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Breakfast for people who love grains and hate everything else?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 28, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I'm trying to help my friend with avoiding grains and sugar. The problem is, she loves grains and sugar based foods, and dislikes everything else. She's super addicted to glucose. Usually our conversations go like this:

  • Me: Oats are very unhealthy.
  • Her: Then what am I supposed to eat for breakfast?
  • Me: How about something with eggs?
  • Her: Yuck, I hate eggs!
  • Me: What about meat... chicken, steak, bacon or ham?
  • Her: No way, not for breakfast.
  • Me: Some nice smoked salmon!
  • Her: I hate fish.
  • Me: Nuts?
  • Her: I hate nuts.

It goes on, her taste is so incredibly limited, that she often just fasts, which in my opinion is probably her best option, and its actually what I do most days since I don't get hungry at that time.

However, she has the same problem at lunch time, but at this point, fasting isn't usually an option, so sadly bread or pasta is chosen.

For dinner its easier, as she'll quite gladly eat chicken at this point, and possibly other meats like steak.

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on April 30, 2013
at 01:38 AM

Also try brown rice pasta as an alternative. Tastes exactly the same! Compromise, don't force her to be "paleo", but gluten-free is better than eating bread

93eea7754e6e94b6085dbabbb48c0bb7

on April 30, 2013
at 01:37 AM

What about quinoa flakes? Not paleo, but gluten free. Better than having refined grains. Add some berries and coconut flakes.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on April 29, 2013
at 03:11 PM

For clarity, I changed xenomorphins to gluteomorphin/exorphins above for clarity as xenomorphins doesn't seem to be a google friendly term.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on April 29, 2013
at 11:07 AM

The same way anyone who read Wheat Belly does - it's documented there. These articles have some details: http://www.thefoodcoach.com.au/blog/default.asp?ArticleID=1202 "Even more telling, the brain effect of gluten-derived polypeptides is blocked by administration of the drug naloxone." Also: http://dr-holden.com/wheat-belly and http://wellnessmama.com/3486/do-you-have-a-wheat-belly-interview-with-dr-davis/ - the kicker is that morphine blocking drugs stop the effect of these substances.

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on April 29, 2013
at 04:57 AM

+1 my thoughts exactly. Can't change someone who is unwilling.

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on April 29, 2013
at 02:22 AM

Oats do not contain gluten. However, they can contain gluten if they come in contact with other gluten containing grains during manufacturing and packaging. If you buy "clean" oats, they are safe even for coeliacs.

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on April 28, 2013
at 06:44 PM

How do you know xenomorphins make wheat very addictive?

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on April 28, 2013
at 04:29 PM

Opps yes of course! Thought I had done so -- did this quickly on my iPad before I had my breakfast heh. Thanks!

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on April 28, 2013
at 03:26 PM

How interesting... I LOVE eggs, fish, meat and nuts and DESPISE oats. I don't know what to tell you. Maybe she can have leftovers for breakfast?

00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

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on April 28, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Dude, get with the Grok program: fat—good! grains—bad! That's why we love Paleo: it's so simple! But more seriously, Oats have gluten, which prompts the body to open the tight junctions in the gut to flush out this toxin, but which lets all sorts of nasty stuff enter the rest of the body that shouldn't. At least, that's what Dr.s Fassiano and Kresser tell us.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on April 28, 2013
at 01:45 PM

It's very nice that you provided this recipe, but perhaps the folks at paleospirit.com would have appreciated a link to the original, yes? http://paleospirit.com/2013/paleo-breakfast-porridge/

7fb5e7849c5d9d8ebdfa9d36786b1fe9

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on April 28, 2013
at 01:40 PM

I am going to have to disagree with oats being harmful. I could agree if you said they were harmful for those with digestive issues, or for those who are insulin resistant. But for someone with a non leaking, healthy gut, who has high insulin sensitivity, who is athletic, and enjoys the texture/flavor/warmth? It seems like they are an economical, delicious, relatively benign source of dense carbohydrates.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on April 28, 2013
at 01:25 PM

Despite the preparation, they are still grains, and still harmful. Sure, not as harmful as wheat, but still will ruin the positive effects you'd get from Paleo in the long run.

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3491e51730101b18724dc57c86601173

(8395)

on April 28, 2013
at 03:09 PM

So Nick, is paleo your idea or hers? Because I hear a "yes, butter", someone who gets a lot of attention by saying "yes", while really saying "no" and always having an excuse why not. "It's too hard, I don't like the food, I'm addicted to sweets, etc"

This becomes an endless game (and if you're in a relationship with a person like this, beware, it's a lose, lose for you because you'll always be the one doing all the work, and in the end you won't get anywhere after all).

If this person was really vested in changing her diet, SHE would be the one here looking for things that would work for HER, and problem-solving for herself. The tweaks and options are out there for her, if SHE really wanted to use them. Many (most?) of us came to Paleo with our own likes and dislikes and figured it out because WE wanted to succeed. In this case, though, not knowing anything about you both, it's clear that YOU want her to succeed and she wants . . . Your time and attention, but certainly not to put herself out there to make changes for herself.

You will get tons of wonderful suggestions here, but I am quite positive she will have a "yes but" for each and every one. You'll be spinning your wheels, I'm afraid to say.

197651282ddd8d675b974ee811d2269e

(1836)

on April 29, 2013
at 04:57 AM

+1 my thoughts exactly. Can't change someone who is unwilling.

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1deaea445ff3b1cb5d1354a043dc8fb7

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on April 28, 2013
at 02:19 PM

only skip breakfast i.e. fasting if you have everything else under control: sleep, stress, light, exercise, diet. Fasting is the cherry on top, it is a stressor (that can elicit positive responses and the research on it is definitely not conclusive. Most people would do better without it. Women normally do worse with it.

Tell your friend to man up and stop being so picky, there are lots of options for breakfast

fruit coconut milk protein shake smoothies eggs bacon salad any meal you like really, full on roast dinner, steak and chips etc.

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Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on April 28, 2013
at 02:06 PM

Don't eat breakfast.

I mostly skip it, sometimes have some fruit, occasionally an omelette.

Are you sure your friend wants to change her habits and improve her health? There's not much point trying to change somebody's habits if they aren't interested in your help.

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7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:57 PM

One of my favorite breakfasts is a sauteed potato and spinach or kale, maybe topped with a fried egg or two. If your friend doesn't digest protein well in the morning, this might work for her.

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5b9a25a1a676397a25579dfad59e1d7b

(2318)

on April 28, 2013
at 11:23 AM

How about a paleo porridge?

breakfast-for-people-who-love-grains-and-hate-everything-else?

Ingredients

2 ripe bananas (or one large, very ripe, plantain), mashed

2 cups coconut milk (or 1 can plus extra water)

3/4 cup almond meal

1/4 cup flax meal

1 teaspoon cinnamon

1/2 teaspoon ginger

1/8 teaspoon ground cloves

1/8 teaspoon ground nutmeg

1/8 teaspoon celtic sea salt

maple syrup or raw honey (optional)

toppings like berries, unsweetened coconut flakes, nuts, seeds, etc??? (optional)

Instructions

Combine all ingredients in a medium saucepan and heat to a slow simmer, stirring, until thick and bubbly.

The consistency will vary depending on the type of coconut milk you use. mixture will seem thin at first but thicken up quickly. It will continue to thicken after it is served so you may need to add extra water or coconut milk.

http://paleospirit.com/2013/paleo-breakfast-porridge/

You can also so things like paleo pancakes, muffins, sweet potato hash, coconut yogurt with granola etc etc...you can make almost anything paleo if you think about it enough really!

5b9a25a1a676397a25579dfad59e1d7b

(2318)

on April 28, 2013
at 04:29 PM

Opps yes of course! Thought I had done so -- did this quickly on my iPad before I had my breakfast heh. Thanks!

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:45 PM

It's very nice that you provided this recipe, but perhaps the folks at paleospirit.com would have appreciated a link to the original, yes? http://paleospirit.com/2013/paleo-breakfast-porridge/

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Ede98d8569d42885d70e07c92d3df34e

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on April 28, 2013
at 03:53 PM

My first instinct, as a few have already suggested, would be to skip breakfast. However, for someone who is "addicted to glucose" is very likely to binge on sugary foods mid-morning if they skip breakfast, unless they have a serious amount of willpower. However, this glucose addiction is the root cause of the problem. Her body does not know how to use fat as a primary source of energy, so when she wakes up with a low blood sugar in the morning, she craves starch and sugar (as with most SADers). Eating a breakfast of paleo-friendly carbs will only cover up the problem, not solve it. Try explain this to her, and see if she can stomach a fat/protein breakfast for the first few days until she adapts.

Another suggestion would be Bulletproof Coffee. Although it might not be everything it's cracked up to be, it's definitely a great way to get into fat burning mode(ketosis) without the hunger.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:34 PM

I would highly recommend simply skipping breakfast, that is doing an Intermittent Fast (IF). Why? If you "love" a grainy breakfast, chances are you're either a sugar or grain addict or both, and doing that would help get you off the sugar and gluteomorphin/exorphins high.

The give away is "so sadly bread or pasta is chosen" - that points to a wheat addiction. Yes kids, wheat contains certain morphine like compounds called exorphins, and it is addictive. They're not as strong as actual morphine, but very much addictive. These are documented in the book Wheat Belly.

Sugar is anecdotally far more addictive than even crack. Robb Wolf mentioned both in one of his very early podcasts and his book how one of his patients, an ex-crack addict mentioned that quitting sugar was harder than quitting crack.

Take a very close look at this and consider it. It's going to be an uphill battle, but the results are well worth.

Unfortunately it takes a lot of time to get rid of the influence of wheat, both the damage to gut lining (AKA leaky gut), any antibodies to wheat (which can cause autoimmune disease), as well as the addiction itself. You'd need at least 30 days for some of these things with absolute zero wheat exposure. The antibodies can hang around even longer - maybe 6 months. As long as there's some wheat ingestion, the damage won't end. Sorry. Tough break, but we all went through this.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on April 28, 2013
at 06:44 PM

How do you know xenomorphins make wheat very addictive?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on April 29, 2013
at 11:07 AM

The same way anyone who read Wheat Belly does - it's documented there. These articles have some details: http://www.thefoodcoach.com.au/blog/default.asp?ArticleID=1202 "Even more telling, the brain effect of gluten-derived polypeptides is blocked by administration of the drug naloxone." Also: http://dr-holden.com/wheat-belly and http://wellnessmama.com/3486/do-you-have-a-wheat-belly-interview-with-dr-davis/ - the kicker is that morphine blocking drugs stop the effect of these substances.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on April 29, 2013
at 03:11 PM

For clarity, I changed xenomorphins to gluteomorphin/exorphins above for clarity as xenomorphins doesn't seem to be a google friendly term.

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142d7e06e608cff536ab78e6ca78ce38

on April 28, 2013
at 11:25 AM

It's ok not to have breakfast, a lot of us don't but then your friend needs something for lunch. What about salads and can add any meat to it. There must be something she likes. I also know that sometimes people can just be difficult.

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4db3a537e0651474362938ffdfb03609

on April 30, 2013
at 12:37 AM

Maybe some rice cereal with coconut or almond milk.

coconut cream or yogurt with fruits.

cereal made with roasted sliced almonds, shredded coconut flakes, dried fruits like strawberries/bananas/raisins little bit of honey and cinnamon.

mush all the above with dates, unsweetened chocolate chips and coconut oil make bars.

plain old fruits.

change for a paleo-friendly friend? lol

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29518a2572c5fe3a851170a9b1c315f3

on April 29, 2013
at 08:43 PM

How about berries with coconut milk and nuts , and maybe a little bit 100% cocoa powder on the top. I eat this every day, love it!

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8d386bf2c5ba20fcc1a2a0c805b217c9

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on April 28, 2013
at 08:47 PM

Paleo Krunch from Steve's Club isn't too bad. You can also make her smoothies, using berries, kale, and heavy cream.

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on April 28, 2013
at 04:41 PM

However, since rice is considered a "safe starch" by many, why not suggest a rice porridge made with fruit and coconut milk as a substitution for her oatmeal? It is warming, filling, delicious, and might be similar enough to get her on board yet different enough to help her transition to more grain-free, sugar free eating.

But my REAL answer is to let your good health be an example to her and don't try to change her. If she can't make simple changes because of taste preferences, then she may not be ready for this lifestyle. If she is a good friend, the stress on the relationship won't be worth it. It's so easy to slip into a passive aggressive manipulative controlling type of dynamic when one person is trying to "help" another with something as complicated as the way they eat.

Good luck!

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on April 28, 2013
at 03:25 PM

I used to be that kind of person, I also hated greens and vegetables during a lot of time and despite of this I even managed to became a vegetarian for personal beliefs and animal welfare. So you can imagine how much grain based and sweet stuff I ate.

Now I'm into Paleo and all the grains-are-bad thing, zero refined sugars and eating lots of animal-based products with plenty of greens, some fruit and near zero anti-nutrients AFAIK.

The change is possible, one gets used with time to any stuff it may be presented, it's evolution and the need for survive at work. But for it to become reality, there's the need that your friend realizes on her own (you can help her providing shocking data) that she has a powerful reason to make a change. She won't do it just because you tell her if she doesn't truly believe it.

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on April 28, 2013
at 02:47 PM

One thing I like if she is okay with dairy:

http://nomnompaleo.com/post/3739232374/cheesy-egg-muffins

I like it because it seems like I can get enough protein and still have something that has a very bread-like texture. Also easy to whip up a bunch and then grab them on the way out the door in the morning.

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7fb5e7849c5d9d8ebdfa9d36786b1fe9

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on April 28, 2013
at 11:57 AM

I dont think it will kill your friend to have some oatmeal. Perhaps you could just make sure that it is properly prepared, and of high quality, such as properly soaked and prepared organic steel cut oats. Also you could try to make the oats more of a condiment and not the centerpiece of the dish, so instead of oatmeal with a little fruit on top, how about a large fruit salad with just a few oats? Make sure to top it off with some grass fed unhomogenized whole milk, raw honey, and non-irradiated organic cinnamon!

00cd3b6f51530a6832fcda1712edbec3

(2411)

on April 28, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Dude, get with the Grok program: fat—good! grains—bad! That's why we love Paleo: it's so simple! But more seriously, Oats have gluten, which prompts the body to open the tight junctions in the gut to flush out this toxin, but which lets all sorts of nasty stuff enter the rest of the body that shouldn't. At least, that's what Dr.s Fassiano and Kresser tell us.

7fb5e7849c5d9d8ebdfa9d36786b1fe9

(178)

on April 29, 2013
at 02:22 AM

Oats do not contain gluten. However, they can contain gluten if they come in contact with other gluten containing grains during manufacturing and packaging. If you buy "clean" oats, they are safe even for coeliacs.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:25 PM

Despite the preparation, they are still grains, and still harmful. Sure, not as harmful as wheat, but still will ruin the positive effects you'd get from Paleo in the long run.

7fb5e7849c5d9d8ebdfa9d36786b1fe9

(178)

on April 28, 2013
at 01:40 PM

I am going to have to disagree with oats being harmful. I could agree if you said they were harmful for those with digestive issues, or for those who are insulin resistant. But for someone with a non leaking, healthy gut, who has high insulin sensitivity, who is athletic, and enjoys the texture/flavor/warmth? It seems like they are an economical, delicious, relatively benign source of dense carbohydrates.

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Ac367d3a93ed0bc2655ff33659b5cf34

on April 28, 2013
at 10:51 AM

My guess at answering myself... I just bought some "paleo breakfast" books. Hopefully this is the right approach. Or perhaps I should make some sort of search engine: "Search Paleo recipes for people that hate..."

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