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Hack my unintentional gluten exposure?

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Created May 14, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Last night we went out for mother's day at a Pan Asian restaurant and after looking at the menu before arriving I knew I would select the sushi. I do fine with rice and figured it would be the best option and also the tastiest! I even brought my own Tamari because I found that most places don't offer wheat free soy sauce. I chose the Sushi Love option which was a selection of a special roll and a regular roll with 4 pieces of chef???s choice of sushi. For the special roll I chose their Fantasy Roll which was described as Spicy tuna inside with a whole eel filet on top and the salmon roll for the regular roll.

When the delicious looking sushi arrived I immediately dug in not thinking that there would be any gluten involved since I requested no "sauce" on top of the special roll and none of the descriptions included anything that resembled gluten. After about the third piece of the Fantasy roll I noticed a crunchiness. As I examined the roll I immediately realized there was some fried tempura batter sprinkled inside the roll, just a small enough amount that unless you really examined it you would have no idea. So I asked the waiter about it and low and behold he told me they added it to the roll for texture. WTF...I know we Americans have to Americanize everything, especially our sushi, but do we have to add fried gluten to EVERYTHING to make it taste good!!!! After I explained to the waiter that they really should add that to the description on the menu, I realized the suffering I would go through over the next 2-14 days, depending on how my body reacts. I don't have celiac, but I am pretty sensitive to gluten. Last night I took some extra magnesium, ALA, and other anti inflammatory supplements and drank some homemade chicken broth this morning.

My question is, since I had immediately (within 5 minutes) realized that I had ingested gluten is there something I could have done? I know this may sound extreme, but considering my typical reaction, could I have tried to quieting gone to the restroom and attempt to regurgitate the devil out of my system!?!? Again...I know this is extreme and I am not trying to justify bulimic behavior, as I don't even know if I could get myself to do this, but I am just curious if the short term uncomfortableness and stress on the esophagus would alleviate the potential 2 weeks of digestive distress. Or are you pretty much screwed once it touches the saliva glands?

Additionally, what is your protocol (supplements, food, training, fasting, etc) do you use for gluten exposure, unintentional or otherwise?

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 15, 2012
at 07:04 PM

Let me know how to heal my "unhealthy gut" and the debate might be worth having

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 15, 2012
at 07:03 PM

Alls I know is Gluten is bad for me and it is NOT a psychosomatic response. Don't care to debate it past that. I've read both sides of the issue, and whether its a symptom or a cause I don't want to eat it, and that's the crux of the issue. Why bring up the evolutionary side of it when no one else is talking about it?

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2063)

on May 15, 2012
at 04:21 PM

Who cares if gluten sensitivity is "secondary" to something else? For people who are gluten intolerant, exposure can be horrific, regardless of whether you consider it to be a "real disease" or just a secondary symptom of an unhealthy gut.

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2063)

on May 15, 2012
at 04:16 PM

I try to avoid things like "spicy tuna" at sushi restaurants. You never know what they mix in. These days I order just plain salmon and avocado rolls, or even just sashimi. I miss spicy tuna and stuff like that but gluten exposure is not worth it.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Tongue firmly implanted in cheek, Matt c:

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:03 AM

Pfft, omega-6 fats… You're probably consuming more oemga-3s in sushi than you're getting omega-6s in the greasy batter.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 15, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Given that most folks are gluten tolerant, the paleo idea that humans are largely cannot digest gluten because our ancestors did not evolve eating grains falls flat. Instead it suggests that gluten-intolerance secondary to something else.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:00 AM

That's actually my favorite addage, Kyle. Gluten, from a plant evolution POV, isn't a defense mechanism, it's there for storage. It makes no sense that it would be problematic if consumed, unlike glycoalkaloids and saponins. That suggests to me that gluten intolerance is actually a symptom of a deranged digestive and immune system. Particularly when you consider that the overwhelming majority of folks are gluten tolerant.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 14, 2012
at 10:33 PM

It seems the two of you are right on both counts. I worked in a Japanese restaurant years ago that used rice flour, and I just assumed it was traditional :/

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on May 14, 2012
at 10:13 PM

I've had several sushi places tell me their tempura is made with wheat flour.

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on May 14, 2012
at 09:56 PM

Traditional tempura is made with wheat flour, as it was a Portuguese style before it was Japanese.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 14, 2012
at 09:27 PM

"Poisons in the dose"

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:51 PM

But what about the dozens of times you were unknowingly dosed with gluten and didn't react? ;)

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

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on May 14, 2012
at 08:32 PM

I've never been diagnosed with celiac and two times have come across gluten since being paleo, both times i had no idea it had gluten in it until i went back and researched, both times I had terrible reactions. No negative reactions outside of psychosomatic?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:12 PM

I'm certainly not so much in favor of the dogmatic paleo position on gluten. I'm more of the opinion that gluten sensitivity is a symptom rather than a disease. Healthy guts are not gluten sensitive.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:05 PM

"you're likely not going to experience any negative reactions outside of some psychosomatic response." Your smug attitude here is really shocking. Celiac disease is only one _symptom_ of gluten enteropathy, which is one of the reasons that so few people actually get taken seriously by the medical establishent when they present with symptoms. While I agree that the mathematical "majority" of people have not been diagnosed with (or made the connection to) gluten sensitivity, to diminish those who do is extremely uninformed.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on May 14, 2012
at 08:02 PM

Um....I may not have celiac (meaning positive test for a gluten allergy) but when exposed I have all sorts of debilitating digestive issues. Gluten IS poison to me and not because paleo told me so but because I spend the majority of the next week in the bathroom. And I will be happy to drink any koolaid that relieves these symptoms so if you have some your serving let me know!!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:01 PM

I do question a lot of folk's responses to various things. I, too, for some time, was convinced I had a perceptible reaction to gluten. I've since called bullshit on myself and, lo and behold, the reaction went away. Maybe I've "cured" my gluten sensitivity through a healthier gut, I don't know. But I'm betting more on psychosomatic effects.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:58 PM

@Amy, I see that now. I saw the bit about purging and was a little disturbed by that. And yes, Kelly, I have no gluten sensitivity, like the majority of folks.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:54 PM

My advice to you, though, is to make Very Clear to the staff that you need gluten-free. The menus often are not comprehensive and there is soy sauce in many of the ingredients. Eel, tobiko, seaweed salad (sometimes), mushrooms, sauces/glazes. Unless I know I can trust the restaurant, I generally stick to plain sashimi and nigiri. Few surprises that way.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

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on May 14, 2012
at 07:51 PM

I had the exact same thing happen to me, even after making a big deal to the watier that I needed all gluten-free food and having a discussion about tobiko containing gluten. He comes out with it and says "I talked to the chef, no gluten, I made sure." I bite, and _crunch_. I maintained my composure but gave them the riot act and never went back. I'm sorry I have no good answer to your question besides, take it easy for the next few days, but I sympathize.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

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on May 14, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Neither one of you obviously has any sort of gluten senstivity.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on May 14, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I mostly agree, but the poster *does* specify: "I don't have celiac, but I am pretty sensitive to gluten." I agree that gluten isn't poison to *everyone,* but some people do react much more severely than others. That being said, since the poster *doesn't* have full-on celiac, I think the degree of the emotional reaction seems just a little bit out of proportion. (But again, this depends on just how highly sensitive he is.)

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

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on May 14, 2012
at 07:39 PM

I realized tempura is authentic Japanese, but they usually describe it as such, not just add it to every roll for texture.

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4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:29 PM

If you're sensitive enough to gluten to get a reaction from a small amount in sushi, then vomiting it back up probably won't help. You'll most likely have plenty left inside to do you harm. I also assume that vomiting is a major stressor that will jack your stress hormones for a while. Not good.

Is fried batter an American addition to sushi? I always thought tempura was authentic Japanese.

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:39 PM

I realized tempura is authentic Japanese, but they usually describe it as such, not just add it to every roll for texture.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:41 PM

You actually thought about purging? Really? Put down the koolaid! Gluten is NOT poison, it is a plant storage protein.

You don't mention if you're truly celiac or just gluten-sensitive because paleo tells you so. I can see getting worked up if you're really celiac. You're likely not celiac, so you're just in that gray area of gluten-sensitivity. If that's the case, you're likely not going to experience any negative reactions outside of some psychosomatic response.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Given that most folks are gluten tolerant, the paleo idea that humans are largely cannot digest gluten because our ancestors did not evolve eating grains falls flat. Instead it suggests that gluten-intolerance secondary to something else.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Neither one of you obviously has any sort of gluten senstivity.

E68bdbd83e45fd5be130e393ace9c9a9

(2063)

on May 15, 2012
at 04:21 PM

Who cares if gluten sensitivity is "secondary" to something else? For people who are gluten intolerant, exposure can be horrific, regardless of whether you consider it to be a "real disease" or just a secondary symptom of an unhealthy gut.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:12 PM

I'm certainly not so much in favor of the dogmatic paleo position on gluten. I'm more of the opinion that gluten sensitivity is a symptom rather than a disease. Healthy guts are not gluten sensitive.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I mostly agree, but the poster *does* specify: "I don't have celiac, but I am pretty sensitive to gluten." I agree that gluten isn't poison to *everyone,* but some people do react much more severely than others. That being said, since the poster *doesn't* have full-on celiac, I think the degree of the emotional reaction seems just a little bit out of proportion. (But again, this depends on just how highly sensitive he is.)

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 14, 2012
at 09:27 PM

"Poisons in the dose"

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:51 PM

But what about the dozens of times you were unknowingly dosed with gluten and didn't react? ;)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:00 AM

That's actually my favorite addage, Kyle. Gluten, from a plant evolution POV, isn't a defense mechanism, it's there for storage. It makes no sense that it would be problematic if consumed, unlike glycoalkaloids and saponins. That suggests to me that gluten intolerance is actually a symptom of a deranged digestive and immune system. Particularly when you consider that the overwhelming majority of folks are gluten tolerant.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:32 PM

I've never been diagnosed with celiac and two times have come across gluten since being paleo, both times i had no idea it had gluten in it until i went back and researched, both times I had terrible reactions. No negative reactions outside of psychosomatic?

22212e9ba2a041e6da6c963d4d41615a

(5773)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:02 PM

Um....I may not have celiac (meaning positive test for a gluten allergy) but when exposed I have all sorts of debilitating digestive issues. Gluten IS poison to me and not because paleo told me so but because I spend the majority of the next week in the bathroom. And I will be happy to drink any koolaid that relieves these symptoms so if you have some your serving let me know!!

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 15, 2012
at 07:04 PM

Let me know how to heal my "unhealthy gut" and the debate might be worth having

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 07:58 PM

@Amy, I see that now. I saw the bit about purging and was a little disturbed by that. And yes, Kelly, I have no gluten sensitivity, like the majority of folks.

F0e558010a2ecb31fa37b7c491596b8e

(3850)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:05 PM

"you're likely not going to experience any negative reactions outside of some psychosomatic response." Your smug attitude here is really shocking. Celiac disease is only one _symptom_ of gluten enteropathy, which is one of the reasons that so few people actually get taken seriously by the medical establishent when they present with symptoms. While I agree that the mathematical "majority" of people have not been diagnosed with (or made the connection to) gluten sensitivity, to diminish those who do is extremely uninformed.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 14, 2012
at 08:01 PM

I do question a lot of folk's responses to various things. I, too, for some time, was convinced I had a perceptible reaction to gluten. I've since called bullshit on myself and, lo and behold, the reaction went away. Maybe I've "cured" my gluten sensitivity through a healthier gut, I don't know. But I'm betting more on psychosomatic effects.

F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on May 15, 2012
at 07:03 PM

Alls I know is Gluten is bad for me and it is NOT a psychosomatic response. Don't care to debate it past that. I've read both sides of the issue, and whether its a symptom or a cause I don't want to eat it, and that's the crux of the issue. Why bring up the evolutionary side of it when no one else is talking about it?

0
8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

on May 14, 2012
at 09:41 PM

Tempura is rice flour. Rice has no gluten. Tempura is not Americanized, it is traditional.

Quit worrying so much, you'll raise your cortisol levels c:

Side note: the danger of tempura flakes is the omega 6-rich oils in which it is fried.

EDIT: Looks like I'm wrong about tempura: it's poison after all! At least the preparation seems to attempt not to activate the gluten. I wonder: does this change the body's reaction to gliaden in any way?

0d0842381492a41b2173a04014aae810

(4875)

on May 14, 2012
at 10:13 PM

I've had several sushi places tell me their tempura is made with wheat flour.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 14, 2012
at 10:33 PM

It seems the two of you are right on both counts. I worked in a Japanese restaurant years ago that used rice flour, and I just assumed it was traditional :/

C56baa1b4f39839c018180bf63226f7d

(3499)

on May 14, 2012
at 09:56 PM

Traditional tempura is made with wheat flour, as it was a Portuguese style before it was Japanese.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:03 AM

Pfft, omega-6 fats… You're probably consuming more oemga-3s in sushi than you're getting omega-6s in the greasy batter.

8496289baf18c2d3e210740614dc9082

(1867)

on May 15, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Tongue firmly implanted in cheek, Matt c:

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