possibly have a body that shows for it (which, again, may not have been achieved via the means they're dispersing to the public).

Given tha most important business leaders don't pass the psychopath test (meaning that they're psychopathic, and more liable to cheat, lie, and scam their way to get what they want), and the atypical and unusually poor incentive structure of the Health Guru Industry, it seems to me that these people are not those that we should be taking advice from. That is, until they can be held more accountable. One way to do that would be to allow them to actually patent the nuances of their methods. Another would be to make them publish 100% legitimate hormonal and blood lipid panels, as well as photos of them with their shirts off (if that's what you want, or what the guru sells, and it usually is- a good body and remarkable health). Make them take a doping test. Another would be for people to stop looking for shortcuts and the easiest method, but that won't actually work.

This is obviously just more thinking aloud than anything else, but does anyone else here agree with me that the incentive structure in the GURU industry? (do not conflate with personal trainer, because they are accountable for what's relevant).

For examples, This is why Martin Berkhan gets so angry at people like Lyle McDonald for writing books about IF that incorporate "his" strategies. UNfortunately for Berkhan, you can't patent skipping breakfast and nutrient timing. It could by why Marin Berkhan only does deadlifts chins and squats 2x per week but has bigger biceps and more striated pecs than many bodybuilders. It could be why Mark Sisson (who condones the use steroids not on his website, and probably does esoterically on his website by referring generally to "antiaging regiments") eats virtually zero starch and has more muscle mass than most 25 year old full time athletes. It explains the rationalization of high LDL and total Cholesterol, and just focusing on how low one's trigs are. It could explain the generally poor lipid panels by the majority of the medical field. IT could explain why no one ever gets a good body naturally eating a hgih fat ketogenic diet and hardly exercise. Sisson is a salesman. he's on P90X peddling a high carb whey protein beverage that I'm sure he gets commision off of. Only that was made before Blueprint, where it's actually the high fat whey protein beverage that's now better and he also gets commission off. Doesn't it make sense for Mercola (and most other gurus) to constantly be telling us that everything is poison so we need to buy all his super foods and powders and potions? That we're these fragile things that can't thrive in anything but the most pristine environment?

Just seems a little fishy to me. That's all. Feel free to close because I'll admit this isn't very well thought out at all and kind of ramble, but given this information, how do you choose who to trust? Is the ones that aren't selling anything? That is, that don't earn the majority of their income as a guru? That seems like the logical step to me, personally. How would you recommend improving the incentive structure in the Guru industry?

(For purposes of the discussion, I'm using "Guru" as the term for non medical physicians who earn the primary source of their income selling health information and products to the public. This would be in contrast to physicians/trainers who need good clinical/tangible results from patients/clients to be successful and keep their job).

Ca71bbbf420ac8abfad4c5185ecddf31

on March 31, 2013
at 03:18 PM

My point is this entire thread is like saying the "sky is blue". The incentive structure in every industry is messed up. In paleohacks for example there is more incentive to make a post agreeing with everyone instead of speaking ones mind. You seem to be focusing on the people instead of their arguments. Their arguments is really all you have. Just like with every other industry. Don't buy into the people worshipping and focus on what they say, there is nothing else to go on.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 30, 2013
at 09:15 PM

I do not pretend government industry makes things better. It pretty much universally makes things worse. LOL wtf are you talking about?

Ca71bbbf420ac8abfad4c5185ecddf31

on March 30, 2013
at 03:22 PM

Other industries are definitely like like this, you pretend like government regulation makes things better. Lol to you sir, name any industry and I can show you a myriad of ducked up incentivrs. Weather its the guru, supplement, eduacation, government, finance industry, or Evan a golf teacher. Your just more knowledgeable about this industry so maybe that's why your so surprised by this. But look into any industry it will be the same.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 30, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Having a shitty product in the guru industry just means you need to do more. Buy more supplements, cut carbs further, elminate another food group/item, etc. With any other good or service, a bad product means you don't purchase again, not you purchase more becasue you aren't doing right. because everythings toxic and you need to protect yourself further with x,y and z. Not that actually the system is bullshit and the people selling aren't being honest about their own lifestyle choices. Other industries just aren't like that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 30, 2013
at 02:27 PM

usually I plus 1 just for answering, but I cannot bring myself to do it. Please (a) read a basic econ 100 textbook. Also, I'm not talking about paleo gurus specifically, I'm talking about gurus generally- as in the guru industry. I'm not blaming anyone for their opinions, I'm just asserting that the guru industry is UNIQUE among other industries in that the use of dishonesty and poor products can actually get you ahead, not behind. All you have to do is reel them in. When you find a new fad that's too good to be true, jump on that one and reel them in again.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on March 30, 2013
at 04:40 AM

that would be http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/9

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on March 30, 2013
at 04:39 AM

@foreveryoung- >>>But I think his message is way far from being solid.<<<<< As per pALEOpRIDE's question, would it be possible to mention a few points as examples? I've slide sideways into Paleo from the work & writing of Atkins, Seth Roberts, Mark Hyman, Tim Ferriss plus reading real research papers found at http://www.nutritionandm.. IMO they all occupy a somewhat similar space with a fair amount of overlap. Teach me..cheers In engineering, a model / theory might not be 100% accurate / faithful to the phenomena that it is trying to describe but it can still generate usable results.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 30, 2013
at 01:55 AM

I should add that nutrition and exercise should've been taught in K-12. By sixth grade at the latest. We should not have to go on the internet to find "gurus" to explain the *basics* to us.

F2ac6bdc325dabf2c3eb5d6b6f1ee48e

(80)

on March 29, 2013
at 11:49 PM

Fair enough- may I ask if there is anything in particular you could point out? I'm fairly new here and am always looking to improve. Thanks!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 11:36 PM

Great answer I appreciate it. But I think his message is way far from being solid.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 29, 2013
at 10:34 PM

You should start a blog about that, Travis. ;)

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(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 08:38 PM

Anything more than zero is too many.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 29, 2013
at 07:16 PM

You really think paleo has a disproportionate number of ebook offerings compared to other diets out there? If anything, paleo is more open-source/creative-commons than others.

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(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:36 PM

I think these paleo gurus all have a strong pork belly future position and are trying to pump and dump it.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:18 PM

Lol man, I'm just playing devils advocate; but you're 100% right, the incentives don't exist. I saw a Ted talk once where someone was proposing starting a health fund that rewarded people based on how they could improve a combination of quality of life and life expectancy. That person seemed to think that with these types of incentives we would see more progress. I tend to agree with that pov. But I guess what I'm getting at is just, if you got optimal health for you and your family it'd be more profitable to use that to your benefit than to share it, under this current paradigm.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Yes. I like the Jaminet's. The analogy would be reading a book written by Peter Schiff where he publices and scrutinizes his current investment portfolio. Of course, he would never do that. If anything he'd he'd say he's short everything he's long and long everything he's short.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:15 PM

Yes. I like the Jaminet's. The analogy would be reading a book written by Peter Schiff where he publices and scrutinizes his current investment portfolio.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Ebooks are the worst. The one's with that video that you can't fast forward through and that makes little cartoons on a whiteboard to explain the drawn out point they never get to so you have to buy to find out what it is....I hate those!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Ebooks are the worst. The one's with that video that you can't fast forward through and that's makes little cartoons on a whitebood to explain the drawn out point they never get to so you have to buy to find out what it is....Those are the worst!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Dude, I know. I'm not advocating against CEO psychopaths, I'm made that comment to make it all the more poignant that guru's are not trustworthy. CEOs in other fields usually have proper or good enough incentive structures, especially in the free market. I'm saying the GURU indusry is unique in that it is a "free market" but fails to have the proper incentive structure that makes free markets for other goods/services work efficiently.

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(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:59 PM

Means a lot coming from a huckster consuming an all-milk diet. Manties trump diapers 10 times out of 10.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:58 PM

LMAO . clever.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:52 PM

I agree that question is related, Matt, but I do not think it is an exact duplicate.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:52 PM

I rescind my half jk. It was totes srs.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:45 PM

Pics or it didn't happen.

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on March 29, 2013
at 04:44 PM

Hey Travis I saw you mentioned on a blog recently, the guru accused you of wearing manties

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:41 PM

There's a technique in something called Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) That's based on confusion where you overload the conscious brain with more facts then it could possibly remember then insert an embedded command that the listener/reader's unconscious mind then tends to accept. Fact fact plausible idea fact fact is also called a yes set, in addition to people like JK using this technique, many politicians also utilize this.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:35 PM

http://paleohacks.com/questions/167336/how-do-you-determine-which-experts-to-trust-in-health-blogosphere

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:28 PM

^ RIght on. Let pseudo-scientific jargon do the trick!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:27 PM

Option C, a la Jack Kruse - Confuse them with a mix of sense and nonsense? Half srs, half jk.

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(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:26 PM

I keep hitting upvote but it only goes up once.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:25 PM

IDK I forgot already. Can you make something up for me? Srs. No jk. No wait srs. jk ?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:24 PM

IDK I forgot already :/ Can you make something up for me? LOL

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:21 PM

Quick clarification request - you said there were three options and gave A and B. What happened to C? :)

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59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on March 29, 2013
at 04:42 PM

In real life I am actually a Guru Coach which makes me a guru to the gurus, I agree with your assessment which is why imo all gurus should sign up for my Black Diamond Guru Coaching Package, which is usually priced at $9999.99 per year but for the next three days only will be available at the bargain price of $499.99 per year, which is a savings of over three million dollars!

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:58 PM

LMAO . clever.

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6864d23c49952605b2a97d6256af804d

(726)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:35 PM

I trust no gurus. I read their stuff, form an opinion based on the quality of their reasoning and references, then accordingly adjust my internal probability for reading their stuff again. Some health bloggers really are just trying to get it right, Jaminet comes to mind. Some are just cheerleaders for the supplement industry. You mentioned hedge funds - the analogy here is reading zerohedge vs CNBC?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Yes. I like the Jaminet's. The analogy would be reading a book written by Peter Schiff where he publices and scrutinizes his current investment portfolio. Of course, he would never do that. If anything he'd he'd say he's short everything he's long and long everything he's short.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:15 PM

Yes. I like the Jaminet's. The analogy would be reading a book written by Peter Schiff where he publices and scrutinizes his current investment portfolio.

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(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:36 PM

I think these paleo gurus all have a strong pork belly future position and are trying to pump and dump it.

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Medium avatar

on March 29, 2013
at 04:38 PM

The answer, of course, is that none of them are trustworthy. I'd put them on the same level as a used car dealer, with about the same or greater chance of their advice causing me physical harm.

The reason why paleo isn't taken seriously is because it has mutated from a research collaboration into a rapidly growing industry. Why does everyone call it a fad diet? Because there are a bunch of hucksters branding it and selling useless crap. We've allowed it to become a fad diet.

Paleo needs a coup badly. It needs to go back to its roots as a research collaboration by people whose investment in it is their own health and well-being. I donate lots of my time to helping people because there have been and will be lots of people donating their time to helping me.

I'd rather have a bunch of unqualified hobbyists (with real jobs) scouring Google Scholar and bouncing ideas off of each other to create hypotheses than a legion of bullshitters with letters after their names trying to steal our money. They can shove their e-books where the e-sun doesn't e-shine.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Ebooks are the worst. The one's with that video that you can't fast forward through and that's makes little cartoons on a whitebood to explain the drawn out point they never get to so you have to buy to find out what it is....Those are the worst!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:10 PM

Ebooks are the worst. The one's with that video that you can't fast forward through and that makes little cartoons on a whiteboard to explain the drawn out point they never get to so you have to buy to find out what it is....I hate those!

59fa7cd87fb9d669adf21e5cf3e7ada5

on March 29, 2013
at 04:44 PM

Hey Travis I saw you mentioned on a blog recently, the guru accused you of wearing manties

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:45 PM

Pics or it didn't happen.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 29, 2013
at 10:34 PM

You should start a blog about that, Travis. ;)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 29, 2013
at 07:16 PM

You really think paleo has a disproportionate number of ebook offerings compared to other diets out there? If anything, paleo is more open-source/creative-commons than others.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 08:38 PM

Anything more than zero is too many.

Medium avatar

(39821)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:59 PM

Means a lot coming from a huckster consuming an all-milk diet. Manties trump diapers 10 times out of 10.

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 29, 2013
at 04:57 PM

It's just how the world works man. Civilization is based on division of labor. Division of labor implies inequality which implies class division. The CEO psychopaths you mention are the result of a system that's unequal by design. Coincidently those guys probably have for the most part superior anabolic mindsets which let them focus more on goals and less on remorse. So IMO we should all be more like them. But now I'm ranting. Just follow the facts man, and take any advice with a grain of salt, more salt if they have obvious biases (monetary interests), also follow your instinct.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Dude, I know. I'm not advocating against CEO psychopaths, I'm made that comment to make it all the more poignant that guru's are not trustworthy. CEOs in other fields usually have proper or good enough incentive structures, especially in the free market. I'm saying the GURU indusry is unique in that it is a "free market" but fails to have the proper incentive structure that makes free markets for other goods/services work efficiently.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 29, 2013
at 05:18 PM

Lol man, I'm just playing devils advocate; but you're 100% right, the incentives don't exist. I saw a Ted talk once where someone was proposing starting a health fund that rewarded people based on how they could improve a combination of quality of life and life expectancy. That person seemed to think that with these types of incentives we would see more progress. I tend to agree with that pov. But I guess what I'm getting at is just, if you got optimal health for you and your family it'd be more profitable to use that to your benefit than to share it, under this current paradigm.

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F2ac6bdc325dabf2c3eb5d6b6f1ee48e

on March 29, 2013
at 11:01 PM

I think there is such a thing as "healthy skepticism", but I am not sure I condone specifically searching out reasons to MISTRUST ALL "gurus" either. For example, Mark Sisson is a role model of mine- not because he is perfect, but because his message reached me and changed my life. He may have some theories that are just plain wrong, claims can be made that he is "in it for the money", but what I know for a fact is that his message reached me, and changed my life for the better. The "gurus" live under a magnifying glass, I believe they are just as flawed as the rest of us and are simply subjected to more scrutiny than the average joe (rightly so I might add as they are asking for our trust).

The questions I pose to you:

If the message is solid, does the messenger's main motivation matter? (alliteration win) If it does matter, does it outweigh the benefits the information grants?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 29, 2013
at 11:36 PM

Great answer I appreciate it. But I think his message is way far from being solid.

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on March 30, 2013
at 04:40 AM

that would be http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/9

F2ac6bdc325dabf2c3eb5d6b6f1ee48e

(80)

on March 29, 2013
at 11:49 PM

Fair enough- may I ask if there is anything in particular you could point out? I'm fairly new here and am always looking to improve. Thanks!

F291857fa12a0291688ea994343156dc

(720)

on March 30, 2013
at 04:39 AM

@foreveryoung- >>>But I think his message is way far from being solid.<<<<< As per pALEOpRIDE's question, would it be possible to mention a few points as examples? I've slide sideways into Paleo from the work & writing of Atkins, Seth Roberts, Mark Hyman, Tim Ferriss plus reading real research papers found at http://www.nutritionandm.. IMO they all occupy a somewhat similar space with a fair amount of overlap. Teach me..cheers In engineering, a model / theory might not be 100% accurate / faithful to the phenomena that it is trying to describe but it can still generate usable results.

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24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 29, 2013
at 11:39 PM

We have an occupation government that rigorously implements Machiavelli's political advice to weaken a conquered population through various subterfuges such as cultural degeneration. The problem is that the institutions of society are messed up.

The universities, by their national function, are supposed to house the intellectual authorities in each area. The departments of physiology, biology, medicine, should have multiple health & nutrition professors and researchers on their staff.

Leading scientists should receive national and local research grants to study all aspects of nutrition and exercise. Including in prison experiments. Of course.

Doctors should be minor experts, by definition. The local houses of worship should have pastors or dieticians that advise on such matters as well.

Lacking this, we have what we have.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 30, 2013
at 01:55 AM

I should add that nutrition and exercise should've been taught in K-12. By sixth grade at the latest. We should not have to go on the internet to find "gurus" to explain the *basics* to us.

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Ca71bbbf420ac8abfad4c5185ecddf31

on March 30, 2013
at 02:17 PM

First, the paleo diet is based around the principle that no one knows what foods introduced in the past 10,000 years are healthy. So weather someone is a doctor, guru, biologist, or layman, its just an educated guess if milk, wheat, Gatorade, cheese, are healthy or not. So as a base most all paleo gurus are for whole foods such as fish, meat, veggies, egged, and fruit. Basically, eating like a caveman. I don't find a ton of difference between them, besides some advocating higher or lower carb. To be honest, there really isn't much to talk about with a pure paleo diet.

Now, the maybe foods is where it tends to get interesting. Here you'll find a wide range of opinions on the paleo maybes. No study is perfect or even good in my opinion when it comes to nutrition, too many variables to account for, so while the gurus present the arguments the best they can. They all sell products, but these are mainly for people who don't have the time or desire to eat a 100 pure whole food paleo diet. For example the 80/20 rule is to make it not seem so hard for people, but ideally you do 100 percent paleo. Mark doesn't tell people you must eat pizza once a week,but he is saying if you do don't let it get you down or derail you.

Now you can blame the gurus for the opinions, but its not like doctors aren't the same or trainers. Doctors have incentives to give generic or bad advice due to lawsuits and pharmacy incentives. Trainers have incentive to focus on weight loss instead of health, etc. The truth is everyone in every profession has an incentive arrangement that isn't in the best interest of the client. As soon ad money is introduced then the system is corrupted.

So I guess I'm not sure why your picking on the gurus, they try to back up their claims as best they can, but again what would? satisfy you? A lipid profile, shirtless pick, a meaningless study, a camera following them around?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 30, 2013
at 02:31 PM

Having a shitty product in the guru industry just means you need to do more. Buy more supplements, cut carbs further, elminate another food group/item, etc. With any other good or service, a bad product means you don't purchase again, not you purchase more becasue you aren't doing right. because everythings toxic and you need to protect yourself further with x,y and z. Not that actually the system is bullshit and the people selling aren't being honest about their own lifestyle choices. Other industries just aren't like that.

Ca71bbbf420ac8abfad4c5185ecddf31

on March 30, 2013
at 03:22 PM

Other industries are definitely like like this, you pretend like government regulation makes things better. Lol to you sir, name any industry and I can show you a myriad of ducked up incentivrs. Weather its the guru, supplement, eduacation, government, finance industry, or Evan a golf teacher. Your just more knowledgeable about this industry so maybe that's why your so surprised by this. But look into any industry it will be the same.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 30, 2013
at 02:27 PM

usually I plus 1 just for answering, but I cannot bring myself to do it. Please (a) read a basic econ 100 textbook. Also, I'm not talking about paleo gurus specifically, I'm talking about gurus generally- as in the guru industry. I'm not blaming anyone for their opinions, I'm just asserting that the guru industry is UNIQUE among other industries in that the use of dishonesty and poor products can actually get you ahead, not behind. All you have to do is reel them in. When you find a new fad that's too good to be true, jump on that one and reel them in again.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 30, 2013
at 09:15 PM

I do not pretend government industry makes things better. It pretty much universally makes things worse. LOL wtf are you talking about?

Ca71bbbf420ac8abfad4c5185ecddf31

on March 31, 2013
at 03:18 PM

My point is this entire thread is like saying the "sky is blue". The incentive structure in every industry is messed up. In paleohacks for example there is more incentive to make a post agreeing with everyone instead of speaking ones mind. You seem to be focusing on the people instead of their arguments. Their arguments is really all you have. Just like with every other industry. Don't buy into the people worshipping and focus on what they say, there is nothing else to go on.

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