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Need help with cutting the grains

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Created January 16, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I'm preparing to ditch most of my current principles with the Western Price Diet to go mainly Paleo.I will still consume my raw goat milk,raw cheese,organic produce.I'm very active.I'm a lettter carrier and i walk 6 miles 5 days a week.I have tried to increase my protein and fats and cut out my grains.But that leaves me still hungry.I consume alot of organic platains,organic white rice and organic potatoes.(organic white,sweet,) My diet is probably more Perfect Health Diet rather then Paleo.But since i'm so active is daly consumption of white rice and potatoes ok?Also is cooked organ meats/grassfed meats ok for daily consumption?i've been reading that raw is best but isn't palatable for me.Thanks

23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

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on January 19, 2012
at 09:44 PM

Regarding second comment. Opinions vary. Neither my wife or I drive so we do everything on foot or via bike. A low day for us is 10 miles and we have plenty of days that are 3-4x this. Neither of us eat starch or need to carb up. The idea that walking REQUIRES starch is just wrong.

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on January 19, 2012
at 09:39 PM

I think Meret was talking about my comment. The fact of the matter is if you are doing lots of weight lifting your carb requirements are higher than someone walking. I know lots of people, some on this board who hike and walk this much or more and haven't eaten anything but meat and fat in years. Walking isn't going to tax Glycolytic pathway in anyway, shape or form. He might not be eating enough but he doesn't NEED extra starch to walk a bit.

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on January 19, 2012
at 09:35 PM

I'm sorry but this is walking. This is normal, everyday activity. This doesn't dip into glycogen significant, it's not anaerobic. He could walk 20hrs a day, everyday, and do it based on fat. You don't need to carb up (eat extra carbs which is the crooks of the whole question in case you missed it) to do low level, walking-type exercise. The fact that my wife who is out of shape, overweight and only been Paleo for 4 months doesn't need to carb-up is a fair reality check.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:48 PM

meret, Nobody has actually said that in this thread.

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:30 AM

Also, I think walking 6 miles a day 5 days a week is a little more than a few long walks.

1096aa84d006fe967128ffbd37e8070e

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:29 AM

Where did she say she needs to carb up? Not seeing it. Also, everyone is different, and your wife has probably been on this diet for longer than than Frankie.

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on January 17, 2012
at 03:51 AM

Eat only protein and fats for breakfast with 50gs of protein and it will kill your hunger in the mornings. I work straight through from 7-3pm and usually only eat two meals a day *IF* my breakfast is large enough and free of carbs.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:24 AM

thank you. some of the other belittling answers about how you can't be hungry if you're eating enough fat are not helpful at all.

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:18 PM

@frankie, WOW you got great answers and I agree with all of them. Give yourself time to adjust, eat plenty of meat, vegetables and fruits and feed any physical hunger. If you think you're feeling emotional hunger because you're craving grains, then try to distract yourself until the feeling passes. Giving in will make the cravings more intense.

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on January 16, 2012
at 10:04 PM

IMO, listen to what your body is telling you - eat when hungry, stop when full. It took me several months for everything to adjust and during that time was very strict to "settle it all in" and then started tweaking with the food adding things, eliminating, etc. I'm now to two meals a day, down from 6 or so, with a small snack in the afternoon and before bed. But even that fluctuates - worked out hard today and have already eaten 3 nice meals and am looking forward to more.

I don't eat rice, except for the occasional sour plum Yaki Onigiri, but sweet potatoes and tubers play a huge part in my daily routine. As do loads of leafy greens and other veggies, squash, beets, root veg, avocados and such. I do have fruit, I try to keep it seasonal. Some offal fun things a couple of days a week, all varieties of protein. And yes.. some delicious dark chocolate. MM.. grey sea salt dark choco..

Basically, my oh so humble advice, is every body is different and you should play and find what's right for you aka N=1. I know people that do have offal in their daily meal. Some that never partake. Many don't allow fruit or tubers, etc. My way is definitely not for all :) so ultimately it's your party. I think N=1 is an amazingly fun and interesting process. Good luck!

Note: I CrossFit and lift heavy stuff upwards of 4 days a week and have an active recovery class, stretchy fantastic mobility work, 1 day.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:48 PM

meret, Nobody has actually said that in this thread.

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on January 17, 2012
at 01:24 AM

thank you. some of the other belittling answers about how you can't be hungry if you're eating enough fat are not helpful at all.

23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

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on January 19, 2012
at 09:39 PM

I think Meret was talking about my comment. The fact of the matter is if you are doing lots of weight lifting your carb requirements are higher than someone walking. I know lots of people, some on this board who hike and walk this much or more and haven't eaten anything but meat and fat in years. Walking isn't going to tax Glycolytic pathway in anyway, shape or form. He might not be eating enough but he doesn't NEED extra starch to walk a bit.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on January 16, 2012
at 11:04 PM

If you are hungry, then you are probably not eating enough. You don't say if you are still eatig the same amount of calories as you were before going mostly paleo.

I do construction work. I get all of my energy from eggs and fatty meat.

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23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

on January 16, 2012
at 09:33 PM

Can I just add a reality check? My wife eats low-carb Paleo (lots of veg, a few berries and no yam, potato or rice) and manages to not be hungry. She does this while riding almost 30 miles a day for commute. You aren't inactive but a few long walks hardly qualifies you as needing to "carb up". It's walking not sprints/weightlifting.

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:30 AM

Also, I think walking 6 miles a day 5 days a week is a little more than a few long walks.

1096aa84d006fe967128ffbd37e8070e

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on January 17, 2012
at 04:29 AM

Where did she say she needs to carb up? Not seeing it. Also, everyone is different, and your wife has probably been on this diet for longer than than Frankie.

23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

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on January 19, 2012
at 09:35 PM

I'm sorry but this is walking. This is normal, everyday activity. This doesn't dip into glycogen significant, it's not anaerobic. He could walk 20hrs a day, everyday, and do it based on fat. You don't need to carb up (eat extra carbs which is the crooks of the whole question in case you missed it) to do low level, walking-type exercise. The fact that my wife who is out of shape, overweight and only been Paleo for 4 months doesn't need to carb-up is a fair reality check.

23f79c5241be763ac583fc68d58ee02c

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on January 19, 2012
at 09:44 PM

Regarding second comment. Opinions vary. Neither my wife or I drive so we do everything on foot or via bike. A low day for us is 10 miles and we have plenty of days that are 3-4x this. Neither of us eat starch or need to carb up. The idea that walking REQUIRES starch is just wrong.

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on January 16, 2012
at 08:58 PM

As long as your not gaining fat from white rice and potato then its fine. Cooked organ meat is fine too, its good/great actually. I wouldn't eat that stuff(organs) raw and neither does 99%+ of Paleo Hackers.

Regarding your still hungry comment. Hate to be cliche, but eat more. IMO, eat more fiber containing things(green things) or slower carb things (sweet potato instead of white). A lot of people say up your protein for satiety, which I agree with and you can do if you want and can afford it.

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on January 17, 2012
at 02:52 AM

Grains, legumes, and nuts contain trypsin inhibitors that irreversibly alter and destroy enzymes for digesting trypsin and protease and this can certainly cause cancer and has in studies with animals. These caused chronic atrophy in their pancreas and permanent complexes with the way trypsin and proteases were digested. I got to find the many studies I read as I spent a significant amount of time reading many a while ago. But it took serious time to find the right ones. Cooking deactivates less than half of the trypsin inhibitors for most cooking methods: and cooking them more will render the food almost inedible. Also I have read that it is better to kill cells than to alter them significantly, in regards to the trypsin inhibitors and many other substances, because this creates and spreads chemical messages that cause cancer and many other problems. But besides trypsin inhibitors there are many other natural toxins that come with grains: grains aren't really meant to be food and need to be seriously processed to become edible: soaking, cooking, etc. You have to look at food from a standpoint of growing up without the luxury of finding food in a store, processed, or the comfort of a hospital if you eat the wrong food. Looking at nuts, legumes, and grains (as well as many other plants) you would either take a taste and really feel how your body thinks of these foods, instead of the way most of us taste them now in the current situation, and would want to avoid many commonly accepted foods and you would also not even eat many plants/grains/etc. that you come in contact with based on sight, smell, and texture alone.

I also look at carbs like this: it seems nature makes a point when most of the only significant sources of carbs are vegetables which need to be thoroughly cooked, grains, or legumes and it might be something to consider but I also understand that that logic is also flawed and of course I understand this without needing to see how reality is. In reality: many things we need or would really benefit from of course are hard to find and nature does not make it easy for us and why should it LOL.

But those are some things to consider: think if you were living in the wild and in this hypothetical situation you are without the need to load up or eat whatever desperately and mostly indiscriminately because you are not sure if you will have access for food tomorrow: what would you eat and how much would you eat? Even today when they say, " you can eat large amounts of this vegetable and it's fine"; even the most common ones, they are finding so many new things each day for common foods and telling people to not eat a certain amount of them. It is wise to eat a significant amount of vegetables because of the nutrients they contain: just remember to study what you eat and look up the food with the word "tox", "bad for you", etc. to find more about it. Also remember that nothing is ever certain and food isn't perfect for us: it is what is in it. But good luck to you and it takes time for many to understand this as it is hard.

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on January 16, 2012
at 09:37 PM

If you don't want to be hungry, you have to eat more fat.

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