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Eliminating processed/engineered foods with paleo

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Created March 07, 2012 at 1:47 AM

I'm starting to worry more and more about the processing of and modifications made to my food. I think most (but not all) of my undesireable food reactions come from the isolation of certain molecules used to enhance flavors or increase profitibility in some way. The natural balance of amino acids or types of sugars, etc... found in real food gets massively skewed. I'm starting to worry less and less about ideal macronutrient ratios (within reason) and whether or not I eat a piece of sweet chocolate...as long as it's organic and made with cane sugar. BTW my most bothersome symptoms are neurological. I just think that if something didn't evolve or hybridize properly it's highly possible it won't make sense to the human metabolism or can affect neurochemistry.

I especially want to avoid GMO foods, so all corn and soy. If I had a cheat, I'm starting to think an organic sandwich would be preferable to a corn syrup or soy product of any kind (as in almost anything processed). I won't eat wheat often though, just a pizza cheat sometimes. I wouldn't mind an all natural chocolate milk shake.

Does anyone else eat with this type of thinking, or do you think it's way off... like sugar is terrible and a gmo-corn-fed cow ain't so bad?

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 08, 2012
at 06:06 AM

I hear ya. I've really lapsed over the last few days and have been feeling more hellish than I have in awhile. Regrouping and recommiting.

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on March 08, 2012
at 05:36 AM

I precook my meat, freeze it and eat it throughout the week

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on March 08, 2012
at 05:34 AM

Potatoes are fine. I just can't eat them every day for some reason.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 07, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Great point too about the poultry and pork. One of my problems is that the more types of food I eat the harder it is to keep a simple plan working.

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on March 07, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Heather, your greenhouse sounds splendid. I wish you much beauty and joy in your endeavors. :)

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 07, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Ha, Eric, thanks for the comments. I feed four people. Those are some great simple rules. Yes, the hagen daaz is what i've used b/c of the additives. It's all the additives that frustrate me. Oh, I love potatoes. I haven't decided one way or another yet on that. My schedule is kind of crazy and I sometimes feel like I have trouble keeping up with the young kids while running around (I am also a student and will start working part-time soon). I'm really wanting to get on top of some kind of system within the next two weeks or so.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 07, 2012
at 07:24 PM

30 days is a good plan too.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:23 PM

Thank you. I'm going to renew my commitment, planning to put up a small greenhouse in a couple of weeks, so hopefully that will help.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:20 PM

Thanks, very motivating!

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 07, 2012
at 02:41 PM

mm, yes. +1 for Kurt Harris' outline. Sugar is still an issue for me more often than I'd like, but cutting out so much other processed crap has so many unforseen benefits.

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on March 07, 2012
at 10:47 AM

I'd rather have a CAFO steak, than an organic pizza.

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on March 07, 2012
at 05:26 AM

I use to eat potatoes a lot but that n=1 did not owrk out well. I do not tolerate them well.

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(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:19 AM

I do make my own ice cream. If I do eat store ice cream it is Hagen Daz. Which is not organic or grass fed however it has no additiives.

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on March 07, 2012
at 05:16 AM

That just leaves meat. Focus on grass feed beef, grass fed lamb, wild salmon, shellfish. Look to minimize poultry and pork. Costco has (hopefully) grass fed leg of lamb 95% sure on that one. Otherwise a freezer and a local farmer can get you set very easily on good meat.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:12 AM

I then evaluate what foods I eat the most and look to upgrade the source. For me I eat 28 eggs a week (4 per day). I spent many hours looking for Pastured Eggs. I found them and won't go back. Vegetables are fairly easy because I only eat spinach, kale, brocolli and cauliflower. Farmers market when available otherwise we have a great COOP PCC to get veggies from and the quality is nice.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on March 07, 2012
at 05:07 AM

Most stores like Whole Foods and the local CO-OPs favor organic food at the cost of all other things. So they will have organic this and organic that but the quality of the food is low and the additives are high.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I also buy only EVOO from the best source I can find. I pour it on foods that have already been cooked. I would also use Coconut oil and (limited amounts of) Mac Nut oil however I am alergic to both. –

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on March 07, 2012
at 05:04 AM

Dairy is a small part of my diet. The one comment sounds weird like it is all I eat. :-)

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on March 07, 2012
at 05:03 AM

I also but only EVOO from the best source I can find. I pour it on foods that have already been cooked. I would also use Coconut oil and (limited amounts of) Mac Nut oil however I am alergic to both.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:01 AM

With the exception of dairy products. However I make sure the dairy products have no fillers. I mostly just eat butter and cream but sometimes cheese. And sometimes sour cream. However I am very careful on the sour cream as it often has gums etc.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:00 AM

With the exception of dairy products. However I make sure the dairy products have no fillers. I mostly just eat butter and cream but sometimes cheese. Abd sometimes sour cream. However I am very careful on the sour cream as it often has gums etc.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 04:59 AM

With the exception of dairy products. However I make sure the dairy products have no fillers. Mostly just butter and cream but sometimes cheese. ANd sometimes sour cream. However I ma very careful on the sourcream.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on March 07, 2012
at 04:57 AM

I started by eating and cooking things that have a single ingredient or are a combination of single ingredients.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

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on March 07, 2012
at 04:55 AM

How many people are you feeding?

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 07, 2012
at 04:32 AM

I would really like to make this work for me. I'm having trouble finding sources for things though and really feel like I need more time in a day.

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on March 07, 2012
at 03:14 AM

For ice Cream, the best solution would be to make your own using an ice cream machine... If not (I mean I want to buy one but it's $100 or so) I just eat ice cream less regularly (mostly with others to limit my consumption of it).

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 07, 2012
at 02:42 AM

And I do like ice cream :), I don't have time to make all this stuff.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

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on March 07, 2012
at 02:41 AM

To what extent do you follow this? I mean, could you give a brief rundown of how you eat? No labels=no store bought? Or do you mean carrots from the store that are not in a package for example...I mean I get what you are saying and agree, just curious about your implementation.

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on March 07, 2012
at 02:27 AM

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 02:01 AM

Eat foods without labels from trusted sources.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:04 AM

Dairy is a small part of my diet. The one comment sounds weird like it is all I eat. :-)

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:07 AM

Most stores like Whole Foods and the local CO-OPs favor organic food at the cost of all other things. So they will have organic this and organic that but the quality of the food is low and the additives are high.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:01 AM

With the exception of dairy products. However I make sure the dairy products have no fillers. I mostly just eat butter and cream but sometimes cheese. And sometimes sour cream. However I am very careful on the sour cream as it often has gums etc.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 04:57 AM

I started by eating and cooking things that have a single ingredient or are a combination of single ingredients.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:19 AM

I do make my own ice cream. If I do eat store ice cream it is Hagen Daz. Which is not organic or grass fed however it has no additiives.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 08, 2012
at 05:36 AM

I precook my meat, freeze it and eat it throughout the week

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:00 AM

With the exception of dairy products. However I make sure the dairy products have no fillers. I mostly just eat butter and cream but sometimes cheese. Abd sometimes sour cream. However I am very careful on the sour cream as it often has gums etc.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 04:55 AM

How many people are you feeding?

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on March 07, 2012
at 02:27 AM

End of story!!!

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:03 AM

I also but only EVOO from the best source I can find. I pour it on foods that have already been cooked. I would also use Coconut oil and (limited amounts of) Mac Nut oil however I am alergic to both.

8d979bd4cf7036400254a9417638616d

(80)

on March 07, 2012
at 03:14 AM

For ice Cream, the best solution would be to make your own using an ice cream machine... If not (I mean I want to buy one but it's $100 or so) I just eat ice cream less regularly (mostly with others to limit my consumption of it).

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 02:41 AM

To what extent do you follow this? I mean, could you give a brief rundown of how you eat? No labels=no store bought? Or do you mean carrots from the store that are not in a package for example...I mean I get what you are saying and agree, just curious about your implementation.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 04:32 AM

I would really like to make this work for me. I'm having trouble finding sources for things though and really feel like I need more time in a day.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:16 AM

That just leaves meat. Focus on grass feed beef, grass fed lamb, wild salmon, shellfish. Look to minimize poultry and pork. Costco has (hopefully) grass fed leg of lamb 95% sure on that one. Otherwise a freezer and a local farmer can get you set very easily on good meat.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 02:42 AM

And I do like ice cream :), I don't have time to make all this stuff.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Ha, Eric, thanks for the comments. I feed four people. Those are some great simple rules. Yes, the hagen daaz is what i've used b/c of the additives. It's all the additives that frustrate me. Oh, I love potatoes. I haven't decided one way or another yet on that. My schedule is kind of crazy and I sometimes feel like I have trouble keeping up with the young kids while running around (I am also a student and will start working part-time soon). I'm really wanting to get on top of some kind of system within the next two weeks or so.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:26 AM

I use to eat potatoes a lot but that n=1 did not owrk out well. I do not tolerate them well.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 04:59 AM

With the exception of dairy products. However I make sure the dairy products have no fillers. Mostly just butter and cream but sometimes cheese. ANd sometimes sour cream. However I ma very careful on the sourcream.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:05 AM

I also buy only EVOO from the best source I can find. I pour it on foods that have already been cooked. I would also use Coconut oil and (limited amounts of) Mac Nut oil however I am alergic to both. –

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 07, 2012
at 05:12 AM

I then evaluate what foods I eat the most and look to upgrade the source. For me I eat 28 eggs a week (4 per day). I spent many hours looking for Pastured Eggs. I found them and won't go back. Vegetables are fairly easy because I only eat spinach, kale, brocolli and cauliflower. Farmers market when available otherwise we have a great COOP PCC to get veggies from and the quality is nice.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Great point too about the poultry and pork. One of my problems is that the more types of food I eat the harder it is to keep a simple plan working.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 08, 2012
at 05:34 AM

Potatoes are fine. I just can't eat them every day for some reason.

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on March 07, 2012
at 06:22 AM

I just went and looked and the only "processed" foods in my house right now (besides butter, heavy cream, coconut oil, and white rice) are:

Lindt 85% dark chocolate
Rice Chex cereal (for my kids when they come over)
Crystal hot sauce

If someone had told me six months ago that my kitchen was going to look like that, I most definitely would have laughed and said "yeah right". I would have laughed even harder if they told me that I'd give up pizza (my old favorite) for good after completely losing my craving for it.

Are you familiar with Kurt Harris' outline? It was my starting point for ancestral eating and really helped me eliminate all of the junk.

For what it's worth, I feel better physically and mentally than I think I ever have as an adult. It could just be from eliminating one food (like wheat, for example) or it could be from ditching all of it. I'm sure it all figures in somewhat, but it doesn't matter either way at this point. What matters is that I have my health back.

I say ditch all of it, including the cheats, for 30 days. See how you feel and go from there. You can do it!

Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on March 07, 2012
at 02:41 PM

mm, yes. +1 for Kurt Harris' outline. Sugar is still an issue for me more often than I'd like, but cutting out so much other processed crap has so many unforseen benefits.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:24 PM

30 days is a good plan too.

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:20 PM

Thanks, very motivating!

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D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

on March 07, 2012
at 05:44 PM

Heather, if one avoids the following, as Dr. Kurt Harris explains at his blog, Archevore, on the Get-Started page:

grains

legumes

high-PUFA foods such as nuts, seeds, and their oils

high-fructose fruit, sugars, corn syrup, etc.

foods which have lots of chemicals and mysterious ingredients, such as things in boxes and plastic containers...

that covers the basics.


The next categories increase the food budget and effort to acquire food most considerably:

Pastured meat, eggs, and dairy, to avoid the GMO grains that the animals eat.

Organic tea and coffee from reliable sources.


Growing perennial herbs, vegetables and fruit reduces the cost. Many can be grown in containers.

Using a good water purifier, such as a Berkey, and making one's meals "from scratch" help, too.

As some have pointed out, grass-fed offal often costs less than CAFO muscle meat. I consider nutrient density as well as cost in planning my food preparations. I want the most nourishment possible per bite and calorie amounts, as well as the most nourishment I can get for the cost.

We each do what we can, as best we can.

I wish you much joy in eating as healthfully as you are able. :)

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on March 07, 2012
at 07:33 PM

Heather, your greenhouse sounds splendid. I wish you much beauty and joy in your endeavors. :)

C8b2136ef95ba6aac211825ff38cc0e9

(971)

on March 07, 2012
at 07:23 PM

Thank you. I'm going to renew my commitment, planning to put up a small greenhouse in a couple of weeks, so hopefully that will help.

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on March 07, 2012
at 05:14 AM

I avoid grains as much as possible, as I have a hard time getting over the "you weren't developed to eat them" block that I've put up. If you know the ingredients are organic from a trusted source, and consuming the occasional grain/dairy doesn't bother you unduly, there isn't anything wrong with it.

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