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Is it wrong to think that anyone who eats grains is not healthy?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 15, 2011 at 6:22 PM

Title basically sums it up. Even if I see someone who looks really good, as soon as I see them eating grains I automatically get a little paleo snooty in my head and think theres no way they can be healthy, or at least optimal healthy, eating grains. Am I wrong?

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on July 20, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Kamal - Question for you. I was looking at an old post of yours regarding "Paleo for Indians". Given our common ancestry, I would be curious as to your current take on this. I know that post was quite old so I am curious as to how your thoughts have evolved since then. Maybe an offline discussion? http://paleohacks.com/questions/9663/is-paleo-for-indian-people-significantly-different#axzz1SbbSK41S

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Oh, I already saw you eating the grains on youtube

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on July 17, 2011
at 01:07 AM

We have a lot of inputs - diet is just one. "Chillaxing" should be scribbled on a prescription pad once in a while..

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on July 16, 2011
at 11:42 PM

BLASPHEMOUS! *chows down on buckwheat pancake*

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on July 16, 2011
at 09:00 PM

i feel the sentiment. especially with one's family. you know yourself how much better you are but you see loved ones actually hurting themselves again and again.

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on July 16, 2011
at 08:59 PM

i think you're pretty spot on there.

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on July 16, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Chalk one up. Billions of Chinese can't be wrong. But then they eat mostly white rice, a safe starch.

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on July 16, 2011
at 01:48 PM

I guess you could say my nose has been hacked off as well! People get so defensive when they don't understand things it seems. I just give up!! They still ask but I just don't really engage them anymore.

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on July 16, 2011
at 12:14 PM

Thanks, Kelly. I needed to be reminded not to discuss diet. Pretty soon I won't have any nose left from sticking it into other peoples diet worldview and getting it cut off.

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on July 16, 2011
at 04:51 AM

well said, Kamal

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on July 16, 2011
at 04:21 AM

^^^^ Re the Phelps question. There is a huge difference between being healthy and fit. Phelps is incredibly fit, but this in no way means that he is healthy. In comparison, my mum might have the best lab results in the world, and eat paleo, but do FA exercise bar some walking, ie healthy but not fit.

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on July 16, 2011
at 02:42 AM

And we should all ascribe to being comfortable enough to treat ourselves to PB ice cream on a Friday night.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 16, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Don't feel bad. I'm eating peanut butter cup ice cream at the moment. Talk about food reward! Sweet, creamy, salty...ugh, gonna have to suspend my own account and buy some groceries. Never have an empty fridge heading into Friday night!

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on July 16, 2011
at 01:55 AM

I like the question and wonder why the lack of upvotes. I certainly find myself "Paleo snooty" more than I care to be (as I type and sip my Bud Light - hypocrit).

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

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on July 16, 2011
at 01:53 AM

Nice answer. We should all ascribe to having such a perspective.

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on July 15, 2011
at 11:16 PM

Well said. Paleo isn't by anyways the only way to attain good health.

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on July 15, 2011
at 11:16 PM

^^@dave: Djokovic noted that he made the switch to a gluten free diet, but I don't believe he credited his success to that but rather to his increased confidence and raised level of intensity after his davis cup wins last year. Cutting out gluten probably helped, but my gut feeling is that it was probably mainly a mental thing.

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:14 PM

Every healthy person I know over 70 eats grains.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Good points. "No grain" is a gateway drug to "Eating healthy".

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Is Michael Phelps unhealthy? And yet he eats fried egg sandwiches and pancakes for breakfast (if you can trust the reporting). Maybe it will affect him over time, maybe not. Djokevic (the tennis player) credits his becoming number 1 this year to dumping bread and pasta. But he was still really good (#3) before the diet change. Everone's tolerance is different, although maybe they could be healthier dumping grains (sounds like we need a study for this).

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:20 PM

I know very little people who are healthy at 70+ though. Meds like candy and a whole zoo of various diseases.

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:13 PM

and when I say "SAD", what I mean is your average American who eats whatever the heck they want, all the nasties included.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:11 PM

hmm. I think nobody who is eating SAD can be in perfect health. I will take my chances with lab numbers and what I eat versus swapping out for supposedly 'better' lab numbers on a fully SAD diet and presumed state of good health anyday.

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:10 PM

Depends on what you mean by "healthy".

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:03 PM

assumptions? Generally speaking though, I know a great many very fit people who eat SAD who actually are in optimal health, and can back that up with perfect lab work. The question is, how long will they stay that way?

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Danielle, you would be mistaken. We cannot make assumptions about another's health based on what we see them eating. If you saw me in person and eating a perfect paleo meal you would not realize that I have multiple sclerosis and was once in a wheelchair, nor would you know that I once had to treat my IDDM with insulin 3x a day. You would assume, so that 42 year old guy is really fit and healthy, that's why he gets to tell the 20 something girls..."no thanks, I'm very married"... The same way, if you saw me in the same body, same clothes, eating at McDonalds... how could you make health

0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:54 PM

This sums it up: "If only life were so simple." It's not, and the more complex the individual, the more complex the life, usually. Well said.

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Well played... ;)

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:47 PM

And seed oils lol. Here's what I tend to think when I see two people like that: "I bet they eat a lot of junk food and don't exercise." Seems a bit simpler, eh?

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:47 PM

A seed oils LOL. Here's what I tend to think when I see two people like that: "I bet they eat a lot of junk food and don't exercise." Seems a bit simpler, eh?

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:32 PM

No.. you aren't wrong.

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21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:50 PM

Definitely wrong! Confirmation bias is strong in the paleo echo-chamber.

The more I read about omega-6, the more I thought it was the most important health issue that no one is talking about. The more I read about sugar and cancer, the more conspiracy theories I cooked up. When I worked at a meditation research center, I thought that was the be all and end all for maintaining health. When I'm in a forest, it occurs to me that living in concrete jungles is under-rated as a cause of death.

The issue de jour always takes the forefront in one's brain. If only life were so simple. There are many factors in maintaining health, and several very important non-diet issues. I doubt that someone who eats bread every day but eats in moderation, chillaxes, and has a strong support network would classify as "unhealthy". Unless they were more gluten intolerant than average.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on July 17, 2011
at 01:07 AM

We have a lot of inputs - diet is just one. "Chillaxing" should be scribbled on a prescription pad once in a while..

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on July 16, 2011
at 02:42 AM

And we should all ascribe to being comfortable enough to treat ourselves to PB ice cream on a Friday night.

072fd69647b0e765bb4b11532569f16d

(3717)

on July 16, 2011
at 01:53 AM

Nice answer. We should all ascribe to having such a perspective.

0a2dd50f2d3951bf3fb83fc4638c9512

(1960)

on July 15, 2011
at 06:54 PM

This sums it up: "If only life were so simple." It's not, and the more complex the individual, the more complex the life, usually. Well said.

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

(3895)

on July 16, 2011
at 04:51 AM

well said, Kamal

D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on July 20, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Kamal - Question for you. I was looking at an old post of yours regarding "Paleo for Indians". Given our common ancestry, I would be curious as to your current take on this. I know that post was quite old so I am curious as to how your thoughts have evolved since then. Maybe an offline discussion? http://paleohacks.com/questions/9663/is-paleo-for-indian-people-significantly-different#axzz1SbbSK41S

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on July 15, 2011
at 11:05 PM

Wrong or not, I'd say spend more energy worrying about you and yours, instead of judging people. Surely your time is worth more than that.

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3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

on July 15, 2011
at 08:07 PM

I'm beginning to think that there are many paths to health and longevity. Paleo also means different things to different people. You're mistaken if you believe your brand of Paleo is monopolizing longevity.

Low carb / high carb / low fat / high fat / low protein / ad libertum protein.

The main thing is that you're eating whole foods. Can vegetarians attain longevity? Yes, I think so, why not. You're missing some fatty acids but you can always supplement. I've seen those who eat plant-based diets live for a very long time.

Again, there is no single way.

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(3536)

on July 15, 2011
at 11:16 PM

Well said. Paleo isn't by anyways the only way to attain good health.

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:15 PM

I find that people have the same thoughts about me, not eating grains....So I guess its what you believe in and should know that diet is just as personal to people as politics and religion!

I don't discuss those either, adding diet to the list as well!

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on July 16, 2011
at 01:48 PM

I guess you could say my nose has been hacked off as well! People get so defensive when they don't understand things it seems. I just give up!! They still ask but I just don't really engage them anymore.

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(1227)

on July 16, 2011
at 12:14 PM

Thanks, Kelly. I needed to be reminded not to discuss diet. Pretty soon I won't have any nose left from sticking it into other peoples diet worldview and getting it cut off.

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:26 PM

I admit that I raise an eyebrow from time to time when I see healthy folks eating grains and the like. But I also remind myself that I am no evolutionary biology expert and that person's ability to ingest grains may be remarkably better than my own.

I just trust in the knowledge I have to keep myself happy and healthy. If anyone else is curious, I definitely welcome questions. Otherwise I just gauge the situation and try not to get preachy.

I'm always going to be a student when it comes to my own nutrition and health.

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:43 PM

You might need more data before deciding how unhealthy they are being.

Never forget the differences between grain types AND the dose/amount and related frequency.

Do they have rice with sushi once a month?

or

Do they eat cracked wheat salad 6 times a day?

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on July 16, 2011
at 10:50 PM

Your asking the wrong question.

The REAL question is, can someone who's eating a SAD diet improve their health by shifting to paleo.

I think we know the answer to that. ;)

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 16, 2011
at 01:41 AM

Yes I think it's totally wrong to think that anyone who eats grains is unhealthy. Ridiculous in fact, since the facts are all around us. There are millions (billions?) around the globe who consume grains and are healthy.

And making believe that you are healthier because you don't eat grains than others who do is silly. There are a myriad of factors that affect us.

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on July 16, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Chalk one up. Billions of Chinese can't be wrong. But then they eat mostly white rice, a safe starch.

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:03 PM

What are you basing your judgement on?

I would not judge them on health anyway. My ancestors lived to 70-80 overweight, proably with metabolic syndrome, eating all the dairy and grain they liked, and died of strokes and heart attacks. I have no problem judging their behavior. However my parents eat the same thing but are active and much fitter in their mid 80's. While I may consider their bland diet of cookies, margarine and miracle whip to be in poor taste, it would be stupid for me to criticize their health. I should be so healthy at 85.

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:46 PM

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:26 PM

Good points. "No grain" is a gateway drug to "Eating healthy".

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Well played... ;)

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:27 PM

Pretty much. There are lots of people who eat grains who live healthy long lives. Diet is just one variable in health.

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:20 PM

I know very little people who are healthy at 70+ though. Meds like candy and a whole zoo of various diseases.

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:14 PM

Every healthy person I know over 70 eats grains.

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on July 16, 2011
at 11:29 PM

Eating grains does not equal SAD.

Hope the paleo police didn't see me munching on that organic-non-gmo-fried in lard-corn chip last night...

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on July 16, 2011
at 11:42 PM

BLASPHEMOUS! *chows down on buckwheat pancake*

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on July 19, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Oh, I already saw you eating the grains on youtube

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on July 16, 2011
at 08:23 PM

I'm of the opinion that if someone were vegan except for the fact that they eat liver frequently and in sufficient quantities, they'd have better nutrition than the average meat-eater who does not or even the average paleo person who does not.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 16, 2011
at 08:59 PM

i think you're pretty spot on there.

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A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:48 PM

We can make presumptions about other's health based upon our own experience and research; but just like I can't know my own blood, lipid, and adrenal markers by looking in the mirror, I can't know other people's health markers just by looking at them.

And regarding what they eat, often - as someone else mentioned - the dose makes the poison.

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Wrong or right, I'm beginning to feel this too. Also, when I see a fat, ageing couple, and both have health problems, I tend to think "I bet they eat grains, and sugar, and seed oils"

Bad news, really. It feels a bit like hubris....

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on July 15, 2011
at 06:47 PM

And seed oils lol. Here's what I tend to think when I see two people like that: "I bet they eat a lot of junk food and don't exercise." Seems a bit simpler, eh?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on July 15, 2011
at 06:47 PM

A seed oils LOL. Here's what I tend to think when I see two people like that: "I bet they eat a lot of junk food and don't exercise." Seems a bit simpler, eh?

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on July 16, 2011
at 08:33 PM

It's wrong to assume they're not healthy because they might be doing so many other things that enhance their health.

However, when I see someone eating food that lacks nutrition or might threaten health status, I feel bad for them because I know how much better I've felt these past 2 years GFCF. And I am not lactose intolerant. I am not a celiac. I simply dropped the 2 industry favorite food groups and experienced a much much higher quality of life.

I wish everyone made a conscientious effort to optimize their health and lifestyle. The payoff is so rewarding but I realize that there are too many vested interests who will never make it easy for anyone to make all the right choices.

How can you make good choices when you are surrounded by bad ones the instant you set foot in a supermarket? It's a minefield.

The situation overall is very saddening to me.

It just sucks.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 16, 2011
at 09:00 PM

i feel the sentiment. especially with one's family. you know yourself how much better you are but you see loved ones actually hurting themselves again and again.

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:11 PM

I think there is a spectrum of health and people have different sensitivities to grains and legumes. We all know somebody who lived to 80 or 90 who ate some grains but that doesn't mean their health couldn't be better! They might have some mild osteoporosis, allergies, or other marks of inflammation, etc. I personally don't want to wait until a certain age and get some diagnosis of metabolic syndrome, cancer, autoimmune disease, Alzheimers, etc - I prefer to take action now. Some people don't know their best until they go grain-free and legume-free.

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on July 15, 2011
at 07:09 PM

[T]heres no way they can be ... optimal healthy, eating grains. Am I wrong?

Completely right, I think. It would be an odd person indeed who was optimally healthy in virtue of eating grains, that is, there is nothing they could be eating that would be more healthy than grains. But that's quite a weak claim, though I suppose, important to bear in mind, if you want reminders that there's no reason to eat (or not, not eat) grains.

Is it wrong to think that anyone who eats grains is not healthy?

I think this is not so much wrong as an unfortunately formed question. We don't want to know "Is any-one who lies/cheats/steals not a good person," since "good person" like healthy person admits of great variation and controversy. We want to know "is lying/cheating/stealing good?"

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on July 15, 2011
at 10:31 PM

Generally, people that consume whole grains tend to follow an overall healthier lifestyle than those who succumb to the allure of processed junk and fast food. So in a sense they are overall healthier than most of the general population but it isn't optimal by any means.

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on July 15, 2011
at 06:46 PM

I don't think that it's wrong to think it's unhealthy. In my opinion the problem lies with people sharing their thoughts!

So jump on your paleo soapbox in your head! And smile sweetly at the 'healthy looking' people eating their sandwich!

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