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Why does everyone assume that starchy vegetables are more nutrient dense than grains

Commented on October 25, 2013
Created October 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

for peoples questioning why I would even suppose the opposite, go onto chronometer and enter in hard red wheat berries vs say, a plantain. I just did, and for 20% of my daily calorie intake worth of plantains, I get 20% of my daily minimum nutrient intakes, however, 20% of my daily calories worth of hard red wheat supply's 35% of my daily nutrient intakes. And concerning phytic acid, if you soak wheat berries at 114 degrees with a few tablespoons of raw cider vinegar, you can effectively reduce the phytic acid to zero In a few hours. Not saying that anybody should SAD levels of grains nor should anybody eat grains if they can't Handle them, just putting it out there that properly prepared flourless grains are not only neutral, but fairly nutritious.

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on October 25, 2013
at 06:06 PM

then take it easy, even plantains have a lot more micros than wheat. Wheat micros are replicated in meat, while meat micros are not replicated in wheat. plantain micros are not replicated in meat, which is why the full carnivores will end up with a lot of health problems.

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on October 25, 2013
at 03:39 PM

Link is not posting; check Bob's Red Mill Bulgur. Vitamins are low compared to sweet potatoes.

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on October 25, 2013
at 03:33 PM

This is a fairer comparison than white flour.

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:25 PM

+1, people dont avoid grains because of their nutrition content, they avoid them because of the gluten. although safe-grains like rice are shockingly low in nutrition.

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:37 AM

good luck with that one CDone. but don't be too hard on the kid, he's/she's only 13

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:31 AM

a plantain is not a very good example of a starchy vegetable...as it is not a vegetable, it's a fruit...

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:04 AM

And organic whole wheat berries is not even the same thing as refined empty calorie wheat flour

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:03 AM

Self nutrition data.com has the info, and chrono meter shows nutrient intakes vs amount of calories. And to compare sweet potatoes to white flour as if plantains are the equivalent to empty calories in my comparison, then your wrong.

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on October 25, 2013
at 12:22 AM

Please provide your source for micronutrient value. I cannot find any legit sources.

Also, please provide your source for 114 degrees will reduce phytic acid to zero. I cannot find a single laboratory evaluation of the phytic acid level of wheat berries.

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on October 25, 2013
at 12:11 AM

properly prepared grains and legumes are perfectly acceptible. But there are a lot of better options out there

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on October 24, 2013
at 11:35 PM

Micro nutrients are what I'm referencing to and talking about

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on October 25, 2013
at 12:00 PM

Well you aren't eating raw, soaked hard red wheat kernels, and nobody else who is eating grains is eating that either. They are eating processed, genetically modified high-gluten grains probably with lots of sugar. Most of the nutrition information you see about grains are actually about raw grains, not cooked. Also, the nutrition information discounts the negative effect that gluten has on a lot of people.

The Nourishing Traditions diet includes traditionally / nutritiously prepared grains and suggests that this can be a healthy diet. I personally tried it and had all the same problems as I did with other grains. For me, dropping grains entirely was what made a big difference.

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:25 PM

+1, people dont avoid grains because of their nutrition content, they avoid them because of the gluten. although safe-grains like rice are shockingly low in nutrition.

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on October 25, 2013
at 03:03 AM

Are you looking at nutritional data for cooked or raw grains?

There is often significant disparity between each form.

http://youtu.be/HwbY12qZcF4?t=27m7s

http://youtu.be/HwbY12qZcF4?t=39m29s

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on October 25, 2013
at 12:06 AM

Why does everyone assume a truck is slower than a car.

Let's take a forumla truck and compare it to say a hyundai elantra.

Now lets compare a sweet potato with white flour.

Sweet potato (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2668/2) gives you 1033% Vitamin A, 70% Vitamin C, 13% Iron, and hordes of other stuff.

White flour (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/9255/2) gives you none.

At comparable caloric intake (150 kCal).

Sweet potato gives you A, C whereas Red Wheat Berries give you none.

They have comparable Calcium and Iron

I cannot find an micro nutrient profile for hard red wheat berries other than, "Wheat berries are rich in vitamins B1 and B3; and the minerals magnesium, phosphorus, copper, manganese and selenium"

Of course Sweet potatoes are "rich" in thoes as well.

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:04 AM

And organic whole wheat berries is not even the same thing as refined empty calorie wheat flour

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on October 25, 2013
at 02:03 AM

Self nutrition data.com has the info, and chrono meter shows nutrient intakes vs amount of calories. And to compare sweet potatoes to white flour as if plantains are the equivalent to empty calories in my comparison, then your wrong.

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56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on October 24, 2013
at 11:22 PM

I think people mean micro-nutrient dense. More potassium, more vitamins, more calcium. Of course grains are more calorie-dense and also protein-dense and even fat-dense, although there is little fat in them.

14b8422e9b449a21e06fa3349953d4f7

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on October 24, 2013
at 11:35 PM

Micro nutrients are what I'm referencing to and talking about

56c28e3654d4dd8a8abdb2c1f525202e

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on October 25, 2013
at 06:06 PM

then take it easy, even plantains have a lot more micros than wheat. Wheat micros are replicated in meat, while meat micros are not replicated in wheat. plantain micros are not replicated in meat, which is why the full carnivores will end up with a lot of health problems.

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