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if you're not sensitive to gluten, are grains really that bad?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created January 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM

let's say you eat a big bowl of pasta with salmon and tomatoes and a bunch of vegetables. would the grains really be that bad in such a context?

i know grains are purported to have anti-nutrients but are they enough to counter the "healthy" stuff?

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on February 01, 2013
at 03:34 AM

@Roth, ding ding ding! Good point.

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 31, 2013
at 09:33 PM

Great thanks! Now you will send a load of traffic back there when I am yet to launch v2.0. ;)

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 31, 2013
at 09:32 PM

Great thanks! Now you will send a load of traffic back there when I am still yet launch FP 2.0. ;)

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 31, 2013
at 09:13 PM

You are crazy. Also, hooray for freepaleo.com ;-)

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on January 31, 2013
at 09:02 PM

Correct. ____________

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on January 31, 2013
at 09:02 PM

1942 was a pretty chaotic time in history. I can think of a few more reasons why they might have gotten rickets.

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on January 31, 2013
at 07:12 PM

Actually population is tied directly to energy. Oil production utilized by the internal combustion engine, and the food that was able to be produced is the causation of population. Which is no where near un-sustainable. As Foreveryoung so clearly pointed out.

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on January 31, 2013
at 07:11 PM

Oh, sorry the above is @Greymouser :)

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on January 31, 2013
at 07:11 PM

and new geniuses/entrepeneurs/innovators are given birth to, the chances of which increases with higher population growth.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 31, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Unmaintainable? We can fit the whole of the world's population inside the Grand Canyon. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if each person were alotted a 1K square feet. Also, with more people being born, more geniuses are born as well. Geniuses innovate and find solutions to the world's problems. The Malthusian Trap is only relevant as well if new industries are never created. New industries are created and will continue to be created as long as government regulations do not stifle competition and some semblance of a free market is preserved.. .

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on January 31, 2013
at 07:09 PM

Unmaintainable? We can fit the whole of the world's population inside the Grand Canyon. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if each person were alotted a 1K square feet. Also, with more people being born, more geniuses are born as well. Genius innovate and find solutions to the world's problems. The Malthusian Trap is only relevant as well if new industries are never created. New industries are created and will continue to be created as long as government regulations do not stifle competition and some semblance of a free market is preserved.

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on January 31, 2013
at 07:01 PM

Please, argue it - I'm in rapt attention. I may have argued that unmaintainable, explosive human population growth occurred because of agriculture, but you've gone further. ;-)

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on January 31, 2013
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As long as you keep up your two week fasts, and read the answers to your previous questions, you should be fine!

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 31, 2013
at 08:40 PM

Call me crazy, but hasn't pretty much every Paleo book covered this topic? I thought this was kind of the big point.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 31, 2013
at 09:13 PM

You are crazy. Also, hooray for freepaleo.com ;-)

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:33 PM

Great thanks! Now you will send a load of traffic back there when I am yet to launch v2.0. ;)

Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

(8574)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:32 PM

Great thanks! Now you will send a load of traffic back there when I am still yet launch FP 2.0. ;)

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75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

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on January 31, 2013
at 08:52 PM

If you have bowel issues and a leaky gut then indeed all grains are bad until your gut heals. At least this is my experience.

_Lazza

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

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on January 31, 2013
at 09:02 PM

Correct. ____________

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D7cc4049bef85d1979efbd853dc07c8e

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on January 31, 2013
at 08:13 PM

The opioid peptides and wheat germ agglutinin are still pretty bad news.

About whole wheat: In 1942 Ireland switched from white to whole wheat flour and a rickets epidemic broke out. So whole wheat has SOME problem alone that white wheat flour is absent in.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 01, 2013
at 03:34 AM

@Roth, ding ding ding! Good point.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on January 31, 2013
at 09:02 PM

1942 was a pretty chaotic time in history. I can think of a few more reasons why they might have gotten rickets.

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C0ddf5f88d3d0cfab0c5d875b0eae9ec

on January 31, 2013
at 06:58 PM

NO grains are not bad when they are whole grains.

Gluten issues were very rare until the Agri business started breeding programs that increased the amount of gluten in wheat, rye, and barley. It's the Wonder bread generation that motivated the labs of Monsanto, Syngenta, etc... to bastardize nature.

Heritage grains and god grains don't have the same gluten overload, so the bran, and germ can balance out the white fluffy parts.

Wild rice, quinoa, millet, etc... are staples in ancient history, and it can be argued that without the base grains, man would have died off a long time ago.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 31, 2013
at 07:11 PM

Oh, sorry the above is @Greymouser :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 31, 2013
at 07:11 PM

and new geniuses/entrepeneurs/innovators are given birth to, the chances of which increases with higher population growth.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 31, 2013
at 07:10 PM

Unmaintainable? We can fit the whole of the world's population inside the Grand Canyon. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if each person were alotted a 1K square feet. Also, with more people being born, more geniuses are born as well. Geniuses innovate and find solutions to the world's problems. The Malthusian Trap is only relevant as well if new industries are never created. New industries are created and will continue to be created as long as government regulations do not stifle competition and some semblance of a free market is preserved.. .

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on January 31, 2013
at 07:01 PM

Please, argue it - I'm in rapt attention. I may have argued that unmaintainable, explosive human population growth occurred because of agriculture, but you've gone further. ;-)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on January 31, 2013
at 07:09 PM

Unmaintainable? We can fit the whole of the world's population inside the Grand Canyon. The entire population can fit in the state of Texas if each person were alotted a 1K square feet. Also, with more people being born, more geniuses are born as well. Genius innovate and find solutions to the world's problems. The Malthusian Trap is only relevant as well if new industries are never created. New industries are created and will continue to be created as long as government regulations do not stifle competition and some semblance of a free market is preserved.

C0ddf5f88d3d0cfab0c5d875b0eae9ec

(91)

on January 31, 2013
at 07:12 PM

Actually population is tied directly to energy. Oil production utilized by the internal combustion engine, and the food that was able to be produced is the causation of population. Which is no where near un-sustainable. As Foreveryoung so clearly pointed out.

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5dd50f78f47b8848d93724d6eb38d4c1

on February 01, 2013
at 02:23 AM

"Grains" cover such a wide array of foods. To say they're all bad is just ignorant. Pretty much all civilisations have reliance on one or more grain staples. If you buy into the "modern wheat is bad" hypothesis there's lots of other grains available like rice, oats, barley, rye, triticale, quinoa, millet, sorgham, amaranth, maize, buckwheat, bulger. etc etc.

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5616e8de3e99ae199d9fd896098a331a

on January 31, 2013
at 07:06 PM

No food is bad as long as you fill it with bacon.

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