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Is conventionally grown meat really that toxic?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 14, 2011 at 5:51 PM

Interesting article here: http://donmatesz.blogspot.com/2011/01/practically-primal-guide-to.html Don tracked antibiotic intake in farm animals and found they only seem to consume similar levels, by weight as humans. Plus said animals must undergo a detox period before slaughter. Testing found pesticide levels as not detectable or MUCH lower than your typical piece of organic cabbage. That's because vegetables contain high levels of natural pesticides (because they don't want to be eaten) whereas animal flesh does not. Hopefully, Don will also have time to address hormones. We have all heard that conventionally grown meat is loaded with nasty toxins, but is it really that bad? I would still feel that grass fed would be ideal, but I do think it might be wise to test our assumptions and overall perspective on the dangers of conventional meat. Grassfed is expensive and not everyone can easily afford it. How much should the average omniverous paleo eater be concerned with the dangers of conventionally grown meat? What good evidence exists for that concern or lack thereof?

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on March 31, 2012
at 11:26 PM

yes, theyre just naturally angry and aggressive, etc.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 05:52 PM

I agree that meat...on its own though IS paleo. So from a standnpoint of avoiding direct consumption of grain, yes, it's paleo. Perhaps it's just similar to those "do I eat dairy or not" things (those that do it are still paleo).

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 05:49 PM

Tradiationally raised meat (at least in the United States) is basically raised in a CAFO fashion with unnatural diet for the animals, forced growth, poor living conditons, etc. If paleo is about avoiding grain and eating more natural, how is eating an animal that ate grain that lived in very unnatural conditions that different? Perhaps I feel a little too strongly though so I'll simmer down:)

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on March 30, 2012
at 02:26 PM

CAFO meat is less paleo than traditionally raised meat, it is not NOT paleo. Paleo is a spectrum, not a dichotomy.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on March 30, 2012
at 01:17 PM

I think if they had an enlarged amygdala from eating fast food that would have to be on record somewhere, it's hard to ballpark those kinds of things from seeing people on the street.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 09:07 AM

I love this so much!

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 08:41 AM

Yay! Same, I make changes in my life in order to afford humanely raised meat. It's like..if you can't afford to tip, don't eat out.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 08:40 AM

@Shari, loved your comment. It absolutely makes sense to want a natural lifestyle for the animals we eat. It's not just about the "toxins"...it's about the quality of life they lived.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on August 24, 2011
at 11:33 PM

@dsohei, what about the "inner city" kids of east asian descent? If you "walk through a neighborhood and use your eyes" you'll see hard working kids. Yes there are asian gangs but many of the kids whose parents work in liquor stores go to university and get white collar job. I agree that food can modify behavior but there culture is also an important element.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on July 21, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Same here. I moved out to the country and I look way healthier than when I lived in the city.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 05:55 PM

never, or when all cows live like him.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 05:15 PM

grassfed meat is always billed as "lean" as this has the largest market. Only old tom bombadill the reclusive farmer with his 3 cows could raise fatty meat and still make ends meet.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 05:11 PM

"It never rains in southern california"-Tony, Tone, Toni

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on April 25, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Eva I agree with your statement that extremes make it hard for others to take us seriously but how is it "extreme" to want for the animals we eat to eat their natural biologic diet and to live healthy lives? It seems to me that living a Paleo lifestyle should include a desire for a paleo lifestyle for the animals that we eat.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on April 13, 2011
at 06:22 PM

if you want concrete evidence.. walk through a neighborhood and use your eyes. you really think any of those people will let you test their neuro-transmitters or the functioning of their pre-frontal cortex? if you know enough about human development, both physiological and psychological, you can see it clearly.

C074eec3b3c0325ef3018a128111823a

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:39 PM

I also take some issue with the term "conventionally grown", though it's common here. Perhaps "industrially grown" would be better, but that too has some inaccuracy (even cottage farmers are an industry).

C074eec3b3c0325ef3018a128111823a

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:34 PM

see also http://paleohacks.com/questions/32598/does-anyone-eat-organic-pasture-raised-meat-for-the-primary-purpose-of-animal-tr/ Several answers here seem to be addressing that concern, and the broader question of "why do you prefer to eat ..?"

C074eec3b3c0325ef3018a128111823a

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:29 PM

(Meta) This would be a much better answer with cited references for the assertions about those kids. Concrete evidence of that kind would be useful for us all in discussions with others.

C074eec3b3c0325ef3018a128111823a

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:22 PM

Spot on, Eva, as ever!

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on April 12, 2011
at 08:26 PM

thanks, i forgot i even wrote this... lol

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 12, 2011
at 11:36 AM

I removed my upvote, so that I could click upvote again. Love this answer.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on April 12, 2011
at 11:35 AM

when will you eat him?

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

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on February 02, 2011
at 09:33 PM

He's beautiful!

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on February 02, 2011
at 01:49 AM

CSA, mail order, cow share, freezer.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on February 02, 2011
at 01:48 AM

no, it isn't - you have to get clever and figure it out.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 21, 2011
at 06:41 AM

Hard to find the grassfed meat that is also full of fat!

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 21, 2011
at 06:39 AM

I think it bares considering that the more extreme the eating style, the harder it will be for others to take it seriously. So if we are going to make a BIG deal about the need to eat grassfed, I want to make sure we have our facts straight.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 16, 2011
at 12:29 AM

I live in southern California, chaparral desert country. There is no large animal grazing areas near here. Most of it is housing. The rest is desert. About 3 hours from here exists some grazing land, but the land is poor and those animals are always finished on corn. In order to obtain grassfed, the closest I know of is about 8 hours north, actually much further than sources of cornfinished meat. If the argument is to buy from local farmers, in my area, that precludes purchase of grassfed. And I don't plan to quit my job and move just to get grassfed meat locally.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on January 15, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Sorry feeling sarcastic this morning :)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

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on January 15, 2011
at 02:31 PM

You know what our ancestors did? Moved or ranged further. Where do you live that they don't have wild meat, the sahara?

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:22 PM

@Eva yeah that's what i was trying to say. Thanks :)

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Andy, thank you for posting those links. Just the kind of thing I like to read.

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on January 14, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Hi Lurene.. This is a great paper discussing the differences between grass and grain fed beef: http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10 You'll find the O3:O6 comparssions in table 2: http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10/table/T2 ..as you can see, quite a dramatic difference.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 09:01 PM

It wasn't an article. I heard it on one of Jimmy's encore week interviews(http://goo.gl/nnAJ4 @54:40). Kurt Harris is pretty down to earth, and believe me, if you are paranoid about all this Paleo thing than he's the one to listen to. You'll get slapped right and left ;)

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 14, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Melissa, thank you. I appreciate you posting the info. That was new one for me. :)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on January 14, 2011
at 08:09 PM

CAFO = Confined Animal Feeding Operations

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on January 14, 2011
at 07:59 PM

Eva, thanks for posting that. I couldn't follow his comment. If you are still online, could you decipher "cafo" for me? Thanks. Hope you are doing very well. :)

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 14, 2011
at 07:54 PM

There are no local farmers around here growing large grassfed animals because the low rainfall does not support enough grass to make it practical.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 14, 2011
at 07:50 PM

I think what Flavio was trying to say is that although commercial meat has a poor n3 to n6 ratio, it actually doesn't have much of either in it. Even the amount of n6 is low. If worried about n3/n6, it would be far more effective to cut out nuts and eat more fish.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on January 14, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Lurene, I do not know the exact page Flavio referred to but here is this: Number Eight of Dr. Harris' steps: 8. Adjust your 6s and 3s. Pastured (grass fed) dairy and grass fed beef or bison has a more optimal 6:3 ratio, more vitamins and CLA. A teaspoon or two of Carlson's fish oil (1-2 g DHA/EPA) daily is good compensatory supplementation if you eat grain-fed beef or no fish. At Dr. Harris', "Get Started" page: http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/ Reading Dr. Harris' remarks in the comments is of use, too. Hope this helps.

00fe9c58f7020500007bd5f9638747fa

on January 14, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Could you link to this information? I was under the impression that ideally, one didn't want to have to suppliment n3 because it still puts an oxidative stress on the body to do so.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 06:33 PM

As Dr Kurt Harris says, cafo meat is not high in omega 6, it's just low in omega 3, which is quite different in my opinion. And i assume the optimal ratio can be easily obtained by eating fish or other omega 3 foods...

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 06:31 PM

As Dr Kurt Harris says, cafo meat is not high in omega 6, it's just low in omega 3, which is quite different in my opinion. And the optimal ratio can be obtained by eating fish or other omega 3 sources...

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D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on January 14, 2011
at 06:57 PM

I too read this and felt relief as it affords households like mine, which subsist almost entirely on conventionally raised meats, a bit of grace.

As Flavio mentioned, offsetting the cafo O3/O6 imbalance with fish intake may be a decent compromise in this case as well.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 21, 2011
at 06:39 AM

I think it bares considering that the more extreme the eating style, the harder it will be for others to take it seriously. So if we are going to make a BIG deal about the need to eat grassfed, I want to make sure we have our facts straight.

C074eec3b3c0325ef3018a128111823a

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on April 12, 2011
at 09:22 PM

Spot on, Eva, as ever!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on April 25, 2011
at 01:42 AM

Eva I agree with your statement that extremes make it hard for others to take us seriously but how is it "extreme" to want for the animals we eat to eat their natural biologic diet and to live healthy lives? It seems to me that living a Paleo lifestyle should include a desire for a paleo lifestyle for the animals that we eat.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:40 AM

@Shari, loved your comment. It absolutely makes sense to want a natural lifestyle for the animals we eat. It's not just about the "toxins"...it's about the quality of life they lived.

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on February 02, 2011
at 08:12 PM

Personally, I don't like the fact that feedlots exist and choose to vote with my dollar and support farms with good practices whose animals probably enjoy their lives before their swift deaths and slaughter. I have a pet F1 Brahman x Hereford cross steer (Bruno) who eats only grass, hay, and the occasional apple that falls off a tree and I would much prefer that the animals I eat lived as he does.

Incidentally, this is Bruno:

is-conventionally-grown-meat-really-that-toxic?

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

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on February 02, 2011
at 09:33 PM

He's beautiful!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 12, 2011
at 11:35 AM

when will you eat him?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 21, 2011
at 05:55 PM

never, or when all cows live like him.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 09:07 AM

I love this so much!

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on April 12, 2011
at 05:08 AM

no mention of bleach and ammonia which, putting aside flavor, environmental reasons and ethical ones, is a large factor in why i think conventional meat really is that toxic.

Chickens are dipped in bleach, sides of beef treated with ammonia, and lots of ground beef from huge food suppliers contains ammonia. Ammonia burger anyone? I made the mistake of trying to clean something with ammonia once, years ago, and it quickly became clear to me I can't be in the same room with the fumes. It messed my breathing up pretty badly. Why all the ammonia? They think their meat might contain E Coli. Even after treatment, it's way more likely to. I don't want to eat that!

Plus the inside of the places they house these animals are filled with noxious gases like ammonia and these animals are breathing this stuff all day long. Of course it will find its way into their tissues. Pork houses are notorious for it and so is chicken. I don't want to eat that.

Antibiotics are trickier; obviously there are superbugs developing and people see it's a bad idea to try to cover bad animal husbandry up with antibiotics. However, there are some producers who sell "antibiotic-hormone free" pork at a premium price when in reality they are still keeping the animals in unsanitary conditions and just work in a certain percentage of sick animal die off into their operating costs.

If I didn't buy locally farmed meats (which is not always more expensive if you're buying right from the farmer's front door or if you buy a 1/4 or half animal and freeze it) I don't think I could eat as much meat as I do.

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Fd504de9b242f4cd7009db70af5e2121

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on January 14, 2011
at 07:43 PM

something ot consider is do you want to spend your money in support of petro chemical style agriculture or local farmers?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 14, 2011
at 07:54 PM

There are no local farmers around here growing large grassfed animals because the low rainfall does not support enough grass to make it practical.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on January 15, 2011
at 02:31 PM

You know what our ancestors did? Moved or ranged further. Where do you live that they don't have wild meat, the sahara?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on January 15, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Sorry feeling sarcastic this morning :)

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on January 16, 2011
at 12:29 AM

I live in southern California, chaparral desert country. There is no large animal grazing areas near here. Most of it is housing. The rest is desert. About 3 hours from here exists some grazing land, but the land is poor and those animals are always finished on corn. In order to obtain grassfed, the closest I know of is about 8 hours north, actually much further than sources of cornfinished meat. If the argument is to buy from local farmers, in my area, that precludes purchase of grassfed. And I don't plan to quit my job and move just to get grassfed meat locally.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on February 02, 2011
at 01:49 AM

CSA, mail order, cow share, freezer.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 05:11 PM

"It never rains in southern california"-Tony, Tone, Toni

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on February 02, 2011
at 07:39 PM

Aside from the antibiotic angle, cafo meat is an animal that lived its entire life in a highly stressed state of forced confinement and was brutally slaughtered. Even if you don't think about what that does to the animals, that is going to affect the meat.

Humanely raised and slaughtered meat is harder to find and more expensive. But, it tastes better for a reason - it's better for you.

Even my husband - who eats what I feed him at home, but eats SAD lunches at work - can tell the difference since we switched to humane meat.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 08:41 AM

Yay! Same, I make changes in my life in order to afford humanely raised meat. It's like..if you can't afford to tip, don't eat out.

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on January 14, 2011
at 06:26 PM

As far as I'm concerned, the problem with cafo meat is not the antibiotics (when you eat it, although, they ARE destroying the effectiveness of antibiotics by breeding resistant bacteria) but rather the fact that these grain fed meats end up being incredibly high in n6 (omega 6) fatty acids, which are pro inflammatory. This, combined with the vegetable oils we consume explains why we end up with a 1:20 or 1:30 sometimes ratio of 3:6 rather than the ancestral levels of 1:2 or 1:1. This accounts for all of our inflammatory issues.

Further, the grain feeding creates a highly acidic environment in the animals stomachs which gives rise to acid resistant e. coli bacteria which then kills children when they eat at jack in the box.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 14, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Melissa, thank you. I appreciate you posting the info. That was new one for me. :)

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 06:31 PM

As Dr Kurt Harris says, cafo meat is not high in omega 6, it's just low in omega 3, which is quite different in my opinion. And the optimal ratio can be obtained by eating fish or other omega 3 sources...

00fe9c58f7020500007bd5f9638747fa

on January 14, 2011
at 06:59 PM

Could you link to this information? I was under the impression that ideally, one didn't want to have to suppliment n3 because it still puts an oxidative stress on the body to do so.

E34fbfa1bca9ae970c9c7313bf9de9f8

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on January 14, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Hi Lurene.. This is a great paper discussing the differences between grass and grain fed beef: http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10 You'll find the O3:O6 comparssions in table 2: http://www.nutritionj.com/content/9/1/10/table/T2 ..as you can see, quite a dramatic difference.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on January 14, 2011
at 08:09 PM

CAFO = Confined Animal Feeding Operations

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:22 PM

@Eva yeah that's what i was trying to say. Thanks :)

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 14, 2011
at 07:16 PM

Lurene, I do not know the exact page Flavio referred to but here is this: Number Eight of Dr. Harris' steps: 8. Adjust your 6s and 3s. Pastured (grass fed) dairy and grass fed beef or bison has a more optimal 6:3 ratio, more vitamins and CLA. A teaspoon or two of Carlson's fish oil (1-2 g DHA/EPA) daily is good compensatory supplementation if you eat grain-fed beef or no fish. At Dr. Harris', "Get Started" page: http://www.paleonu.com/get-started/ Reading Dr. Harris' remarks in the comments is of use, too. Hope this helps.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 14, 2011
at 07:50 PM

I think what Flavio was trying to say is that although commercial meat has a poor n3 to n6 ratio, it actually doesn't have much of either in it. Even the amount of n6 is low. If worried about n3/n6, it would be far more effective to cut out nuts and eat more fish.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

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on January 14, 2011
at 11:17 PM

Andy, thank you for posting those links. Just the kind of thing I like to read.

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

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on January 14, 2011
at 06:33 PM

As Dr Kurt Harris says, cafo meat is not high in omega 6, it's just low in omega 3, which is quite different in my opinion. And i assume the optimal ratio can be easily obtained by eating fish or other omega 3 foods...

F910318b9aa27b91bcf7881f39b9eabe

(1164)

on January 14, 2011
at 09:01 PM

It wasn't an article. I heard it on one of Jimmy's encore week interviews(http://goo.gl/nnAJ4 @54:40). Kurt Harris is pretty down to earth, and believe me, if you are paranoid about all this Paleo thing than he's the one to listen to. You'll get slapped right and left ;)

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on January 14, 2011
at 07:59 PM

Eva, thanks for posting that. I couldn't follow his comment. If you are still online, could you decipher "cafo" for me? Thanks. Hope you are doing very well. :)

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on January 15, 2011
at 05:26 AM

I think you need to make sure your selected Paleo eating style (high or moderate fat intake) matches the type of meats you select if you are concerned about the 3 to 6 ratios. If you're eating grass fed, you can go with richer cuts of meat. I think as long as you select leaner cuts of traditional meats, you're probably fine. I believe the greatest benefits of Paleo come from what we remove from our diet (grains, dairy and beans) and sweating the small details simply adds too much stress to your eating habits.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on January 21, 2011
at 06:41 AM

Hard to find the grassfed meat that is also full of fat!

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on February 02, 2011
at 01:48 AM

no, it isn't - you have to get clever and figure it out.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 21, 2011
at 05:15 PM

grassfed meat is always billed as "lean" as this has the largest market. Only old tom bombadill the reclusive farmer with his 3 cows could raise fatty meat and still make ends meet.

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78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

on March 30, 2012
at 09:00 AM

People already commented on this...but I'm not sure why people think they are living a paleo lifestyle when they are eating animals waddling in their own feces, having body parts hacked off and eating food that is not designed for their bodies (grain).

If we care so much about health and being "natural", we should put healthy animals into our bodies.

Grass-fed is not that expensive if you budget. People have mentioned this before. It is a few dollars more (and I've seen less in the United States) than conventionally raised beef. If you're going to eat beef, I suggest you just make lifestyle changes to make up for that extra few dollars. Instead of buying organic apples, opt for a fruit on the clean 15 to save money. Same for vegetables. Buy in bulk. Buy in season. Freeze things on sale.

CAFO meat is NOT paleo.

Somebody is probably going to stab me in my sleep, so I'll stop ranting for now.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

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on March 30, 2012
at 05:52 PM

I agree that meat...on its own though IS paleo. So from a standnpoint of avoiding direct consumption of grain, yes, it's paleo. Perhaps it's just similar to those "do I eat dairy or not" things (those that do it are still paleo).

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on March 30, 2012
at 02:26 PM

CAFO meat is less paleo than traditionally raised meat, it is not NOT paleo. Paleo is a spectrum, not a dichotomy.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:49 PM

Tradiationally raised meat (at least in the United States) is basically raised in a CAFO fashion with unnatural diet for the animals, forced growth, poor living conditons, etc. If paleo is about avoiding grain and eating more natural, how is eating an animal that ate grain that lived in very unnatural conditions that different? Perhaps I feel a little too strongly though so I'll simmer down:)

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on July 21, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Physiognomically as well as as behaviorally. Inner city people look rather unhealthy compared to those who have thrived in the coutryside for most of their lives. Personally I grew up in the country, lived in the city for approx. 7 years and found my health and physical structures(skin elasticity, tautness, that 'glow of health') to have worsened in that environment. Thank god for my future country paleo-friendly f+rm I will be stablishing soon

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on July 21, 2011
at 06:15 PM

Same here. I moved out to the country and I look way healthier than when I lived in the city.

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on February 02, 2011
at 01:56 AM

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05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on April 12, 2011
at 08:26 PM

thanks, i forgot i even wrote this... lol

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(22913)

on April 12, 2011
at 11:36 AM

I removed my upvote, so that I could click upvote again. Love this answer.

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(1012)

on April 12, 2011
at 09:29 PM

(Meta) This would be a much better answer with cited references for the assertions about those kids. Concrete evidence of that kind would be useful for us all in discussions with others.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on April 13, 2011
at 06:22 PM

if you want concrete evidence.. walk through a neighborhood and use your eyes. you really think any of those people will let you test their neuro-transmitters or the functioning of their pre-frontal cortex? if you know enough about human development, both physiological and psychological, you can see it clearly.

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(2437)

on August 24, 2011
at 11:33 PM

@dsohei, what about the "inner city" kids of east asian descent? If you "walk through a neighborhood and use your eyes" you'll see hard working kids. Yes there are asian gangs but many of the kids whose parents work in liquor stores go to university and get white collar job. I agree that food can modify behavior but there culture is also an important element.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:17 PM

I think if they had an enlarged amygdala from eating fast food that would have to be on record somewhere, it's hard to ballpark those kinds of things from seeing people on the street.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on March 31, 2012
at 11:26 PM

yes, theyre just naturally angry and aggressive, etc.

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