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I Think You Can Heal IBS And Food Intolerance Inflammation In 1 Week. Am I wrong?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 27, 2011 at 3:35 PM

I see a lot of posts here where people fought against IBS and inflammation disorders like gluten intolerance for up to six months before achieving remission.

I want to know whether these time frames are due to the experimental learning curve or actually a necessary part of the process.

It seems to me there are two major classes of sufferers - those who can tolerate carbs and those who can't. The carb gold standard for me is white rice. Failing that, I suppose dextrose is the last resort, although sometimes white potatoes or something exotic like arrowroot can be substituted.

So my theory is that most people take so long to recover because they start out eating lots of irritants, perhaps a slew of new ones, which they then must adapt to.

For example, they may start eating more vegetables, nuts, animal fat, fruit, etc. All of these can exacerbate a problem.

I inherited IBS and many food intolerances from a parent, and worsened it with a course of Accutane in college, during which time I wasn't getting much sunlight. I eventually cured myself through extensive self experimentation, with the last piece inspired by the Aquatic Ape theory. The parent and sibling were easily cured by my advice, but my case was much tougher, probably due to the Accutane.

I've had many cycles of remission and relapse, but it was always driven by user error, not by my gut's inherent need to heal. Every time I thought, "Oh, the process just takes a while," actually it was something wrong I was eating. So this idea really slowed down my cure by years.

I've since found a very reliable pattern:

If I eat something purely irritating in the IBS sense, e.g. liquidized fat, I can expect a 2-3 day cycle. Improvement will show in 24 hours once I stop eating the irritant. Major improvement shows if I switch to heavy scallops.

If I eat something that activates the auto-immune response, e.g. gluten, I can expect a week-long episode with a double-dip at around day 2-3 and day 5-6. I will still get improvement within 24 hours of stopping the irritant and going heavy scallops or fresh fish, but the double dip may confuse the data.

This doesn't really fit with the idea that the gut needs a long time to heal after it's been irritated.

FYI my diet is (hypoallergenic) white rice, fish, scallops, beef, and pork. All meat is eaten without visible fat, and no ground meat allowed. No spices, seasonings, oils, teas, drugs, supplements, nothing else but water.

I think these long healing times may be because people remove the WORST anti-nutrients, but keep eating a number of lesser anti-nutrients, so that the damage slowly heals but symptoms don't immediately cease. By contrast, the above diet should remove almost every anti-nutrient unless you have an allergy to one of the meats or the rice.

It's impossible to positively prove my theory that long healing times aren't necessary. However it could be disproved by someone trying the above (theoretically optimal) diet, with or without rice depending on their carb tolerance, and still requiring months before finally healing.

So has anyone out there tried something like this and still taken months to heal? Thanks.

08c29f85bce6cc9c9acaab8fda8245f1

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on May 18, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Hi I'am an IBS sufferer , and I ve got much more pain and air on the gut once that I'am asleep...maybe the position could be the problem? why do you say that nerval problems could be the cause?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 31, 2011
at 11:07 PM

arrowroot is a paleo-available wetlands starch, check out aquatic ape stuff. wild rice was available too. probably you'll buy arrowroot flour.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on August 30, 2011
at 10:06 PM

ok, but gonna have to put it on hold, packing the house next week and then living in a hotel probably for over a month....gonna be hard enough as it is...but I'll see if its possible to do now, if not, definitely later....I'll be in touch. Why arrowroot? never heard of it, not sure can find in south america, but maybe when traveling can pick up...then what? teach me!! :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2011
at 03:43 AM

malabsorption like what? this works for fructose malabsorption

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2011
at 03:37 AM

there are a few very important differences. 1. rice makes it much nicer. comfort food 2. it's unsustainable for me without scallops several times per week. 3. extremely low fat, not medium or high fat. so no, most standard paleo advice is an IBS disaster.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2011
at 03:32 AM

if you cheat effects may last a week.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 30, 2011
at 03:31 AM

yes that's exactly it. no spices or anything. trim fat off pork and don't get greasy fish cuts. go for scallops if you get cravings. other than that drink only water. longer term, try to find a carb that works. maybe arrowroot or dextrose or something. let me know if it doesn't work... then i'll know i'm wrong.

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on August 29, 2011
at 01:24 AM

No problem :-) ..

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on August 28, 2011
at 07:03 PM

Google GAPs diet and it will give you the basics of the diet. It's Very gut health oriented.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on August 28, 2011
at 12:49 PM

i should rephrase that, so you suggest eating scallops and fish and pork for one week..anything else? I'm game to try anything really! details will help so if you can provide a few more I'll give it a go....and we can test it

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on August 28, 2011
at 12:19 PM

my cheats are pretty minor, and yes have gone w/o for long periods of time so its not necessarily the issue. I could try that....but doesnt sound like the best diet either....

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on August 28, 2011
at 02:18 AM

Couldn't most of our "carnivore" or VLC paleo answer this pretty easily, as it seems to be the very same diet....minus the white rice of course, but I would only think that makes it better.

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

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on August 27, 2011
at 11:01 PM

You have opened up an avenue of internet research for me that I didn't even know existed! I had no idea it was so anti-inflammatory. Thanks for the info, Geoff! :)

69a2a5deb24d5b8d3aae3d9652fac564

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:44 PM

Gotcha, but not all disease processes are as obvious as a hole in the intestinal wall. For example, less obvious would be instances where the patient would be immunosuppressed, diabetic (especially the undiagnosed), have malabsorption issues, etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:31 PM

I only really care about symptom remission at this stage. Anything more is just luxury I'm too busy to investigate.

5ce36633c4c872b4eb5e45214f512f3d

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:30 PM

yeah i'm on board with grenadine, if the gut lining was healed why would you have such drastic food intolerance? perhaps taking out the irritants puts you in remission, but the fact remains that the integrity of your gut lining still isn't great. this is how i feel about my Crohn's

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:28 PM

My gut isn't necessarily in its original genetic condition, because it got blasted with Accutane. I don't seem to develop a tolerance for additional food variety after a period of zero symptoms.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:25 PM

obviously there are problems like having a hole in your intestinal wall that would mean nothing works. I'm just suspicious of the long healing times for the standard IBS and intolerance inflammation condition people.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:23 PM

have you tried 1. quit cheating and 2. cut down to just low fat scallops, fish and pork for 1 week? If symptoms didn't go into remission then that would invalidate my hypothesis.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:23 PM

Yes, it's not a cure of food intolerance if you still have to avoid the food. Did you factor in bacteria at all? They seem like a possible root cause in these things.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

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on August 27, 2011
at 10:20 PM

Agreed, this doesn't seem like a complete cure. Maybe because you didn't factor in one possible root cause, bacteria.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on August 27, 2011
at 05:16 PM

i'm not sure if such a restricted diet qualifies as "cured". sounds more like "maintenance". surely a healthy gut can tolerate more variety. that being said, good on ya. it's always good to hear about success.

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on August 27, 2011
at 05:11 PM

What is GAP protocol?

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on August 27, 2011
at 04:02 PM

check out the top answer to this question I asked the other day - http://paleohacks.com/questions/59729/has-anyone-done-a-bone-broth-fast#axzz1WFHvxlMx a guy fixed his IBS with a 3 day bone broth fast. Bone broth rocks!

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B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

(2437)

on August 27, 2011
at 05:26 PM

If you also drink aloe vera juice that will help to quickly heal your gut lining. It also helps when you have an upset stomach. Trader Joes sells large gallon or so jugs that are sugar free for about $7.99

Here is a link

http://www.naturalnews.com/003525.html

B22e5946e28a1845a6006737e59edfc6

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on August 29, 2011
at 01:24 AM

No problem :-) ..

74f5d2ff6567edd456d31dfb9b92af61

(5227)

on August 27, 2011
at 11:01 PM

You have opened up an avenue of internet research for me that I didn't even know existed! I had no idea it was so anti-inflammatory. Thanks for the info, Geoff! :)

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22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on August 27, 2011
at 04:01 PM

I battled with IBS for 7 years and healed it within a week using a GAPs protocol and then remaining paleo.

59c52a4578162898664d334adebe68a7

(15)

on August 27, 2011
at 05:11 PM

What is GAP protocol?

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on August 28, 2011
at 07:03 PM

Google GAPs diet and it will give you the basics of the diet. It's Very gut health oriented.

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on August 27, 2011
at 03:56 PM

I think it really depends on the person, what condition they are in and what measures they actually take to promote healing.

I am 8 months paleo/primal and I am still trying to heal and I've been 90%+ committed. (my 10% per week is 1 glass white wine and maybe some dark chocolate but that is it)

I have had 8 years of constant issues and progressively getting worse. Healing has begun but I'm far from the best possible results.

I personally don't want to fiddle around with it, I just want to do what I need to do to heal and get better, I don't dare even think of eating any gluten, sugar as I have enough with minor 'hidden' exposures and/or cross contaminations.

My diet is similar to yours EXCEPT no rice or beef (allergic), so I don't really believe that this can be done in a short period of time for ME because of the condition I was in when I started.

EDIT: I should note I had severe inflammation for a long period, and probably never ever got rid of most of it, had new food allergies popping up every 6 months as well. LDN helped to get me back to some kind of normal position. Result was leaky gut, IBS and colitis...all the typical labels they love to put on it. I am fighting to reduce all this to keep from developing more crohns like symptoms (family history). Have been implimenting GAPS protocols to recover from major flare ups (max 2 wks at a time). Planning to do 30+ days soon if needed to get on track faster.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on August 28, 2011
at 12:49 PM

i should rephrase that, so you suggest eating scallops and fish and pork for one week..anything else? I'm game to try anything really! details will help so if you can provide a few more I'll give it a go....and we can test it

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 27, 2011
at 10:23 PM

have you tried 1. quit cheating and 2. cut down to just low fat scallops, fish and pork for 1 week? If symptoms didn't go into remission then that would invalidate my hypothesis.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on August 28, 2011
at 12:19 PM

my cheats are pretty minor, and yes have gone w/o for long periods of time so its not necessarily the issue. I could try that....but doesnt sound like the best diet either....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 30, 2011
at 03:32 AM

if you cheat effects may last a week.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 30, 2011
at 03:31 AM

yes that's exactly it. no spices or anything. trim fat off pork and don't get greasy fish cuts. go for scallops if you get cravings. other than that drink only water. longer term, try to find a carb that works. maybe arrowroot or dextrose or something. let me know if it doesn't work... then i'll know i'm wrong.

345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

(8767)

on August 30, 2011
at 10:06 PM

ok, but gonna have to put it on hold, packing the house next week and then living in a hotel probably for over a month....gonna be hard enough as it is...but I'll see if its possible to do now, if not, definitely later....I'll be in touch. Why arrowroot? never heard of it, not sure can find in south america, but maybe when traveling can pick up...then what? teach me!! :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 31, 2011
at 11:07 PM

arrowroot is a paleo-available wetlands starch, check out aquatic ape stuff. wild rice was available too. probably you'll buy arrowroot flour.

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59c52a4578162898664d334adebe68a7

on August 27, 2011
at 05:19 PM

I would like to add that IBS might not always be completely food related, there might be nerve innervation problems due to tensions in spine etc. Also, the sitting position in toilet is not physiological, i was constapated once, but then i tried to do it in a squating position and it fixed the problem.

08c29f85bce6cc9c9acaab8fda8245f1

(13)

on May 18, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Hi I'am an IBS sufferer , and I ve got much more pain and air on the gut once that I'am asleep...maybe the position could be the problem? why do you say that nerval problems could be the cause?

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69a2a5deb24d5b8d3aae3d9652fac564

(1020)

on August 27, 2011
at 04:37 PM

I see what you're saying, and agree with a lot of it.

Only thing I'd add is that I'd caution against throwing around the claim that you can cure IBS in in a week. All time frames are relative to the person's current health status, derangement, etc. They may have co-morbidities that slowdown healing times. For example, diabetics (either type), the immunocompromised (cancer, AIDS), or injured (stroke, substantial orthopedic episode) would all have other issues that would compete with gut healing times.

Perhaps a caveat would be appropriate in those cases. But interesting post!

69a2a5deb24d5b8d3aae3d9652fac564

(1020)

on August 27, 2011
at 10:44 PM

Gotcha, but not all disease processes are as obvious as a hole in the intestinal wall. For example, less obvious would be instances where the patient would be immunosuppressed, diabetic (especially the undiagnosed), have malabsorption issues, etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 27, 2011
at 10:25 PM

obviously there are problems like having a hole in your intestinal wall that would mean nothing works. I'm just suspicious of the long healing times for the standard IBS and intolerance inflammation condition people.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 30, 2011
at 03:43 AM

malabsorption like what? this works for fructose malabsorption

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