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One week on pasta and bread and feel f&%#ing amazing! Whats going on?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 26, 2012 at 6:08 PM

So, I was on vacation for one week. Had to live on the food I was served. It was bread, pasta and also some diary all day long. My digestion this week was really really good compared to when I live paleo. I got some more pimples this week than usually, but I recon that is because of the high carb intake.

Why do you think I felt so amazing this week?

a) could it be that I don?t tolerate all the vegetables that I usually eat on paleo? hard to digest maybe? b) I was taking a new type of probiotics this week as well, could this be the reason? c) less protein, and more fiber?

an other quetion is, should I add grains to my diet againg, since I obviously can tolerate it pretty well, and its a cheap source of carbs and it could easy up the social life, what do you think?

Anyone else who eats grains in small amounts in everyday life allthough eating paleo the rest?

29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on July 01, 2012
at 09:01 PM

I ate a lot less calories on this vacation then I usually do. I only ate to slices of bread for breakfast and two for lunch and then one serving of some pasta dish for dinner. In my everyday life I eat around 1500-1800 calories every day.

3d0093dd591d9b88db74d7bba970dea0

(222)

on June 27, 2012
at 05:21 PM

Hold the Hoax: no need for hate, it isn't persuasive. Jimmy lost a ton, stalled and is losing again. Even if he hadn't he is willing to host both perspectives on the issue. That is true maturity.

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on June 27, 2012
at 02:01 PM

FODMAPS - learning about them will change your life, norwegiangirl!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 27, 2012
at 01:44 PM

There are groups of humans that get very little fiber and have no problem going to the bathroom. Some people might not be able to get away with this depending on their microbiome, but plenty do.

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(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:25 PM

My trash is full of stinky shrimp heads...they better pick up today...

Medium avatar

(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Trouble ahead. Lady in red. Take my advice you'd be better off dead.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 27, 2012
at 09:33 AM

Because the line about carbs being evil - particularly refined carbs like pasta - is a load of BS straight out of the failed Jimmy Moore (and innumerable other overweight low carbers) playbook. It's all about calories - always has been, always will be. Eat less, move more...

22fd82abf435768244f8d074430cd1e6

(590)

on June 27, 2012
at 09:15 AM

you made my day

6a26f2ca2cd1c5c5afcda9276b309a9c

(579)

on June 27, 2012
at 06:46 AM

I should probably mention that they all live in Ireland so the situation isn't quite what it is in places like America. I mean they all eat Kerrygold as standard, they don't need paleo to tell them to do that! So I agree, only eat quality if you are going down that route.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Eating fibrous vegetables? Last thing on Paleo mans mind.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:16 AM

@Karen P. Then you need to read more books on human anatomy. Dietary fiber is a bulking agent that promotes stool formation and moves digestion along. The drano analogy has nothing to do with what actually occurs. It's like a filling up a trash can. Your body won't take out the trans until the trash is full, but the little trash that is in there will still sit and fester, cause odd smells, and just be an annoyance. Adding fiber from health sources simply fills up the can so you can take it out on a regular basis.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:04 AM

^ Nah, coconut oil is more like a balm.... while raw fibrous vegetables are like an SOS pad. But hey, YMMV right.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:02 AM

^No its not....

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on June 26, 2012
at 11:59 PM

And yet this is what most people base their paleo diet choice on.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:57 PM

^ downing spoonfuls of coconut oil is more akin to clearing your intestines with drano than eating fibrous vegetables.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6244)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:38 PM

soluble fiber and fat speed up digestion but too much will give a laxative effect ..

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:27 PM

I'm skeptical of high fiber advice. Our intestines aren't mere tubes to be cleared with Drano. I think digestion has much more to do with the microbiome in there, and when those bacteria are in line, digestion and elimination will fall in line too.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Yeah, they grew up with naturally pastured eggs, real milk (not today's pasteurized, homogenized milk-like beverage), and hormone-free, organic meat. Their wheat wasn't genetically modified. They weren't taking in weird soy and corn by-products, nor guzzling sugar by the gallon. Make no mistake, this stuff is compounding over generations. In our lifetimes, we will see the first generations with shorter projected lifespans than the generations that came before.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:22 PM

+1 for mentioning that the honeymoon may not last.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:21 PM

She's getting high.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:07 PM

you need more soluble fibre (starchy carbs) in your diet. White rice, bananas, yams, beets etc. Will help with digestion and mood.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:46 PM

YES! +!000.......

193b7fb0fec8913d5ebb3b99a04d21c6

(2918)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:45 PM

I think the best thing that a person can do for their health is not to avoid specific types of food (unless it truly gives them an adverse reaction - don't want to leave the celiac people out) but how specific types of food are grown/raised/prepared/handled. I agree, my grandparents definitely ate their grains and dairy and probably not much vegetables and lived amazingly long and healthy lives but the source of their foods was a lot "cleaner" than the source of what we've come to know as grains/dairy/meat/etc.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:36 PM

One thing I'd suggest is being more clear with your title and content. Really, this is about constipation and bloating, but it sounds like eating pasta gave you a general sense of well-being and happiness by the phrase "feeling amazing." So you are getting strange response about serotonin and endorphin. Just eat some fiber and you will poop more.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:32 PM

It's the dietary fiber content is all.

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:24 PM

I regret that I can up vote this only one time.

29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on June 26, 2012
at 07:27 PM

I usually start the day with a can of mackrell, some carrots and tea. At lunch I usually eat some meat or maybe sardines or tuna. And salad or vegetables at the side. Dinner. time, it is the same thing, meat and vegeatbles and some times liver or chicken hearts.Maybe some berries, coconut milk, shredded coconut in the evening. My digestion have been very slow. So I get bloated sometimes because of the really slow digestion. I suspect all the proteins to be the "bad guy". The week on pasta and bread speeded up my digestion a lot.

29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on June 26, 2012
at 07:21 PM

It wasn`t emotions that made me feel amazing, it was great digestion.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on June 26, 2012
at 07:18 PM

Can you give us some indication of what you eat ona daily basis and what would you consider to be poor digestion and feelings compared to how you felt this week with pasta? Where are the carbs coming from? What is your intake of fat and proteins? Are you eating to hit macros or just eating when you are hungry?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on June 26, 2012
at 06:53 PM

I would also go with rice if you decided to do it.

29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on June 26, 2012
at 06:23 PM

I usually eat around 70 g carbs per day.

Ae8946707ddebf0f0bfbcfc63276d823

(9402)

on June 26, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Were you low carb before this? How low carb? I would try potatoes, bananas, maybe white rice and see if you can get the same benefit without the side effects.

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37
631b29d5ab1146e264e91d08103bb72c

on June 26, 2012
at 07:17 PM

If subjective emotions were the best marker of health I would have a steady diet of cocaine and hookers.

F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:24 PM

I regret that I can up vote this only one time.

22fd82abf435768244f8d074430cd1e6

(590)

on June 27, 2012
at 09:15 AM

you made my day

29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on June 26, 2012
at 07:21 PM

It wasn`t emotions that made me feel amazing, it was great digestion.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Trouble ahead. Lady in red. Take my advice you'd be better off dead.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on June 26, 2012
at 11:59 PM

And yet this is what most people base their paleo diet choice on.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:46 PM

YES! +!000.......

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on June 26, 2012
at 06:46 PM

For folks with normal digestion, paleo probably goes a bit too far in restricting foods. Most folks handle wheat just fine and it sounds like you do as well. Assuming you have a nutrient dense diet, the addition of starchy carbs (even wheat products) shouldn't be problematic nor detrimental.

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B6114a1980b1481fb18206064f3f4a4f

(3924)

on June 26, 2012
at 07:14 PM

It sounds like your body liked the extra carbs it was getting! A week of feeling good while on vacation isn't quite the same as sustaining this over months - it's possible eating this way would make you feel lousy over the long haul. But to me this might mean you could add some dairy to your diet and more fruits and starchy carbs. You might also add some of the grains considered "safe starches" like rice or sweet corn. If you do try experimenting with grains or legumes you might want to read some of the nourishing traditions/Weston A. Price literature about how to prepare these foods to minimize the bad stuff and maximize the nutrition your body can get from them. I feed small amounts of legumes and grains prepared this way to my 3-year-old sons and they do very well with it. I personally don't tolerate carbs over about 150 grams a day, but I sure like my 100 grams or so and don't feel as good long term when I go below 80 grams a day.

Have fun eating more carbs and dairy! I would go back to Paleo and start slowly though, adding more carbs, dairy or rice slowly so you can determine the long term consequences of eating these foods.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:22 PM

+1 for mentioning that the honeymoon may not last.

9
Ee70ee808f748374744404a00e1c22ed

(1163)

on June 26, 2012
at 06:32 PM

It sounds like you were piling on the carbs (which definitely isn't a bad thing). I would try going back to the diet you had before your vacation, eating that way for a week or so, and then start adding in some carbs (potatoes, white rice, etc) and dairy, and see if you get the same results.

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6a26f2ca2cd1c5c5afcda9276b309a9c

(579)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:03 PM

I don't eat any grains myself but I'm skeptical about how much they are vilified in the paleo community. All four of my grandparents ate bread every single day for their whole lives and three are in their eighties and one died at almost 86. They aren't overweight and they don't have much in the way of health problems, I suspect not eating sugar, fast food and heavily processed food is many times more important then not eating grains. They all also eat dairy every day. If a diet with grains and dairy makes you feel better than a paleo diet then I say go for it. As long as you don't completely overdo it then avoiding all the other stuff will get you almost the same benefits. At the very least it's worth trying.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Yeah, they grew up with naturally pastured eggs, real milk (not today's pasteurized, homogenized milk-like beverage), and hormone-free, organic meat. Their wheat wasn't genetically modified. They weren't taking in weird soy and corn by-products, nor guzzling sugar by the gallon. Make no mistake, this stuff is compounding over generations. In our lifetimes, we will see the first generations with shorter projected lifespans than the generations that came before.

193b7fb0fec8913d5ebb3b99a04d21c6

(2918)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:45 PM

I think the best thing that a person can do for their health is not to avoid specific types of food (unless it truly gives them an adverse reaction - don't want to leave the celiac people out) but how specific types of food are grown/raised/prepared/handled. I agree, my grandparents definitely ate their grains and dairy and probably not much vegetables and lived amazingly long and healthy lives but the source of their foods was a lot "cleaner" than the source of what we've come to know as grains/dairy/meat/etc.

6a26f2ca2cd1c5c5afcda9276b309a9c

(579)

on June 27, 2012
at 06:46 AM

I should probably mention that they all live in Ireland so the situation isn't quite what it is in places like America. I mean they all eat Kerrygold as standard, they don't need paleo to tell them to do that! So I agree, only eat quality if you are going down that route.

4
7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

on June 26, 2012
at 07:12 PM

Increase in serotonin from the carbs? Less stress also because you were on holiday? Low carb can induce an adrenaline response that can affect digestion

I think the Japanese have a saying, it's better to eat the wrong food with the right attitude than the right food with the wrong attitude

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 27, 2012
at 01:45 PM

I had this experience on a vacation and I kept up the probiotic regimin at home and the benefits continued on my regular diet.

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091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

on June 26, 2012
at 08:32 PM

From the comments you made about not feeling very regular on the paleo diet I suspect you are lacking the laxative effects of dietary fiber. This isn't about carbs or no carbs, it is about the side-ingredient to carb-heavy foods like pasta; dietary fiber.

Rice and potatoes won't have the same effect since they don't have a great deal of dietary fiber; this is the insoluble fiber that your body flushes through your system. Brown rice with the bran still on it does have some.

Fiber from grains do have a strong laxative effect. Your best bet is to eat foods that do the same; very fibrous vegetables like swiss chard, brussels sprouts, asparagus, carrots, kale, collards, cabbage could help. If it is really a problem you could try soaked oats with some flax seed or even just Metamucil.

Don't jump straight to refined pasta as a solution, nor should you be upset if eating a pure starch doesn't solve the issue.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:57 PM

^ downing spoonfuls of coconut oil is more akin to clearing your intestines with drano than eating fibrous vegetables.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 27, 2012
at 01:44 PM

There are groups of humans that get very little fiber and have no problem going to the bathroom. Some people might not be able to get away with this depending on their microbiome, but plenty do.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:25 PM

My trash is full of stinky shrimp heads...they better pick up today...

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:27 PM

I'm skeptical of high fiber advice. Our intestines aren't mere tubes to be cleared with Drano. I think digestion has much more to do with the microbiome in there, and when those bacteria are in line, digestion and elimination will fall in line too.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Eating fibrous vegetables? Last thing on Paleo mans mind.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:02 AM

^No its not....

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

(18635)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:04 AM

^ Nah, coconut oil is more like a balm.... while raw fibrous vegetables are like an SOS pad. But hey, YMMV right.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on June 27, 2012
at 12:16 AM

@Karen P. Then you need to read more books on human anatomy. Dietary fiber is a bulking agent that promotes stool formation and moves digestion along. The drano analogy has nothing to do with what actually occurs. It's like a filling up a trash can. Your body won't take out the trans until the trash is full, but the little trash that is in there will still sit and fester, cause odd smells, and just be an annoyance. Adding fiber from health sources simply fills up the can so you can take it out on a regular basis.

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76c885d7d27e6c83542ea493ca866dcd

(2178)

on June 27, 2012
at 01:27 PM

I'm going to move away from the carbs and digestion ideas and suggest that maybe you've significantly increased your calorie intake to a level that's more ideal for your body.

While you didn't give us serving sizes in your list of daily food intake, it's possible that you're just not eating enough on a regular basis. Perhaps try increasing your daily caloric intake (back on a paleo diet) and see what happens.

29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on July 01, 2012
at 09:01 PM

I ate a lot less calories on this vacation then I usually do. I only ate to slices of bread for breakfast and two for lunch and then one serving of some pasta dish for dinner. In my everyday life I eat around 1500-1800 calories every day.

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on June 27, 2012
at 08:46 AM

I have been gluten free for over a year but do occasionally have some, for example I still like the bread that comes with kebabs and like good home made pizza. As an infrequent treat (very infrequent, like once every few months) it does not mess with my system, in fact my digestion is good. My fully paleo diet is relatively low in dietary fiber, so eating any grains is essentially a fiber blast which I don't think is good/necessary every day like "they" tell you, but is good on these occasions.

I eat pretty low carb but find that about one relatively high carb day per week actually makes me feel better and makes my workouts better and more satisfying. For me, prolonged very low carb starts to have ill effects on mood and digestion.

I actually have trouble eating lots of carbs because I just don't like carb-y foods so I have to kind of force myself to do it. I have not done several days of high carbs in a row like you did, but i suspect my energy and digestion would be good for those days but that i would also gain some unwanted weight.

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F0a3e3f17d9a740810ac37ff2353a9f3

(3804)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:26 PM

Let's see...increased serotonin/endorphins, sympathetic stimulation from norepinephrine, opiate-like response from wheat proteins.

Or it could just be that carbs are great and we should all eat more of them.

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

(11214)

on June 26, 2012
at 09:21 PM

She's getting high.

091423a30c0188fbff51e39397e7e056

(384)

on June 26, 2012
at 08:32 PM

It's the dietary fiber content is all.

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