4

votes

Tried throwing gluten back in the mix for a spell

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 06, 2010 at 5:43 AM

So my elimination diet came to an end a week ago. It was time to see what was up. The only intolerance I was testing for was gluten intolerance though I also cut out beans and don't really care if they ever come back. The dismount wasn't as smooth as I would've liked. First item consumed was a cookie. The cookie of course is not the ideal item for testing sensitivity especially since I consume next to no sugar added. But a co-worker brought it to work and you know how the rest of the story goes. It owned me pretty badly though. Frequent bathroom breaks during the night revealed symptoms of "rushed digestion." Two days later I was at breakfast with my dad and had a piece of freshly made whole wheat bread. My upper back tensed and I had an head ache for most the day along with other expected symptoms. Back six months ago, I used to eat two to three slices of (properly prepared) bread a day. One absolutely destroyed me (it wasn't "properly prepared" according to WAPF standards which could be an interesting additional test that I'm not willing to undergo at the moment). This time I waited four days for one final test. I went out for beer, two beautiful McMenamin's winter ales (it's so tasty I couldn't stop at just one). The next day was an absolute wreck. Two beers threw me into what, if I didn't know the cause was gluten and not alcohol, I would've called an intense hangover. Headache, tensed muscle, an absolutely ruthlessly violent stomach. Four days later, I'm just now over that hell. It made me feel like some people might accidentally avoid wheat for a few days and then end up suffering from a "migraine" or "the twenty four hour flu" upon reintroduction.

It's pretty clear that I'm not supposed to rock the gluten. But it also seems like something else might be going on. Leaky gut? Adrenal Fatigue? Thyroid problems? I'm thinking about going on the GAPs diet for a while to bolster my gut health. I'm fine being without gluten (though sorghum beer is sweet shit that lacks any complex flavor) but part of me is thinking that gluten intolerance is a symptom (maybe a causative symptom) of something else. Regular consumption of gluten and sugars may have torn my gut apart, but now it's time to rebuild the gut injured gut and that's going to take more the avoidance. Anyways, have any of you tried to throw gluten back into the mix? How did you take to it?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 20, 2011
at 06:36 PM

Red Bridge contains genetically modified corn.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 22, 2010
at 01:06 PM

Just because your body appears to being handling gluten digestively does not mean that it is not causing other damage - less visible in the short run perhaps. So if your diet, Paleo or otherwise, "creates a situation" that unveils your gluten intolerance, it is probably a great thing for your overall health.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on December 09, 2010
at 04:28 PM

Awesome, thank you

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on December 09, 2010
at 03:27 PM

I worry about this happening to me also. I started Paleo for fat loss, not because of any issues I had with gluten. I don't want to create a situation where my body can't deal with it at all anymore.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on December 08, 2010
at 01:56 PM

Todd, I believe sorghum is an African grass. I've seen Green's at two specialty supermarkets in my town (Columbus, OH) but not Whole Foods. Of the more common gluten-free beers, I find Bard's Tale to be the best (by far preferable to the Anheuser-Busch offering).

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 08, 2010
at 02:00 AM

maybe you aren't supposed to touch popcorn that isn't gluten free. Or your systems (digestive and otherwise) could still be messed up from the gluten excursions. You could probably try the popcorn again in a few weeks if you want a non-paleo occasional treat.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 08, 2010
at 01:53 AM

eliminating gluten and resolving gut issues can reverse blood sugar issues without necessarily being very low carb in the long term.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 08, 2010
at 01:52 AM

The tests may not be accurate - how long was your elimination diet?

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on December 07, 2010
at 10:57 PM

Is it worth it to reintroduce to test for celiacs or just figure an intolerance is an intolerance?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on December 07, 2010
at 04:44 PM

Sorghum is still a grain, isn't it? I've tried a Sorghum beer from Whole Foods. Doesn't sound like the one you mention here. I might have to look this one up. I do miss a beer every once in a while.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on December 07, 2010
at 06:25 AM

It also looks like I'm not supposed to touch popcorn. I didn't even mean to eat it but my roommate put it in front of me while I was studying. Now I'm downing antihistamine. Not nearly as bad as the gluten though.

5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

(1781)

on December 07, 2010
at 06:19 AM

***"It's pretty clear that I'm not supposed to rock the gluten."*** I think you hit the nail squarely on the head. Why eat the stuff, I guess I can understand curiosity or accident but really, why put yourself through that?

B4aa2df25a6bf17d22556667ff896170

(851)

on December 06, 2010
at 07:10 AM

could be wheat allergy... different in that a wheat allergy is a histimine response. try taking an antihistimine after wheat to see what happens. If it is solely a gluten issue, the antihistimine wont do anything, but if its a wheat allergy it will help.

  • D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

    asked by

    (5242)
  • Views
    4.7K
  • Last Activity
    1279D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

9 Answers

2
06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on December 06, 2010
at 10:47 AM

It certainly sounds like you have celiac disease...an intense intolerance for gluten....that is incurable...but not insurmountable. There is no preparing grains the right way for a celiac to consume gluten. I never understand why people think they have to soak grains just to eat a wheat product. We all know that wheat is a poison for the body...whether celiac or not. All the wheat grown today is a hybridized dwarf mutant. People talk about not wanting genetically modified products in their food. What do you think wheat is? See Dr Davis about dwarf mutant wheat. http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2010/12/put-lipstick-on-dwarf.html

Dr Art Ayers has posted a lot on how to repair the gut and re-populate the gut with good flora.
http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/search?q=celiac Roam around his site and you can find out ways to heal the gut lining in the intestinal track.

Celiacs are also almost universally deficient in Vit D3. Many of us supplement with gel caps 4000IU to 5000IU a day to keep our serum level around 60 to 70 ng/mL. And it is well known that celiac or not, most Americans are Vit D3 deficient.

There also is the possibility that you are also a pre diabetic. Have you checked your blood sugar upon arising? Then check after eating a small sweet potato. Fasting blood sugar normal is 95-100. If it raises to over 120 one hour after eating...then you a probably a diabetic or a full blown diabetic type II.

If either case is accurate, then you need to become a almost zero carb person and you will do quite well....or you will be on medications for the rest of your life. Many of us eat 75% fat & 25% protein with a green salad with olive oil and vinegar and with a few steamed veggies thrown in...slathered in delicious butter...so that we minimize a spike in our blood sugar.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 08, 2010
at 01:53 AM

eliminating gluten and resolving gut issues can reverse blood sugar issues without necessarily being very low carb in the long term.

1
154bf5c84f7bd9f52b361b45d05dbc3a

(1215)

on December 09, 2010
at 03:00 PM

I've never had any stomach or gut problems (not counting the hidden damage that might have been done over the years).

But I've had two recent experiments with cakes and breads that left me writhing on the floor with stomach pain.

And I'm not the kind of person to EVER get stomach pains, head-aches etc. This was completely new to me.

So I guess over the years I built up a tolerance for gluten and that is well and truly over now.

It's funny actually because the only reason I got into paleo was to improve my energy levels. Which has worked.

But in addition I seem to have created, what an outsider would see as all kinds of allergies and in tolerances that I didn't have before.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on December 09, 2010
at 03:27 PM

I worry about this happening to me also. I started Paleo for fat loss, not because of any issues I had with gluten. I don't want to create a situation where my body can't deal with it at all anymore.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 22, 2010
at 01:06 PM

Just because your body appears to being handling gluten digestively does not mean that it is not causing other damage - less visible in the short run perhaps. So if your diet, Paleo or otherwise, "creates a situation" that unveils your gluten intolerance, it is probably a great thing for your overall health.

1
531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

on December 07, 2010
at 03:48 PM

I am celiac and your response to wheat is typical, in my experience. When you get it out of your system and then get re-exposed, you have more of an acute reaction. Typically there are skin issues in addition to the indigestion.

On a slightly related note, Green's Discovery Ale and some of the other Green's products prove that good beer can be made from Sorghum.

I want to conclude by mentioning that many, if not most, celiacs have more than one food insensitivity. For me, it's gluten and soy. Many others have pork, dairy, egg, or other allergies.

Bottom line, for me, is that you would be well-advised to stay clear of all wheat and be very selective of any grains, doing "mini-eliminations" with them. Same for any of the other major allergens.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on December 07, 2010
at 10:57 PM

Is it worth it to reintroduce to test for celiacs or just figure an intolerance is an intolerance?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on December 07, 2010
at 04:44 PM

Sorghum is still a grain, isn't it? I've tried a Sorghum beer from Whole Foods. Doesn't sound like the one you mention here. I might have to look this one up. I do miss a beer every once in a while.

531db50c958cf4d5605ee0c5ae8a57be

(8878)

on December 08, 2010
at 01:56 PM

Todd, I believe sorghum is an African grass. I've seen Green's at two specialty supermarkets in my town (Columbus, OH) but not Whole Foods. Of the more common gluten-free beers, I find Bard's Tale to be the best (by far preferable to the Anheuser-Busch offering).

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on December 08, 2010
at 01:52 AM

The tests may not be accurate - how long was your elimination diet?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on December 09, 2010
at 04:28 PM

Awesome, thank you

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 20, 2011
at 06:36 PM

Red Bridge contains genetically modified corn.

1
47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on December 07, 2010
at 06:34 AM

Hi, Andrew, one more data point for you, as they say. After eating paleo for a year I did a 30-day trial of no gluten whatsoever. When I went back to what I was before -- essentially just bites from occasional cookies made by my girlfriend or a couple bites of bread with a burger if forced to eat out -- I noticed no ill effects. Many things are possible. It could be that I did some tremendous gut healing in those 12 months, plus the month of gluten-free, such that small amounts of gluten no longer bother me. It also could just be that I never had any problems with gluten. Or it could be that I had problems with large amounts but small amounts are fine. I incline towards this last explanation. I would test the hypothesis by eating larger amounts of gluten, but to do this I'd pretty much have to eat a lot more carbohydrate, excessive amounts of which make me feel worse than anything else. So I figure why bother, I'll just keep the gluten to a minimum. Can't hurt, right?

1
62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on December 07, 2010
at 04:35 AM

I don't feel any symptoms from occasional gluten consumption. Sugar on the other hand gives me a sugar rush and quickly ignites more sugar cravings. THe cravings are irritating so I am more cautious with sugar avoidance.

1
7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on December 06, 2010
at 01:34 PM

When I throw gluten back into my diet, I feel light-headed pretty quickly after consuming it, like a sugar rush. The days after it, I have definite carb bloat, but no gut issues. I prefer the Paleo diet, but I don't think I am even close to celiac or gluten intolerant.

1
Cfccbcf3450ac4919311ded8ef162d49

(2312)

on December 06, 2010
at 05:52 AM

I will eat gluten containing foods every now and then and it doesn't affect me too much. My family has always kidded that I have a "filipino stomach" I can eat anything and not feel any ill effects. lol My husband on the other hand gets his stomach tied in knots if he eats any thing with gluten in it. Last time he had a beer, he felt sick for almost a week. Last time he accidentally ate some leftover potatoes that were coated with flour, his stomach was upset all day at work. Avoiding gluten definitely has made a difference in his gut health. He doesn't complain of heartburn, acid indigestion or bloating like he used to.

0
487e24ac9ea0adecba0f790a22a0a49e

on December 09, 2010
at 02:14 AM

When I re-introduced gluten into my diet for an ill-advised gluten challenge -- I had bloating, constipation, abdominal pain, night sweats and insomnia within 3 days. I was supposed to eat gluten for 3-6 months. I stopped after just a few weeks. The blood tests were weakly positive for celiac and the biopsy was negative. I will never knowingly eat gluten again!

0
50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on December 07, 2010
at 04:42 PM

I did the same thing while on vacation in Hawaii. Gave into the pressure of the family to "live a little, you're on vacation". Definitely "lived" in the bathroom the next 36 hours after consuming some ice cream, a couple of Stone IPA's, and a large piece of cake. I was thoroughly congested all night, couldn't sleep more than an hour straight, and had some serious trots.

It was absolutely wretched.

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!