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Red, tender gums after 7 days

Commented on April 08, 2014
Created March 21, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I've tried to find something about this topic on PaleoHacks and don't really see much. So maybe here's a new one? I have never had swollen or red gums like this. Just woke up with them today. My lips feel kind of "puffy" too. I've been taking magnesium for the past two days and that helped (I thought!) with water retention and overall well being, sleep. I've been in ketosis for at least three days. Carbs are at about 100mg. Avoiding all nuts except almonds, macadamia, and some cashews. Focus is on lots of green veggies (mainly broccoli and spinach, some green beans,) some red bell peppers, lots of eggs, and the natural fatty meats like bacon, pork, chicken, sardines, and breakfast sausage.

Any ideas? Thank you!

UPDATE: I had thought the Magnesium overdosing was the cause of the swollen gums but now I suspect it may be white potatoes (controversial paleo food, I realize.) I had a decent size portion of (amazing) baked french fries I made (for my kids, mainly) and bam! The next morning swollen gums and hands (joints.) Wow. It is the second day after the potato yumminess and I'm still swollen like this however. Not sure if it would take that long or not to eliminate the ill effects--need to ask y'all. @TheGastronomer

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on April 08, 2014
at 01:59 PM

Thanks @paleot I will check on that! I just know this isn't gingivitis, as logical as that would seem to an outsider. It was overnight onset and my dental hygiene is quite good :-)

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on April 08, 2014
at 01:37 PM

I'm a health practitioner and realize that gum disease is generally considered the cause of red gums, that is why I'm flummoxed. This was sudden onset, overnight. After starting Paleo. Inflammation seems likely but the cause is what I'm trying to nail down. My joints tend to hurt simultaneously so I'm considering that potatoes might be the reason.

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on March 21, 2014
at 06:43 PM

Yeah, for some reason, when I eat nuts (in excess) the fat does tend to dry out my gums and my entire mouth. If it is the macadamias, then you have nothing to worry about, nothing truly serious that is, just try eating them in moderation and drink plenty of water when you do, specially if the macadamias are salted. Salted macadamias literally tear up my gums (I still love them though lol). Good luck :)

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on March 21, 2014
at 06:23 PM

You've got lots of good ideas but I don't think anything's on the mark yet, esp. since all my water has lemon juice (organic!) added. Just remembered that when you mentioned lemon. What was the possible issue w/ cooking or not cooking vegs? I eat them raw, almost always. And you don't think after 7 days I'd wind up with a C deficiency anyway. Have had no walnuts, no chocolate. Wonder what's up? I am going to reduce nuts even though I'm well within the "OK" zone just to ensure they don't interfere w/ weight loss. Maybe somehow macadamia nuts are the culprit with my gums?

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on March 21, 2014
at 06:14 PM

Well, if you're having at least one fruit a day, I don't think Vitamin C deficiency/scurvy is likely, specially since it's only been 7 days, but I guess adding some fresh lemon (lemonade: 1 whole lemon+ water + stevia) or watercress (watercress salad with olive oil + balsamic vinegar) to your diet couldn't hurt. I don't see how you could get into ketosis eating bananas though. Anyways, maybe something you're eating is aggravating your gums, sometimes this happens to me with pecans and other nuts or when I eat a lot of dark chocolate or when I consume really salty things like jerky.

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on March 21, 2014
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Never had gingivitis. This seems strangely overnight. Could vitamin C deficiency happen this quickly? I am definitely eating a lot less fruit and I bet I got lots of C from that (used to have at least a grapefruit a day). Since I'm trying to do ketosis and lose a bit of fat I'm avoiding fruit except one serving--and for the sake of not being starving I've had a half of banana. So the C was also my first thought and I am hoping to supplement with the C packets, unless you have a better suggestion?

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on April 08, 2014
at 10:07 AM

You might want to look into oil pulling. It's paleo-friendly and great for the gums. Traditionally done with sesame oil, but coconut oil is good stuff.

I can't think of a good reason why white potatoes would cause swelling (unless they had some green in them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solanine) But, it's all down to the n=1 stuff. (Maybe the insulin spike caused you to reabsorb a bunch of sodium and puffed up your lips? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1730458)

On this chart, white potatoes are almost off the chart in terms of insulin spike potential (it's the only food listed well over 100):

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsweek/Glycemic_index_and_glycemic_load_for_100_foods.htm

You could try to take a while off from them, then do it again and see what happens.

You might also want to check out tomatoes / eggplants and see how those work for you. Sweet potatoes make great fries. I like to toss mine in hot sauce.

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on April 08, 2014
at 01:59 PM

Thanks @paleot I will check on that! I just know this isn't gingivitis, as logical as that would seem to an outsider. It was overnight onset and my dental hygiene is quite good :-)

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on April 08, 2014
at 10:00 AM

Basically red gums are the signs of gums diseases. If you currently do not floss then you will notice your gums will swell and be tender after you start flossing.

Some of the causes of red gums are as follows:

1) Iron overload

2) Hormonal imbalance

3) Malnutrition

4) Diabetes mellitus

5) Tooth or Gum infection.

Check out for Iron overload.

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on April 08, 2014
at 01:37 PM

I'm a health practitioner and realize that gum disease is generally considered the cause of red gums, that is why I'm flummoxed. This was sudden onset, overnight. After starting Paleo. Inflammation seems likely but the cause is what I'm trying to nail down. My joints tend to hurt simultaneously so I'm considering that potatoes might be the reason.

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on April 07, 2014
at 03:07 PM

Truly I'm only speculating. They were just Yukon white potatoes, olive oil, salt and pepper baked. I tried to research the night shade dilemma that many folks have. Inflammation is listed as an effect. I'm just grasping for causes I suppose.

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on April 07, 2014
at 02:45 PM

Wow, I have no idea. Baked french fries gave you swollen gums and joints? Honestly I have no clue. What ingredients did you use?

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on March 21, 2014
at 05:55 PM

The veggies, do you cook them? Bleeding gums can be caused by several things. Are you getting enough vitamin C? And how is your dental health history, have you suffered from gingivitis?

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on March 21, 2014
at 06:02 PM

Never had gingivitis. This seems strangely overnight. Could vitamin C deficiency happen this quickly? I am definitely eating a lot less fruit and I bet I got lots of C from that (used to have at least a grapefruit a day). Since I'm trying to do ketosis and lose a bit of fat I'm avoiding fruit except one serving--and for the sake of not being starving I've had a half of banana. So the C was also my first thought and I am hoping to supplement with the C packets, unless you have a better suggestion?

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on March 21, 2014
at 06:23 PM

You've got lots of good ideas but I don't think anything's on the mark yet, esp. since all my water has lemon juice (organic!) added. Just remembered that when you mentioned lemon. What was the possible issue w/ cooking or not cooking vegs? I eat them raw, almost always. And you don't think after 7 days I'd wind up with a C deficiency anyway. Have had no walnuts, no chocolate. Wonder what's up? I am going to reduce nuts even though I'm well within the "OK" zone just to ensure they don't interfere w/ weight loss. Maybe somehow macadamia nuts are the culprit with my gums?

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