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Getting Sick from airborne Grains

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Created May 24, 2011 at 7:33 PM

Is it possible that I'm still getting symptoms because I live with other people who eat SAD diet? I never cross contaminate and have all my own cookware and keep my food separate, but I'm around them when we all eat together. ???

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 06, 2011
at 12:13 PM

as we know, getting tested is less valuable that self-experimentation

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 06, 2011
at 12:10 PM

Rose. There are behavioral therapy, anti-depress's, counseling, yoga, breathing, and bunch of ways people approach mental issues. NONE of them bring the relief and answer as DIET does. I don't believe mental issues really lie anywhere else besides originating from the gut. All other mental problems can be worked out overtime. A real mental issue is one that doesn't go away, that defines a mental problem, one that doesn't go away and isn't related to anything happening in your life. !!

425aa4bfb79556ed50ea693c3edd7e13

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on May 25, 2011
at 06:53 PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are still getting "symptoms" because not everything is going to be cured by some magic diet and wishful thinking.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on May 25, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Darlin, we are in agreement about the importance of diet. Airborne gluten does not fall into that category, IMO. If you **know** you feel better *not* living in that environment, then I think you know what to do. --- However, I remain doubtful that your problem is airborne gluten. If you are truly 100% sure that your diet is safe (not just gluten-free but also free of all other allergens & intolerances), and you are now looking to air quality, I would start with mold.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on May 25, 2011
at 02:06 PM

They Arenusing home test kits for gluten and have tested dish soaps, etc.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:06 PM

I hear you! Just be sure to give gluten zap a look.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:34 PM

I dont. I think it's so much more diet than we ever suspect. If I'm able to eat exactly how I want, and am living in a place wihtout any grains, I feel like a different person. I'm not wasting my time thinking that lifestyle will make any positive changes for me. I know that diet is behind disease. I love knowing that mental problems are diet, when the world think they are engrained childhood trauma's.

1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

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on May 25, 2011
at 12:00 PM

See texasleah's comment on akd's post. I have heard internet rumors of people being that sensitive. Get tested if you think it's an issue.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 25, 2011
at 02:59 AM

nope, I do all those things. I rarely find anything new on gluten pages. I've been doing this research everyday for the past year

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:58 AM

There are worse things that going extinct

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 25, 2011
at 01:47 AM

Survival doesn't require optimal individual health and happiness.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:17 AM

well, they aren't any paleo room mates out there

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 10:50 PM

@Laura, we should get together for a Paleo lunch one of these days.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 10:00 PM

@Thomas I get it:)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Look, Rud, I'm not dismissing the seriousness of your complaint, but I have an AI disorder, too, and I can't handle any grain. But it "being in the air" is really not too plausible. That's pretty close to claiming that it's negative thoughts on the astral plane or something. I'd begin to look elsewhere for the source of the issue. Emily Deans over at the Evolutionary Psychiatry blog has some interesting posts on depression. http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/ Maybe start there?

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on May 24, 2011
at 09:18 PM

@Anonymous Coward: sorry to have misinterpreted. The orthorexia comment was just a joke referencing the way that it seems to have become a sort of meme around here of late.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

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on May 24, 2011
at 09:16 PM

I have read posts of people who are allergic to wheat and they cannot go into a bakery or be at someone's house if they have not cleaned their kitchen thoroughly after baking with wheat flour due to possible ingestion through the nose or touching their eyes. I guess some people are more sensitive than others, but some sufferers say their allergy can definitely be set off by airborne particles. Of course these are just internet postings, so Rud if you think you are that sensitive you should see a doctor!

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 09:04 PM

@Simibee: I didn't say you were. I was actually referring to your orthorexia comment. In other words, who cares if "this sort of behavior leads to accusations of orthorexia"?

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:54 PM

And none of us are in your household -- you are the one in a position to track how your food gets into your body. Just sayin.'

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:53 PM

But if there's no cross-contamination with your containers, where would the substance come from? I'm quite serious, now -- I doubt it's floating through the air. If you think there's some means of transmission -- physical means -- then you need to track it down and eliminate it.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Good point. Perhaps it really would be significant.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Good point. Perhaps it would be significant.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Think peanut allergy

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Think peanut allergy

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

(571)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:01 PM

so you believe yes but why do you believe it?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 24, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Rose. See, you don't have a serious condition. If you look at autistic kids who go paleo, they do a lot better if its very strict, and are set way back from even a smidge of grains. I'm not worried, but I'm not getting 100% healthy. "Think peanut allergy" That's what I'm refering to

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:00 PM

With me, I get moody, foggy, and irritated if I get jsut a little grain in my system for days. This means it's along the lines of an autoimmune response. people with reactions from smelling peanuts in the air have this same response. I think I'm remaining sick because it's in the air!

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on May 24, 2011
at 07:59 PM

I'm not "accusing" him of any "mental disorder". Rud is (according to his own post) having problems with depression. It is vanishingly unlikely that his housemate's morning bowl of Wheaties is the cause of this. There is no stigma to looking for some outside help with your problems.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Oh no! Not accusations of some mental "disorder"!

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Are you trying to make an analogy? If so, it doesn't seem like a very good one. Does "Jennifer Aniston getting sick on the episode of Friends he watched" put germs in the air in his room like his roommates' eating habits put SAD food particles in the air? Probably not.

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Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on May 24, 2011
at 07:49 PM

Do they talk with their mouths full?

More seriously, if you're careful about gluten cross-contamination, it shouldn't be an issue for most people, unless they are a full-blown coeliac. IMHO it's healthier (especially since your post is tagged with "depression") to continue to socialise with your SAD-eating housemates rather than to isolate yourself, not least because this sort of behaviour leads to accusations of orthorexia!

Eating together with people we care about (and who care about us) is one of the most primally bonding and healing social activities. I know that this view may not be popular here, and it may not be what you want to hear, but sometimes depression is greater than ourselves or our environment. There are plenty of people who can help you with a wide variety of approaches from "traditional" shrinks to art therapy; I suggest that you find one.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 09:04 PM

@Simibee: I didn't say you were. I was actually referring to your orthorexia comment. In other words, who cares if "this sort of behavior leads to accusations of orthorexia"?

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on May 24, 2011
at 09:18 PM

@Anonymous Coward: sorry to have misinterpreted. The orthorexia comment was just a joke referencing the way that it seems to have become a sort of meme around here of late.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Oh no! Not accusations of some mental "disorder"!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Think peanut allergy

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on May 24, 2011
at 07:59 PM

I'm not "accusing" him of any "mental disorder". Rud is (according to his own post) having problems with depression. It is vanishingly unlikely that his housemate's morning bowl of Wheaties is the cause of this. There is no stigma to looking for some outside help with your problems.

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Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:45 PM

wheat is not airborne. a friend of my nephews is very, very allergic to wheat gluten- like, carries an epi pen everywhere with her at five years old- and she goes to public school and carries on and shares meals with people every day. her brother and her parents eat wheat. it has no effect on her.

D67e7b481854b02110d5a5b21d6789b1

(4111)

on May 24, 2011
at 09:16 PM

I have read posts of people who are allergic to wheat and they cannot go into a bakery or be at someone's house if they have not cleaned their kitchen thoroughly after baking with wheat flour due to possible ingestion through the nose or touching their eyes. I guess some people are more sensitive than others, but some sufferers say their allergy can definitely be set off by airborne particles. Of course these are just internet postings, so Rud if you think you are that sensitive you should see a doctor!

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 07:46 PM

NO! You are also not getting sick because Jennifer Aniston caught a cold on the episode of "Friends" you watched.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 10:00 PM

@Thomas I get it:)

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Look, Rud, I'm not dismissing the seriousness of your complaint, but I have an AI disorder, too, and I can't handle any grain. But it "being in the air" is really not too plausible. That's pretty close to claiming that it's negative thoughts on the astral plane or something. I'd begin to look elsewhere for the source of the issue. Emily Deans over at the Evolutionary Psychiatry blog has some interesting posts on depression. http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com/ Maybe start there?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 07:51 PM

Are you trying to make an analogy? If so, it doesn't seem like a very good one. Does "Jennifer Aniston getting sick on the episode of Friends he watched" put germs in the air in his room like his roommates' eating habits put SAD food particles in the air? Probably not.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:00 PM

With me, I get moody, foggy, and irritated if I get jsut a little grain in my system for days. This means it's along the lines of an autoimmune response. people with reactions from smelling peanuts in the air have this same response. I think I'm remaining sick because it's in the air!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 10:50 PM

@Laura, we should get together for a Paleo lunch one of these days.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 06, 2011
at 12:10 PM

Rose. There are behavioral therapy, anti-depress's, counseling, yoga, breathing, and bunch of ways people approach mental issues. NONE of them bring the relief and answer as DIET does. I don't believe mental issues really lie anywhere else besides originating from the gut. All other mental problems can be worked out overtime. A real mental issue is one that doesn't go away, that defines a mental problem, one that doesn't go away and isn't related to anything happening in your life. !!

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 07:44 PM

I have to say, this seems rather unlikely to me. I doubt gluten is wafting through the air, or that opioid peptides from the cereal boxes are sneaking into your stomach at night.

Sorry, I don't mean to mock. In all seriousness, my husband still eats grains, and I keep crackers on the shelf for my mom when she visits, and as far as I can tell I'm not suffering any ill effects. However -- they still eat better than most SAD eaters, and in my mom's case, as her meat intake increases and her sugar intake decreases, she's actually become slightly less wound up, and easier to deal with. Slightly.

Which makes me wonder if it's not the presence of the grains so much that's affecting you, as it is the personality effects of the SAD on your roommates. A lotta, lotta people report mood and personality improvements when they get off the SAD. I was able to drop anti-depressants, and there are other stories out there like mine.

Just a thought.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:53 PM

But if there's no cross-contamination with your containers, where would the substance come from? I'm quite serious, now -- I doubt it's floating through the air. If you think there's some means of transmission -- physical means -- then you need to track it down and eliminate it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:01 PM

Rose. See, you don't have a serious condition. If you look at autistic kids who go paleo, they do a lot better if its very strict, and are set way back from even a smidge of grains. I'm not worried, but I'm not getting 100% healthy. "Think peanut allergy" That's what I'm refering to

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:54 PM

And none of us are in your household -- you are the one in a position to track how your food gets into your body. Just sayin.'

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559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 25, 2011
at 05:49 AM

i think it's something else.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on May 25, 2011
at 04:46 PM

Darlin, we are in agreement about the importance of diet. Airborne gluten does not fall into that category, IMO. If you **know** you feel better *not* living in that environment, then I think you know what to do. --- However, I remain doubtful that your problem is airborne gluten. If you are truly 100% sure that your diet is safe (not just gluten-free but also free of all other allergens & intolerances), and you are now looking to air quality, I would start with mold.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:34 PM

I dont. I think it's so much more diet than we ever suspect. If I'm able to eat exactly how I want, and am living in a place wihtout any grains, I feel like a different person. I'm not wasting my time thinking that lifestyle will make any positive changes for me. I know that diet is behind disease. I love knowing that mental problems are diet, when the world think they are engrained childhood trauma's.

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13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:19 AM

You should check in with the celiac.com and gluten zap forums to be sure you aren't missing anything. Are they doing any baking? You have your own dish towel and sponge, etc.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:06 PM

I hear you! Just be sure to give gluten zap a look.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:59 AM

nope, I do all those things. I rarely find anything new on gluten pages. I've been doing this research everyday for the past year

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:06 PM

They Arenusing home test kits for gluten and have tested dish soaps, etc.

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66283d390809787a11a81be7ee5fb98d

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on May 25, 2011
at 01:38 AM

I think if humans were that susceptible to illness, we'd have gone extinct about a million years ago.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 25, 2011
at 01:47 AM

Survival doesn't require optimal individual health and happiness.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 02:58 AM

There are worse things that going extinct

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1fc9c11cf23b2f62ac78979de933ad83

(2435)

on May 24, 2011
at 10:01 PM

Can you afford to isolate yourself for a few days? Maybe get a cheap hotel room and eat there? If they're cooking with flour, it could very well be getting in the air. If they just have a loaf of bread in the cabinet, it's less likely. I would try a controlled experiment, and if it proves true, perhaps scour the net for other celiac or paleo room mates.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 25, 2011
at 01:17 AM

well, they aren't any paleo room mates out there

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1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

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on May 24, 2011
at 07:49 PM

I believe the answer is Yes, but that is with the caveat that you'd need to be extremely sensitive. I wouldn't immediately tell the roommates they are making you sick as that would cause more problems. Instead, you may want to get tested for celiac. In the meantime get more sunshine and more sleep to deal with the second tag.

1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

(5506)

on May 25, 2011
at 12:00 PM

See texasleah's comment on akd's post. I have heard internet rumors of people being that sensitive. Get tested if you think it's an issue.

35a8b223ae5d863f17a8c9e3a8eed5eb

(571)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:01 PM

so you believe yes but why do you believe it?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 06, 2011
at 12:13 PM

as we know, getting tested is less valuable that self-experimentation

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6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I'm sure there's SOME effect, but I wouldn't assume it's significant.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Good point. Perhaps it really would be significant.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 24, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Good point. Perhaps it would be significant.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 24, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Think peanut allergy

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