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Would you eat shmeat?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 19, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I am sure at least a few of you have heard of in vitro meat (dubbed "vat meat" or "Shmeat"). If not here is a link to the wikipedia article

My question: if the labs were able to grow this meat without artificial hormones and antibiotics etc, and if they were able to show that it is just as healthy or MORE healthy than grass fed would you eat it?

Would you even try it?

What are your thoughts on the morality of this? Is it in the same area as veganism and the animals will no longer have us to chew on them and in turn we won't care as much about their habitats?

Personally I would try it, and as long as the health, taste, and cost were in range I could switch to it. If everything else was in line and the price was considerably lower I probably would in fact.

I did search to see if this question was asked and did not find anything. So sorry if it was.

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7fb4e9fb1162999cdd5099fee49dd0a7

on July 23, 2012
at 10:18 AM

Woah! That would be a hard decision to make.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:25 PM

Sh** + Meat = Shmeat. Shmeat is for Schmucks who believe food can be made in a test tube and have no ill side effects!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:24 PM

Sh** + Meat + Shmeat. Shmeat is for Schmucks who believe food can be made in a test tube and have no ill side effects!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:23 PM

Shit + Meat = Shmeat

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:20 PM

Let's see the food industry has tried to or created fake/artificial sweeteners, fake fat, fake caloric products etc. and what have been the results??!! I just don't think we can trick evolution even though humans have been trying for a long time! LOL

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Well you know I think I have just the candidates... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Yeah -- let other people get experimented on first!

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:59 AM

HA! Okay, we'll take enough cows to breed and populate Mars with good cows, but also lots of jerky! ;-)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:28 AM

Except that all the farm animals would die, lol :P

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:26 AM

Wouldn't growing meat it a lab be effectively killing more animals? Cows, chickens, lambs would all be out of a job, and all there land would dissappear. How is that good for them?

07842fbab8730403ef284e655083fe0e

(218)

on July 19, 2012
at 11:04 PM

Have you tried dehydrating them to save space?

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 09:36 PM

I was thinking along those lines too. Can't say if that is for sure what would happen but it seems a reasonable assumption.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 08:04 PM

On another note a thought just occured to me, if you don't eat your shmeat, can you have any shpudding? HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY SHPUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR SHMEAT?!? -- Edited for typo

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 08:03 PM

On another note a thought just occured to me, if you don't eat your shmeat, can you have an shpudding? HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY SHPUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR SHMEAT?!? -- Edited for typo.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 08:02 PM

On another not a thought just occured to me, if you don't eat your shmeat, can you have an shpudding? HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY SHPUDDING IF YOU DON'T EAT YOUR SHMEAT?!?

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 07:46 PM

The only thing I would have to say there, and I could very well be wrong, is that the meat is grown from the stem cells of living animals and then coaxed to grow the way it would in the body, so really it should be the same no? As long as you don't bathe it in nasty chemicals and antibiotics it should be chemically identical I would assume.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 19, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Good point. Scientists are always "discovering" new phytochemicals, antioxidants, and such. Sure, we could mimic the protein/fat/carb breakdown, but what about the myriad micro-substances we don't even know about?

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 19, 2012
at 04:33 PM

It's amazing how much of our food comes from factories and mega-corps :-/

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 19, 2012
at 04:32 PM

@Thrak: I was also thinking about all the pet food. In vitro meat has got to be better than the crap they feed pets now.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Right on! That is pretty much in line with what I was thinking. I imagine good quality grass fed meat would become a speciality (rather like it already is) and grain production would decrease due to the fact that they would only need to grow for misguided humans and not misfed livestock.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:27 PM

I had never heard of this, so thank you for the question.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:15 PM

I agree with your views on the ethics behind it. While I don't intrinsically trust any corporation I do trust in science. I would have to see the published studies and have those in the paleosphere that are smarter than me vette them before I made the leap. Good answer.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:09 PM

Understandable. I am Scottish and raised in a Scottish/Chinese family so there is little in the way of food that disturbs me :)

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:12 PM

No. I don't trust "food" that comes from a factory or a mega-corporation. Something necessary will be missing and/or something we seriously don't need to have in our bodies will be added. I have no problem with the ethics of eating meat so long as the animals are raised in humane and healthy conditions appropriate to their species, and slaughtered with care.

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 19, 2012
at 04:33 PM

It's amazing how much of our food comes from factories and mega-corps :-/

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:15 PM

I agree with your views on the ethics behind it. While I don't intrinsically trust any corporation I do trust in science. I would have to see the published studies and have those in the paleosphere that are smarter than me vette them before I made the leap. Good answer.

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Dc8ec73989c7b37c006f2031dd648a61

on July 19, 2012
at 04:59 PM

I think we assume we know too much about the composition of foods; the compounds that make them healthy.... I am very doubtful that what they are producing is even comparable to natural meat... at this stage...

now onto your question specifically.. if they could somehow show that there were no differences between real meat and the artificial stuff then I would consider it... do we really think that they could determine whether its the same... or that they wouldn't tamper with it to make it "healthier" (and in that process making it far worse)...

I reckon good farmers treating livestock properly and feeding them properly is going to be much better than any in-vitro substitutes for a very long time.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 19, 2012
at 05:12 PM

Good point. Scientists are always "discovering" new phytochemicals, antioxidants, and such. Sure, we could mimic the protein/fat/carb breakdown, but what about the myriad micro-substances we don't even know about?

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 07:46 PM

The only thing I would have to say there, and I could very well be wrong, is that the meat is grown from the stem cells of living animals and then coaxed to grow the way it would in the body, so really it should be the same no? As long as you don't bathe it in nasty chemicals and antibiotics it should be chemically identical I would assume.

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Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 19, 2012
at 04:56 PM

We are inching ever closer to Soylent Green.

Scary, my friends. VERY SCARY.

I'm moving to Mars and I'm taking all the cows I can fit in my space shuttle!

07842fbab8730403ef284e655083fe0e

(218)

on July 19, 2012
at 11:04 PM

Have you tried dehydrating them to save space?

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 12:59 AM

HA! Okay, we'll take enough cows to breed and populate Mars with good cows, but also lots of jerky! ;-)

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C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 19, 2012
at 03:03 PM

I would not. I much prefer my meat to come from a happy animal, as best as possible, and at worst, at least it came from an animal. To me, eating shmeat would be quiet disturbing.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:09 PM

Understandable. I am Scottish and raised in a Scottish/Chinese family so there is little in the way of food that disturbs me :)

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03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

on July 19, 2012
at 03:46 PM

I think it's fantastic, assuming your caveat that it could be shown to be more healthful than grass fed meat.

Think of the lives that could be saved from tainted meat. Mad cow...etc.

Also if it could replace factory farmed meat then even better! The environmental pollution from factory farming is enormous, never mind the suffering of the animals.

Of course the meat lobby would never let this happen :-/

03a4ec34751186201a56da298ac843ce

(4100)

on July 19, 2012
at 04:32 PM

@Thrak: I was also thinking about all the pet food. In vitro meat has got to be better than the crap they feed pets now.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:28 AM

Except that all the farm animals would die, lol :P

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Right on! That is pretty much in line with what I was thinking. I imagine good quality grass fed meat would become a speciality (rather like it already is) and grain production would decrease due to the fact that they would only need to grow for misguided humans and not misfed livestock.

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4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on July 20, 2012
at 05:24 PM

If it were just as healthy and tasty as good quality meat then, yes, why wouldn't you eat it?

However, I expect the chances of this being the case when the product finally comes to market are nil.

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7fb4e9fb1162999cdd5099fee49dd0a7

on July 20, 2012
at 04:22 PM

You know what, give it 40+ years, if consumers haven't grown an udder or hooves - I'm in!

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 21, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Yeah -- let other people get experimented on first!

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 21, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Well you know I think I have just the candidates... http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/21/us/21meat.html

7fb4e9fb1162999cdd5099fee49dd0a7

on July 23, 2012
at 10:18 AM

Woah! That would be a hard decision to make.

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07f28815a1910a2efdd4e46df3cdc6b3

on July 19, 2012
at 10:12 PM

Its scientist wasting time and resources to find a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. What is this solving? What is wrong with grass-fed family farming? Its like when people go on and on, about finding different ways for pest control in farming, the solution is growing up and not being a baby and eating the leafs that have a little hole eaten in them, its not a real problem.

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Ecb90bbbd5a15868b2592d517a4a5e82

on July 19, 2012
at 09:04 PM

No, it's precisely because we care about animals that we eat meat. If we switched to "shmeat" en masse, there would be no pressure to treat farm animals humanely. In fact, most farm animals would be destroyed like trash once they had lost their economic value. This is the sad reality. If we care about animals and the environment, we need to ensure they both have high economic value so there is an incentive to care for them appropriately.

5457372e78a910c00cd1dd579ecbdce3

(1230)

on July 19, 2012
at 09:36 PM

I was thinking along those lines too. Can't say if that is for sure what would happen but it seems a reasonable assumption.

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C4f1a0c70c4e0dea507c2e346c036bbd

on July 19, 2012
at 11:36 PM

I don't like the bastardization of Yiddish either for it. Sounds hipsterish too like tofurkey. Where is Soylent Green?

1
9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on July 19, 2012
at 10:03 PM

If it was actually as nutritious as quality meat i would eat it. But there seems to be a direct relationship between how naturally mest is raised and how good it is for you. Studies have shown thst pastured / free-range / natural meat has many TIMES the nutrients of factory farmed mest. I can only assume that test tube meat would be a further step in the wrong direction.

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A50ca1bb3d72544cb50171bd7b46105c

on July 19, 2012
at 04:15 PM

Well, my initial thought (or problem with it) would be, even if they show studies that it is more healthy than grass fed meat: Will there be any long-term negative effects? Or how can they be a 100% sure, that there is nothing in there that there are no long-term negative effects.

That would be my main reason, why I would be very cautious with it in any way. Though I am also not saying, that I would never try it. As mentioned, it could have a lot of other benefits.

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E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

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on July 20, 2012
at 03:34 PM

I would try to avoid it.

I imagine this kind of product would be engineered to be 'healthy' and pretty homogeonous in texture - a highly processed 'fake food'. It would probably be low in fat - a uniform mass of muscle tissue. Eating it as your main meat source would give you all the disadvantages of eating only lean muscle meat. I can't see them making fatty cuts or organ meat versions of this stuff.

It would also have to be grown on some substrate (made from what? corn? soya?) containing minerals, amino acids and a source of energy for the cells. You'd probably be missing trace minerals and vitamins which come from a real animal ingesting real plant food.

I can't see this stuff being a good idea.

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Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 20, 2012
at 06:31 AM

Answer no: I would prefer not to see all farm animals either killed or driven off their land. I think its more ethical to let them live, than replace them with test tubes.

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Bd142c32b4055224d3191461f1f57520

on July 19, 2012
at 11:17 PM

What the shmeat?!

I couldn't do it. Nothing beats nature. I also think it's unethical to play with the natural balance of life - like how the saying goes, "playing God," or the like. Wasn't this the initial promise of GMOs? Very scary.

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