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Should I add grains back in to make a semi-paleo plan for my decimated hormones?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 19, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Hey, guys, I posted back in July about paleo foods making me sick and have since gone to the doctor and arrived here again. To ask a new question. My results came back as negative for all food allergies (that I was tested for, including whey, casein, and eggs) and my allergist suggested a gastrointestinal specialist, as he couldn't test for in tolerances there. I'm going to hole off on that other appointment, because the fact is, for me, veggies and fruits have made me feel off even before paleo, and whatever's up, it probably isn't going to change anyway. Which brings us, almost, to my main question. Paleo has done a lot for me, and I want to keep eating this way, but I'm at the point where Neolithic foods disgust or don't appeal to me but fruits and veggies on Paleo make me sick. Paleo also has me fatigued, basically turned my reproductive system off, and has me pudgy in a few places, which absolutely never happened (or happens- cheated for a two days with grains and junk at a friend's birthday and actually lost weight, yes that fast, and shot up in energy) on the SAD diet. Vegetables and "healthy" things have always made me soften up in my stomach, even in small quantities. Undeniably, grains (or carbs) make me feel much better; incredible energy, happiness, lean body, soothed and attentive mind, and fabulous baby making instincts (that I do not act on, mind you). I don't crash unless it's sugary. The solution seems easy- eat more potatoes and other paleo carbs, right? Except those make me feel sick and run down too. I feel worse after eating a white or sweet potato than I do after three big bowls of ice cream. Honestly, only bananas and green beans don't make me feel bad (along with onions and garlic, but those are grouped with spices for me) in the way of produce. So, Paleohackers, keeping in mind the insane amount of words above, do you think I should add back in whole grains or rice and live off a diet of meat, eggs, green beans, bananas and rice/grains? If so, is there a preferred rice or grain? I have acne that flares to white flour and grains, sweeteners (honey, white sugar, brown sugar, stevia), large quantities of potatoes, olive oil, coconut oil, coconut milk, fruits except a banana or two, caffeine and likely continuous amounts of other vegetables. I don't know about whole grain, because I never liked it before. Without cheating and staying away from those foods, I'm clear, but still remain run down, soft in the stomach, lack the need to carry on my bloodline, and generally just feel shoddy. Sorry for the long post- I really need to learn to summarize. Thanks!

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on September 26, 2012
at 11:04 PM

And you start off with none of the vegetables or fruits- part of the point is to make it so you could potentially eat those some day. So hopefully with really effective gut healing the things you can't eat now you could eat in the future.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on September 26, 2012
at 11:03 PM

I don't know, if you haven't read the book it might help to push you to try it again. You can usually buy marrow bones/knuckle marked for dogs (I have been able to buy them wherever I have lived) and if there is any ethnic area of your town you will be able to track down some chicken feet.

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(831)

on September 25, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Wild Yam worked great for me. I use one I got at Whole Foods called: Wild Yam-E salve by WiseWays herbals. I have also used Source Naturals Progesterone Cream and it worked fine too but took longer to take effect.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

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on September 25, 2012
at 05:55 PM

To answer-Gluten free bread. (Udi) like one piece with my eggs. Pancakes, usually made from a gluten free mix with a little honey or maple syrup. Gluten free oatmeal. Usually one or two servings of those. Plain yogurt with a little honey drizzled over is another one that I eat sometimes. An extra serving of fruit.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:45 PM

What about something like Rice Beverage or the rice frozen dessert. That usually has 20 or more grams of carbs, is mostly liquid so it isn't going to leave you over full feeling for long. The frozen dessert roughly (depending on brand) with 26g of carbs and 9g of fat. 160 calories.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:35 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't let them talk you into a scrip for prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts. If you choose bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

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on September 25, 2012
at 05:34 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't let them talk you into a scrip for prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts. If you choose bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy. – CJ 0 secs ago – CJ 0 secs ago

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't let them talk you into a scrip for prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts. They may consider depoprovera (I wouldn't do that either) If you choose bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy. – CJ 0 secs ago

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:30 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't use prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts and if you use bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy.

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on September 25, 2012
at 04:39 PM

Just save the bones from your meat in the freezer, and when you have a few pounds worth make broth. A chicken carcass plus a few wings, thighs, etc. makes a rich broth. If you have a crockpot, throw your bones in there with some celery, onion, and carrot, cover with water and a splash of apple cider vinegar or juice of 1/2 lemon. Cover and let it go on low up to 24 hours. You can do this in a big pot on the stove. It should be a gentle simmer, not a rolling boil. If all you have is conventional bones and meat, that's still better than no broth.

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on September 25, 2012
at 02:29 AM

Oh, I forgot- I don't know about vitamin D, but it's likely, as I don't get outside much and don't currently take a multivitamin. Exercise wise, little to none. I don't have the energy a lot of the time. However, I've been trying to increase carbs this last week and improved a mild amount, to where I've gone out and put my Mongoose bike to use to release some of my new energy. Not for long- usually about ten minutes, two or three times a day, ranging from light to hard, but honestly, that's a big improvement from before. I'd originally been spending 95% of my time in bed because of low energy.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 02:14 AM

I just did a quick check on low (and high, just to be thorough) estrogen symptoms and causes before answering to make sure it was a decent reply. Honestly, it looks like a biig possibility. The low more than high. What kind of wild yam cream did you use, if you don't mind? It seems yams are also helpful for low estrogen. After replying, I'm definitely going to look more into it and the natural treatments. Thank you! I never would've thought to check it out.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

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on September 25, 2012
at 02:05 AM

No, but I've wanted to. There are so many brands and types, it's overwhelming deciding which to choose. I hadn't thought of it just being an issue digesting though. I was thinking off every complicated, incurable thing I could find. I drink lemon/lime water fairly regularly and find it helps, so maybe the digestive enzymes could be greatly beneficial. Thanks for the very helpful answer and recommending a brand! I'll definitely work on getting some, preferably the NOW brand, hopefully this week.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 02:01 AM

And how much, if you don't mind my asking? As it is, I'm trying to hit 100 carbs a day and only managing 50 or 60 if I'm lucky, with a sweet potato and bananas. The sweet potato makes me crazy full. I have a new respect for paleo high carbers. I've definitely slept better, had better moods, and some more energy, but I'm not quite great still. Just decent. Thank you very much! You significantly helped me out. I really appreciate it. I'll check out the book, too. And I'm sorry about the accident. I wish you the best.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

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on September 25, 2012
at 01:55 AM

For about two months, I ate a diet that mostly consisted of only meat and fats because I was so scared of getting sick off vegetables and such again, so I'm not sure that's the problem. I used to thrive on milk, but now I get a pretty bad reaction to it. Yet commercial ice cream, with all its sugary milk, and additives doesn't make me feel bad. I wonder why that is? Maybe because the milk is likely reheated in the ice cream making process? What kind of carb and grain sources did you eat,

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:52 AM

Really? My brother-in-law had his birthday last week, so I had some cake, then my niece made two rounds of brownies, and I can say, beyond a doubt, that refined grains and sugar are not options for me. I don't entirely remember what else I ate that was grains and low sugar, but I definitely think I'd end up somewhere similar. Plus being epically ballooned and overall miserable. Thank you for your answer! Yours was the main one that made me decide no grains after all.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

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on September 25, 2012
at 01:48 AM

I started to, but making bone broth is an ordeal I couldn't keep up, because apparently a lot of suppliers around here don't keep the bones. Something about a health risk. Also, virtually every vegetable and fruit available on the diet causes a reaction except bananas and green beans. Thank you though.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:46 AM

I can drink up to 16 oz of orange juice before it breaks me out and wreaks havoc on my digestive system. Thanks, Anon!

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:45 AM

I take a multivitamin when I can, but because I stubbornly refuse to take one that has a bunch of added sugar and junk, I tend to go periods without when I run out, as the nearest place to buy an eligible multivitamin is in the next town and it takes work to get my older parents to get me there. It's been a month, maybe a month and a half, since my last multivitamin. I get plenty of fats. A sickening amount, honestly. Pearls as in literal pearls or a supplement? Thanks so much for your answers!

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:40 AM

Unfortunately, I live in a small town and the nearest Whole Foods is an hour away. Would Publix or Krogers offer them? There's a grass fed beef supplier about half an hour away, but I for the life of me cannot convince my parents to buy from them. I'm eating hamburger meat, steak, sausage, chicken breast, and boneless pork chops as far as boneless meat goes. I've considered saving the bones from chicken and such for broth before, but I don't know how to do it. Do conventional birds and beef have enough nutritional value in the bones to be worth the effort?

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on September 23, 2012
at 08:27 PM

try orange juice instead

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on September 23, 2012
at 07:54 PM

Keep digging, dont give up!

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on September 23, 2012
at 07:54 PM

i am sensitive to in a packaged food. (like if I eat a processed type of sausage there is something in there that messes up my guts for about 10 days unless i start on kombucha or pearls (adds beneficial bacteria to your digestive tract (amazon the cheapest).

Ab19df3ededa28f7bf7daeba8435b205

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on September 23, 2012
at 07:53 PM

when i started paleo I felt great the first two weekds then over the next 3 months battled exhaustion off and on. I have been primal (for me means including cream butter yogurt) and have been able to lose weight. Do you take any vitamin supplements? are you low on vit d? possibly consider looking in to that for mood. are you exercising, if so what do you do? are you getting enough good fats? I had to straighten out my guts by drinking a 1/2 bottle of GT Kombucha twice a week and taking Pearls (now I only do this when I get backed up, which before was so often. now its only if i get something

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on September 20, 2012
at 07:15 AM

Pretty simple answer to long question ;).

C6f441a3410394366ef567ebe2d55d00

on September 19, 2012
at 06:11 PM

I wish I could "up-vote" this twice

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

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on September 19, 2012
at 06:09 PM

Bone broth has to be the best way in the world to stretch a dollar. I buy a bag of grass fed beef bones for $3 at WF and it makes more than a gallon of broth. I can stretch a roast chicken out to feed my family of four two hearty meals PLUS broth from the carcass. What are you eating Meat wise without bones?

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 19, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Most likely, but I can't get tested for now. I've looked at the GAPS diet many times, but the problems are that most of the foods on the Recommended list make me sick and I'm not in a position to buy bones and such for broths :/. Thanks for your answer.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 19, 2012
at 04:46 PM

My dad's side has a lot of problems with sugar, even with fruit. Veggies and such have just made me sick since May (when I started Paleo) unless in very small quantities, and in some things, even a bite triggers it.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

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on September 19, 2012
at 04:44 PM

I've been paleo since May, if not late April. I've gone a few weeks without cheats before, up to two months, but I didn't keep track.

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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on September 19, 2012
at 04:43 PM

NO.

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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on September 20, 2012
at 07:15 AM

Pretty simple answer to long question ;).

C6f441a3410394366ef567ebe2d55d00

on September 19, 2012
at 06:11 PM

I wish I could "up-vote" this twice

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518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on September 24, 2012
at 03:19 AM

HAVE YOU TRIED GAPS? All caps lock, because everything you have written makes you sound like the ideal candidate.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:48 AM

I started to, but making bone broth is an ordeal I couldn't keep up, because apparently a lot of suppliers around here don't keep the bones. Something about a health risk. Also, virtually every vegetable and fruit available on the diet causes a reaction except bananas and green beans. Thank you though.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on September 26, 2012
at 11:03 PM

I don't know, if you haven't read the book it might help to push you to try it again. You can usually buy marrow bones/knuckle marked for dogs (I have been able to buy them wherever I have lived) and if there is any ethnic area of your town you will be able to track down some chicken feet.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on September 26, 2012
at 11:04 PM

And you start off with none of the vegetables or fruits- part of the point is to make it so you could potentially eat those some day. So hopefully with really effective gut healing the things you can't eat now you could eat in the future.

1
F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

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on September 19, 2012
at 08:54 PM

Have you tried taking digestive enzymes? You might just be having trouble digesting the vegetables. I took NOW brand enzymes for a while until my stomach acid kicked in and it made a big difference.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 02:05 AM

No, but I've wanted to. There are so many brands and types, it's overwhelming deciding which to choose. I hadn't thought of it just being an issue digesting though. I was thinking off every complicated, incurable thing I could find. I drink lemon/lime water fairly regularly and find it helps, so maybe the digestive enzymes could be greatly beneficial. Thanks for the very helpful answer and recommending a brand! I'll definitely work on getting some, preferably the NOW brand, hopefully this week.

1
3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on September 19, 2012
at 05:16 PM

You may not have food allergies but perhaps food sensitivities? Adding grains back in may only worsen this by increasing gut permeability and making you even more sensitive in the long run.

You would be a good candidate for the GAPS protocol to heal your gut and reduce your food sensitivities.

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on September 19, 2012
at 06:09 PM

Bone broth has to be the best way in the world to stretch a dollar. I buy a bag of grass fed beef bones for $3 at WF and it makes more than a gallon of broth. I can stretch a roast chicken out to feed my family of four two hearty meals PLUS broth from the carcass. What are you eating Meat wise without bones?

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 19, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Most likely, but I can't get tested for now. I've looked at the GAPS diet many times, but the problems are that most of the foods on the Recommended list make me sick and I'm not in a position to buy bones and such for broths :/. Thanks for your answer.

3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on September 25, 2012
at 04:39 PM

Just save the bones from your meat in the freezer, and when you have a few pounds worth make broth. A chicken carcass plus a few wings, thighs, etc. makes a rich broth. If you have a crockpot, throw your bones in there with some celery, onion, and carrot, cover with water and a splash of apple cider vinegar or juice of 1/2 lemon. Cover and let it go on low up to 24 hours. You can do this in a big pot on the stove. It should be a gentle simmer, not a rolling boil. If all you have is conventional bones and meat, that's still better than no broth.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:40 AM

Unfortunately, I live in a small town and the nearest Whole Foods is an hour away. Would Publix or Krogers offer them? There's a grass fed beef supplier about half an hour away, but I for the life of me cannot convince my parents to buy from them. I'm eating hamburger meat, steak, sausage, chicken breast, and boneless pork chops as far as boneless meat goes. I've considered saving the bones from chicken and such for broth before, but I don't know how to do it. Do conventional birds and beef have enough nutritional value in the bones to be worth the effort?

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1a03896624dfee5b2cf5f5081263ee0d

on September 19, 2012
at 04:29 PM

Sounds like your body hasnt adjusted to eating Paleo style, also sounds like your body is addictted to complex carbs and sugar by how your description on how you body reacts to those foods after you eat them

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 19, 2012
at 04:46 PM

My dad's side has a lot of problems with sugar, even with fruit. Veggies and such have just made me sick since May (when I started Paleo) unless in very small quantities, and in some things, even a bite triggers it.

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on September 23, 2012
at 09:46 PM

My hormones whacked out too on strict low carb Paleo. In my case my estrogen levels sky rocketed (extended heavy period, depression, etc) so I started on Wild Yam cream to boost my progesterone. That fixed the problem for me. If you have low libido and no periods you may have high progesterone and low estrogen. If that's the case I would look into natural ways to boost your estrogen.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 02:14 AM

I just did a quick check on low (and high, just to be thorough) estrogen symptoms and causes before answering to make sure it was a decent reply. Honestly, it looks like a biig possibility. The low more than high. What kind of wild yam cream did you use, if you don't mind? It seems yams are also helpful for low estrogen. After replying, I'm definitely going to look more into it and the natural treatments. Thank you! I never would've thought to check it out.

E791387b2829c660292308092dc3ca9b

(831)

on September 25, 2012
at 09:23 PM

Wild Yam worked great for me. I use one I got at Whole Foods called: Wild Yam-E salve by WiseWays herbals. I have also used Source Naturals Progesterone Cream and it worked fine too but took longer to take effect.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:30 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't use prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts and if you use bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't let them talk you into a scrip for prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts. They may consider depoprovera (I wouldn't do that either) If you choose bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy. – CJ 0 secs ago

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:34 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't let them talk you into a scrip for prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts. If you choose bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy. – CJ 0 secs ago – CJ 0 secs ago

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:35 PM

I don't know for sure, but my GYN said they won't give you estrogen without progesterone because of the cancer risks. I've also heard that wild yam is not readily absorbed by the body, but if it worked, that's great. There are other natural progesterones out there, not all created equal. One thing I learned the hard way though is don't let them talk you into a scrip for prometrium if you are allergic to peanuts. If you choose bioidenticals, get your levels tested and go through a compounding pharmacy.

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Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

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on September 19, 2012
at 06:47 PM

I've been in a situation similar to yours in the last couple months after doing Paleo plus organic dairy since January of this year and I've been quite strict. I even convinced my husband with my success.

I'd had an injury, and was out of commission for a bit so I wasn't losing. When I finally got back at the exercise I actually started to gain. I was also having tremendous carb cravings. I finally had to up the carbs and do some more grains. I'm 51 and premenopause and had a full period for the first time in 6 cycles. The stinking hot flashes also stopped and I have more energy than I had for awhile. I had been losing hair, maybe from the stress of the whole accident thing. That stopped too. A whole bunch of weight toppled off in about a couple weeks including everything I'd gained and then some. Now I'm kind of pulling back the reigns on the carbs again and it's going okay.

You might be right about the hormone balance thing and I'm wondering if you need the fats from the ice cream and that's why your body responds favorably. Maybe increasing some good fats would help. With the acne, you might consider staying away from the wheat and see if it helps. I know it helped my daughter with hers.

You might just have to tweak the whole thing to see what works for your body. I don't think there is a one size fits all answer and we tend to go all vegan, or paleo, or all wheat belly or all or whatever wind is out there and then when we hit a brick wall we wonder why.

All that said, The Schwarzbein Principle book was a bit helpful in this whole thing. Might consider getting your hand on a copy. I wouldn't take it word for word, but there is lots of good info in it.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

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on September 25, 2012
at 02:01 AM

And how much, if you don't mind my asking? As it is, I'm trying to hit 100 carbs a day and only managing 50 or 60 if I'm lucky, with a sweet potato and bananas. The sweet potato makes me crazy full. I have a new respect for paleo high carbers. I've definitely slept better, had better moods, and some more energy, but I'm not quite great still. Just decent. Thank you very much! You significantly helped me out. I really appreciate it. I'll check out the book, too. And I'm sorry about the accident. I wish you the best.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

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on September 25, 2012
at 05:55 PM

To answer-Gluten free bread. (Udi) like one piece with my eggs. Pancakes, usually made from a gluten free mix with a little honey or maple syrup. Gluten free oatmeal. Usually one or two servings of those. Plain yogurt with a little honey drizzled over is another one that I eat sometimes. An extra serving of fruit.

Bece741db5f5fed6bafa12e3548f973f

(715)

on September 25, 2012
at 05:45 PM

What about something like Rice Beverage or the rice frozen dessert. That usually has 20 or more grams of carbs, is mostly liquid so it isn't going to leave you over full feeling for long. The frozen dessert roughly (depending on brand) with 26g of carbs and 9g of fat. 160 calories.

8cbdc2ab4b6f2e5692de5038d5d2c193

(15)

on September 25, 2012
at 01:55 AM

For about two months, I ate a diet that mostly consisted of only meat and fats because I was so scared of getting sick off vegetables and such again, so I'm not sure that's the problem. I used to thrive on milk, but now I get a pretty bad reaction to it. Yet commercial ice cream, with all its sugary milk, and additives doesn't make me feel bad. I wonder why that is? Maybe because the milk is likely reheated in the ice cream making process? What kind of carb and grain sources did you eat,

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on September 19, 2012
at 06:00 PM

I too thought adding grains back into my diet might fix some problems. What I got was crushing depression.

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on September 25, 2012
at 01:52 AM

Really? My brother-in-law had his birthday last week, so I had some cake, then my niece made two rounds of brownies, and I can say, beyond a doubt, that refined grains and sugar are not options for me. I don't entirely remember what else I ate that was grains and low sugar, but I definitely think I'd end up somewhere similar. Plus being epically ballooned and overall miserable. Thank you for your answer! Yours was the main one that made me decide no grains after all.

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on September 19, 2012
at 04:21 PM

Without looking at your older post(s), I'm wondering if you have given Paleo enough of a chance. How long you ever eaten clean Paleo at a stretch without any cheats, etc.? If it is less than 4-6 weeks, then you may not have given your body a chance to get past the withdrawal symptoms that people tend to get in the beginning. Alternatively, there may be a single food or food category that you are sensitive to. Just because you do not test positive for IgE-mediated reactions to a food does not mean that you can't have an intolerance for it. Something like the Whole30 or an elimination-type diet may be a good approach.

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on September 19, 2012
at 04:44 PM

I've been paleo since May, if not late April. I've gone a few weeks without cheats before, up to two months, but I didn't keep track.

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