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Is eating healthy fats + certain grains harmful?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 12, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I've been eating a lot of healthy fats lately, especially butter, coconut oil/milk and fatty beef. However, I still eat bits of rice, oatmeal and spelt bread throughout the day. Is the combination of these grains plus the fats harmful to me in any way?

I've looked this up here and I've only found one question involving eating a SAD diet with wheat and everything, plus healthy fats. I'm talking more grains, and what I personally think of as healthier grains, plus fats. I'm still not certain if this is just as bad, and if the starches and grains and everything will somehow be a bad combination with saturated fats. The grains of their own don't seem to bother me... I'm just worried about it being an unhealthy combination.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 14, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Yeah, weight hasn't been an issue with me for years and in fact it has been too low, so this wasn't a consideration for me.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:29 PM

For me, WAP was a stepping stone on the way to paleo. My diet had been heavily influenced by Ayurveda and Indian vegetarianism, loaded with grains and beans. I ditched the PUFA oils and started making fermented foods, but my weight kept going up. I didn't lose weight until I shifted toward paleo and reduced grain consumption from dietary staple to 2 slices of sprouted whole grain toast per day.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:12 AM

I hope people realise that this is partly in jest. I don't think any of this in the grand scheme of life means anything. I don't think at our deathbeds we shall be thinking about the oatcake we ate or the rice "that one time'

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:08 AM

I don't think this is 80/20. This is everyday. I guess if she feels fine whatevs. My comment was partly in jest. My husband is 50, very athletic and eats grains almost everyday. I do worry sometimes though that he's just going to keel over and die from all the bagels.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:06 AM

Whoa! The comment about fat people bashing grains is a it off. Im pretty sure Robb Wolf has a reference section in the book where he cites his sources. I eat medium carbs as I am hypothyroid and it messes up my thyroid to go low carb. Plus carbs taste damn nice. I personally cannot function on most grains, they hurt my stomach and my joints ache, not to mention the headaches. I am very athletic amd have never been overweight not fat and have never been. So your comment was just as unscientific as the rest of us saying 'all grains are evil' based on our n=1 experiments.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 06:44 AM

Haha. I should have an 'angry paleo person' t-shirt.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Hey Chump, were you in the process of burning fat during that period, or was your weight stable?

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:36 AM

+1. Like I said yesterday, I think 100% strict paleo is an amazing healing tool, but there has to be a point at which one makes the plan their own. If not, I would argue that one isn't listening to their body's signals.

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(2830)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:23 AM

Anon Chump, I appreciate the report. I never had the courage to try Esselstyn's diet because I knew that eating oats + fruit for breakfast would send me into a blood-sugar tailspin - but before I tried Paleo, I found plant-based a very tempting, romantic idea.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on May 13, 2012
at 10:38 PM

I increased fat while greatly decreasing carbs and my LDL shot up. Whether that's a negative is another discussion. But my total cholesterol shot up over 100 points and my LDL shot up over 80 points when I increased fat and cut carbs.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on May 13, 2012
at 10:36 PM

JessicaG, just my personal experience here, but I saw VERY positive results following Esselstyn but only for the first two years or so. Shortly thereafter, my B12 depleted and my iron levels plummeted. Yes, I supplemented both. Anyway, by the end of the third year I was in the moderate category of anemic. Let me tell you, that's not a good place to be. Again, just my own personal experience. (I was absolutely compliant, by the way. No junk food and no variances or cheats.)

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

(242)

on May 13, 2012
at 10:34 PM

Whoever thinks that a diet rich in grains and gluten is a healthy one shouldn't even be on this site. It blows my mind you are even trying to dispute that.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 13, 2012
at 10:15 PM

Love the dogma. It makes your picture more fitting.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 13, 2012
at 10:14 PM

Your trolling is bad and you should feel bad.

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on May 13, 2012
at 05:16 AM

Spelt has gluten, just so you know.

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on May 12, 2012
at 10:56 PM

Since many nutrients are fat-soluble, eliminating fat from the diet is no bueno.

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(2830)

on May 12, 2012
at 10:24 PM

I've wondered about this, because people see healthy results on the Esselstyn plant-based no-fat diet and also on Paleo - one diet eliminates all fat, the other all grains, and both report increased energy, weight loss, etc. I'm curious about whether grains + fat is somehow a catalyst for something nasty.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 13, 2012
at 10:47 PM

I switched to such a diet from strict paleo around two years ago or so and my blood markers have stayed favorable. My motivation for switching was I had some random health problems crop up while on paleo, which did resolve when I added certain grains to my diet (buckwheat and rice in particular). You'll find a lot of people on this diet who started out paleo and went towards "Perfect Health Diet" (based on the book by that name) or Weston A. Price-style diets. I find it's mainly people who are new to paleo who are very dogmatic about grains. It makes me sad because what ever happened to the 80-20 principle? Many of them would be shocked to find their favorite gurus enjoy tacos and sushi, just not every day.

I would see what happens when you eliminate or switch grains. Spelt could be an issue because it has gluten in it. Often oat contain gluten too.

So far, in this thread, not one person has posted any scientific study to backup their claims, nor any n=1 data. That says a lot to me.

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(5959)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:29 PM

For me, WAP was a stepping stone on the way to paleo. My diet had been heavily influenced by Ayurveda and Indian vegetarianism, loaded with grains and beans. I ditched the PUFA oils and started making fermented foods, but my weight kept going up. I didn't lose weight until I shifted toward paleo and reduced grain consumption from dietary staple to 2 slices of sprouted whole grain toast per day.

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:36 AM

+1. Like I said yesterday, I think 100% strict paleo is an amazing healing tool, but there has to be a point at which one makes the plan their own. If not, I would argue that one isn't listening to their body's signals.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:08 AM

I don't think this is 80/20. This is everyday. I guess if she feels fine whatevs. My comment was partly in jest. My husband is 50, very athletic and eats grains almost everyday. I do worry sometimes though that he's just going to keel over and die from all the bagels.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 14, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Yeah, weight hasn't been an issue with me for years and in fact it has been too low, so this wasn't a consideration for me.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on May 13, 2012
at 11:48 PM

I agree with Melissa. I cycle my carbs, but when I add them back in a couple days a week it is often in the form of rice (sushi) or potatoes. I am not gluten intolerant, but I feel like if I keep exposing myself to it consistently, it may become an issue, so I choose not to eat it.

A protein in oatmeal is similar to gluten, so I try to avoid it now that I know that. You can always switch to rice cereal, which has a similar taste/texture or even try this stuff I've seen called "quinoa flakes." don't get me wrong though, I ate a 40g serving of oats religiously everyday for a couple years straight, and noticed zero side effects from it. It wasn't until I read a bunch of fat people bashing grains and carbs who don't know a damn thing about healthy metabolisms and being athletic that I stopped eating them at all. I have kept it out of my diet because i am now paranoid and scared to from believing these morons. Whoops that was harsh. Oh well, I don't actually give a damn.

If you don't need to lose hell weight and feel fine consuming them, I say just keep at it, in moderation.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:06 AM

Whoa! The comment about fat people bashing grains is a it off. Im pretty sure Robb Wolf has a reference section in the book where he cites his sources. I eat medium carbs as I am hypothyroid and it messes up my thyroid to go low carb. Plus carbs taste damn nice. I personally cannot function on most grains, they hurt my stomach and my joints ache, not to mention the headaches. I am very athletic amd have never been overweight not fat and have never been. So your comment was just as unscientific as the rest of us saying 'all grains are evil' based on our n=1 experiments.

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on May 13, 2012
at 10:14 PM

No .

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on May 13, 2012
at 08:05 PM

Two main reasons to switch to saturated fats are the inflammation caused by PUFA, and the Omega 3/6 balance.

Polyunsaturated fats like vegetable oils are often processed, deodorized, and oxidized, and can cause inflammation within the body. Switching to minimally processed saturated fats will help with this.

In addition, vegetable oils are high in Omega 6, and the Omega 3s that they do have are often damaged or not in a usable form, so it throws off the 3/6 balance.

However, your body can more easily store fats when eaten with carbohydrates, as the higher insulin leads to more fat storage. I think Cordain also thinks that eating grains with saturated fat leads to heart disease.

I use saturated fat in my eating plan, but keep it much lower when I am eating carbs. While its never "low fat," your fat should be lower if you are eating grains.

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7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

on May 13, 2012
at 05:52 PM

It is my impression that increasing fat WHILE decreasing carbs is very healthy and will not adversely impact cholesterol & LDL.

However, if you eat carbs at the same time as high fat, you could indeed have a negative effect on LDL.

Perhaps the more expert ones here might have some citations to back that up.

Mike

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on May 13, 2012
at 10:38 PM

I increased fat while greatly decreasing carbs and my LDL shot up. Whether that's a negative is another discussion. But my total cholesterol shot up over 100 points and my LDL shot up over 80 points when I increased fat and cut carbs.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on May 14, 2012
at 12:51 AM

Hey Chump, were you in the process of burning fat during that period, or was your weight stable?

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5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 13, 2012
at 05:47 PM

The question should be why the hell you are eating grains in the first place?

Spelt is sill gluten, oats are still grains.. You aren't going to get any healthier just because you are eating more fat.

STOP WITH THE GRAINS!!!!!!!

Oh dear. I seem to have become an angry paleo person..

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:12 AM

I hope people realise that this is partly in jest. I don't think any of this in the grand scheme of life means anything. I don't think at our deathbeds we shall be thinking about the oatcake we ate or the rice "that one time'

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 13, 2012
at 10:15 PM

Love the dogma. It makes your picture more fitting.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on May 14, 2012
at 06:44 AM

Haha. I should have an 'angry paleo person' t-shirt.

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on May 12, 2012
at 10:29 PM

Grains, even without the fats, aren't doing you any good. They may not be instantly showing signs of any harm, but they're still grains with all the intrinsic drawbacks. Look at the multitude of data gathered by those better versed in the science behind it than I.

However, when you combine grains with fats, no matter how healthy, you introduce a whole new set of issues. I am surprised that you have not found more information on this than you mention here. Try a search including Paleo, primal, grains, and healthy fats.

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48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

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on May 13, 2012
at 10:07 PM

Sorry to say it, but your diet is just terrible and unhealthy.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 13, 2012
at 10:14 PM

Your trolling is bad and you should feel bad.

48b3a3fac68ce4e0b80d8d29a584cc93

(242)

on May 13, 2012
at 10:34 PM

Whoever thinks that a diet rich in grains and gluten is a healthy one shouldn't even be on this site. It blows my mind you are even trying to dispute that.

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