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commenting on blogs that dislike paleo

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created September 16, 2011 at 12:22 PM

is anyone commenting on blogs that dis' paleo? whenever mainstream nutritionists say skipping grains and low fat pasteurized dairy is a bad idea, my blood boils. They just love the nutritional value of grains. . . I have to comment. Anyone else?

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on September 17, 2011
at 05:22 AM

You can say ass. It's the internet.

2fbba2cfe386a13fd7888ccc0c50fe92

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on September 17, 2011
at 01:44 AM

+1 Spelling and Grammar Police Unite!! Nothing hurts credibility more than bad spelling and grammar!

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on September 17, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Temper, temper. Nothing's worse than boiled blood...well maybe in boudin it'd be ok....

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:06 PM

LOL that's so true LOL again

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on September 16, 2011
at 01:38 PM

I agree with you, Jared, about their beliefs frequently having to do with dogma and ethical reasons. But this isn't necessarily something to dismiss. There are plenty of paleo people that avoid items for no other clear reason than "a caveman wouldn't have had access to it." And while I disagree with the ethics of vegetariansim, I do acknowledge that is the *most* defensible reason to eat only vegetables. In fact, I have less time for people who eat meat while simultaneously being totally squeamish about killing animals.

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:54 PM

It'll never happen because many of their beliefs don't have anything to do with science. It's all about dogma and their "ethical" reasons for not eating meat. Human beings are the only species on the planet irrational enough to worry about the feelings of their food supply, but I digress... Even if Ancel Keys rose from the dead and held a press conference about how dietary fat is good for you and he completely sh*t the bed regarding the lipid hypothesis, most vegans and vegetarians wouldn't change their tune, which is fine by me. Less demand = lower prices!

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24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

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on September 16, 2011
at 02:08 PM

It's still a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine, but I'm really trying to cut back! ;) I came across one yesterday that referred to couscous as "a perfectly good grain" and I just couldn't let that one slide :(

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F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on September 16, 2011
at 03:24 PM

I have no trouble respectfully correcting any inaccuracies I see in a story. I'm not talking about vegetarian/vegan blogs or anything, that's not my fight. But Paleo is in the mainstream more and more, and it would be a disservice to let bald a$$ lies sit out there unchallenged.

Anyone who hasn't read J. Stanton's piece about where Paleo is in its development should check out http://www.gnolls.org/2199/you-are-a-radical-and-so-am-i-paleo-reaches-the-ominous-stage-3/

The personal truly is political here and I feel like the stakes are too high to let the idiots dismiss it without solid research or effort.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on September 17, 2011
at 05:22 AM

You can say ass. It's the internet.

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:32 PM

I avoid them because they raise my cortisol which is counter productive. I would only discuss my differences with others in person if the conversation were calm.

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on September 16, 2011
at 01:12 PM

I see no need in doing that. We each have to find our own way to health. You can't MAKE anyone see the light. Everyone of us came to this point because we tried the other ways and found it just didn't work for us. They have to learn on their own.

I have never understood the animosity between vegans and paleo followers. To each his own.

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:46 PM

It used to make me ultra-angry, now I just listen to Jimmy Moore and other nice guys and don't try to discuss the matter with vegans or vegetarians anymore. But when they're finally gonna admit meat is good for you, and fat is great, I'm gonna be the first one to run around the house and shout "I told ya!".

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:54 PM

It'll never happen because many of their beliefs don't have anything to do with science. It's all about dogma and their "ethical" reasons for not eating meat. Human beings are the only species on the planet irrational enough to worry about the feelings of their food supply, but I digress... Even if Ancel Keys rose from the dead and held a press conference about how dietary fat is good for you and he completely sh*t the bed regarding the lipid hypothesis, most vegans and vegetarians wouldn't change their tune, which is fine by me. Less demand = lower prices!

F5a8a14fc6a4d33c2563d0dd3066698a

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on September 16, 2011
at 01:38 PM

I agree with you, Jared, about their beliefs frequently having to do with dogma and ethical reasons. But this isn't necessarily something to dismiss. There are plenty of paleo people that avoid items for no other clear reason than "a caveman wouldn't have had access to it." And while I disagree with the ethics of vegetariansim, I do acknowledge that is the *most* defensible reason to eat only vegetables. In fact, I have less time for people who eat meat while simultaneously being totally squeamish about killing animals.

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on September 16, 2011
at 02:33 PM

I try to respect others in their internet homes as I would want to be respected in my own.

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on September 16, 2011
at 01:30 PM

It took me a little while, but I realized talking about paleo is a lot like talking about religion. People who have differing beliefs are rarely are open-minded about another's beliefs. And the same goes for a diet that is the opposite of what everyone has been (wrongly) taught. The taboo topics for civilized discussion should be politics, religion, and diet, it seems.

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on September 16, 2011
at 12:52 PM

I used to indulge in that kind of thing, and I'm not one to shy away from it. In fact, I think that letting people get away with their misinformation is something that DOES need refuting. However, it's extremely hard to do so.

It takes a HUGE amount of energy to debate in those reply threads or forums, because typically the people you're calling out have a large following of devoted readers who will back them up no matter what. And as part of the visiting team, the onus is on YOU to explain the "why's" and "hows". Not really fair...

Inevitably, you're out-numbered. Even the best ancestral scientists etc find it hard to keep up a substantive level of commitment to such threads. (harris, taubes, wolf, lalonde vs. aragon, carbsane, oz, peele, etc)

It's only worth it if you can go in with a few paleo/ancestral folks to help you with any volume, as arguing with 10 different people at the same time on 10 different points is completely exhausting.

I still am firmly in the camp of "keep up the good fight" as I would be with any type of injustice.

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on September 16, 2011
at 03:48 PM

Paleo-people comments on conventional wisdom blogs spark a discussion, always a good thing. We just need to remember: no one likes to be preached at. If a vegan, vegetarian or Standard American Diet works for someone then let it be.

Now, if you are going to leave a comment on a conventional wisdom blog, please check your grammar/spelling. You didn't "loose" "alot" of weight on paleo.

Fracking learn to spell cavepeople!

F1b82cc7e6d90384ad30007dd6c1b9e3

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on September 16, 2011
at 07:06 PM

LOL that's so true LOL again

2fbba2cfe386a13fd7888ccc0c50fe92

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on September 17, 2011
at 01:44 AM

+1 Spelling and Grammar Police Unite!! Nothing hurts credibility more than bad spelling and grammar!

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on September 16, 2011
at 01:13 PM

I am with the folks that it raises my stress levels if I engage in the fruitless comment wars. I have yet to see any good come out of them so I don't bother. There is rarely a discussion in the comments and they typically get pretty defensive as each side tries to out comment/link each other. LOL At times I feel they do quite a dis-service to the paleo and can turn people off to paleo. Similar to how I feel about PETA. They may have started with good intentions but they are so far out there now I totally ignore anything from them because I think they are a bunch of irrational loons. It is like leaving a turd in someone else's sandbox and wondering why they won't come out and play. Ha! I would rather support the paleo folks vs try and convert/bring down the non paleo folks. If that makes any sense. LOL!

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2fbba2cfe386a13fd7888ccc0c50fe92

on September 17, 2011
at 01:30 AM

"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still"

Folks who slam what others are eating have vision problems and aren't ever going to bring others to their point of view. It's like arguing religion. People have to "hit bottom" before they try something radically different unless they are open to other viewpoints and most people aren't open to that kind of scrutiny - especially not from strangers on the web. I don't waste my time, energy and emotions trying to convert those who don't want to be converted.

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on September 16, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Paleo has attained sufficient public standing that news editors feel drawn to cover it, invariably using the "caveman" angle. When writers get assigned to cover stories with a pro/con angle, they invariably turn to establishment "experts" to weigh in. Usually, these people are given the last word in the story: the familiar cautionary voice that closes repeating every standard myth about fat being bad, meat being dangerous, and so forth. "Fad Diet" is obviously the media cliche du jour. My advice is not to get exercised about it. I wouldn't spend my days responding to posts. Hard enough to deal with skeptical family and friends. The dilemma we face is the one faced by all people who step outside prevailing orthodoxies and think for themselves. Ours is a species that likes automatic pilot because, much of the time, it seems to work. Remember that seagull named Jonathan. He dared to fly for the fun of it, even though his fellow gulls were appalled. As Dear Marie put it, kind of: "Let them eat carbs."

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on September 16, 2011
at 02:53 PM

The only time I get excitable outside our community on food is if it affects my kids directly--it's amazing how often they've come home and had a donut or cookie at school that day. Now Meatless Monday is being touted. Other than that I just think...more pastured butter for me.

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on September 16, 2011
at 02:49 PM

I believe that walking becomes a problem when, like running, the miles start to become the goal for weight loss. At that point we're back to a lot of aerobics and the inherent problems with body composition and possibly hunger.

The right food in the right amounts at the right times plus HIIT (or some form of brief intensity) will produce the best results in the long term.

Instead of miles I now try to relax and enjoy my time outside. I also try to be more social, instead of taking the attitude that I need to get going to get my walking in.

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