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Does gluten avoidance increase gluten sensitivity?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 05, 2010 at 2:00 AM

Let???s say I manage to avoid all gluten for an extended period of time (weeks, months, whatever); if I succumb to a cupcake, will I feel sicker than someone who regularly indulges? Or do I perhaps bounce back more quickly from the indulgence than the average SAD eater?

Do regular doses of grains have a homeopathic effect? This question is separate from ???should I eat grains???? I know I shouldn???t.

33f5e6af6eb437dc2dcc64d7afd7f536

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on May 05, 2011
at 09:41 PM

I cheated and had cake yesterday for my Birthday; I feel awful today, same symptoms, it's all "coming out". :/

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2011
at 10:40 PM

With gluten, it's simple. Human beings were never have supposed to domesticate and consume it. There's plenty of evidence especially known in the gluten free community that gluten is bad for everyone. No one is exempt. We diagnose people based on "obvious symptoms". The problem is Celiac is one of MANY symptoms that are caused by gluten sensitivity. Tracking down who "has gluten sensitivity" is hard because tests can work for some people and not others. It's best to just avoid it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2011
at 10:37 PM

Same here, initially I feel "high" and relaxed/giddy. Then as it wears off my mind is filled with anxiety, craving for SAD food or carbs, brain fog, digestive distress ect.

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on September 18, 2010
at 04:04 PM

One question is whether this is due to allergy, or whether it's simply an inability to digest due to different gut flora?

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on May 09, 2010
at 03:12 PM

If there's a specific condition you are interested in, you could try checking over at celiac.com. In general, neurological type conditions improve but slowly compared to digestive. Joint issues often improve very quickly and mood issues are somewhere in the middle. But there's also a lot of variation by individual and age.

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on May 05, 2010
at 05:22 PM

My "long layoff" from dairy was exactly two days. Unbelievable how sick I got from just a little shot of cream in my coffee!

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on May 05, 2010
at 02:33 AM

I'm not trying to find out how much I can get away with but rather what price I'll be paying for a cheat.

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on May 05, 2010
at 05:12 AM

From what I know, your liver develops special enzymes to deal with chemicals in gluten, dairy, candy, cigarettes, or any toxin in the environment. With constant exposure, these enzymes do their job to lessen the effect of toxification on your system, which partly manifests in less extreme allergy symptoms. If you give one of these up for a long period of time, the special enzymes are no longer required. Then, when you relapse, the effects will feel stronger because the enzymes aren't present to break down the toxin. This is mainly from the work of Theron Randolph.

It explains a lot, such as why cigarette smokers who quit and then relapse describe the first cigarette of the relapse to taste disgusting. I've heard the same with people who go back to dairy after a long layoff. The extent of the effect probably has to due with your overall gluten or dairy intolerance. I'm going on a full month completely gluten and processed sugar free, so I'll let you know how I feel if I relapse :)

145d4b0f988af15acc6b26eccc1f4895

(1932)

on May 05, 2010
at 05:22 PM

My "long layoff" from dairy was exactly two days. Unbelievable how sick I got from just a little shot of cream in my coffee!

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13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on May 05, 2010
at 02:53 AM

If you notice feeling a lot better in the first week without gluten, chances are higher that you will really notice when you eat it again.

That said, some people do not react at all, and some only react after about 3 days. Some people react the same way every time and others notice that the symptoms change. Reactions are not always digestive. Rashes, mood swings, etc.

Eating gluten along with alcohol at the same meal will probably make it worse.

The trend line seems to be that the longer you are "eating clean", the more sensitive you become, particularly if you are sensitive to start with. So a "cheat" this holiday season may not be a huge problem, but by 2011, it could be a whole new ball game. On the other hand, the bounce back time is shorter too, generally.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 05, 2010
at 07:57 PM

Typically when I do gluten I find I feel good at first, but 12 hours later things start getting unpleasant. At that point my stomach typically feels like total crap. It's definitely more noticeable because before paleo I thought that was normal...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 17, 2011
at 10:37 PM

Same here, initially I feel "high" and relaxed/giddy. Then as it wears off my mind is filled with anxiety, craving for SAD food or carbs, brain fog, digestive distress ect.

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95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on August 18, 2010
at 12:47 PM

Something I heard from celiac folks a while back that seems to have been borne out by my experience over the last year and a half of eating GF: After 2 weeks off gluten it may take a whole piece of toast to set off a "glutening" reaction, after 2 months a few bites, after a year even a crumb will cause trouble.

I don't know how or whether that principle would apply to non-celiacs, but I have heard similar things about dairy... I have heard knowledgeable people say that avoiding dairy altogether for an extended time can result in something that looks very much like lactose intolerance when dairy is reintroduced.

F6c1df7d5699661bd1f0d6d0a6c17fc6

on September 18, 2010
at 04:04 PM

One question is whether this is due to allergy, or whether it's simply an inability to digest due to different gut flora?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 17, 2011
at 10:40 PM

With gluten, it's simple. Human beings were never have supposed to domesticate and consume it. There's plenty of evidence especially known in the gluten free community that gluten is bad for everyone. No one is exempt. We diagnose people based on "obvious symptoms". The problem is Celiac is one of MANY symptoms that are caused by gluten sensitivity. Tracking down who "has gluten sensitivity" is hard because tests can work for some people and not others. It's best to just avoid it.

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89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

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on May 05, 2010
at 07:03 AM

I don't know if this counts, but in my experience the sensitivity increased, both for grains and milk. I was eating these in abundance for whole my life, with apparant good health.

Since going paleo, I can definitely say that I feal when eating grains (day after: somewhat swollen face and eyes in morning) or drinking milk (bloating).

Of course, self experimentation is prone to placebo/nocebo responses and wishfull interpretations.

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on August 18, 2010
at 04:57 PM

I suffered from stomach pain/IBS/GERD for years before going Paleo and healing my gut. About 3 months ago, I had a beer after being gluten free for quite some time. I barely slept that evening as my stomach was cramped and uncomfortable all night. To be honest I was shocked as I used to cheat with the occasional beer once every couple of weeks.

While my body appears to have become much more sensitive to gluten, I have also become 100% free of all stomach irregularities and related medications!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 17, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Gluten is all-or-nothing. It's fairly well-known that if you cut it out for a long period of time you will more than likely experience negative symptoms(perhaps ones you've never experienced before) as you reintroduce these toxic grains.

Corn is not recommended at all either, it has its own "gluten" which is different than wheat's gliadin but it still can cause leaky gut, digestive distress. And besides corn is void of nutrition and contains antinutrients.

Corn is used as an herbicide lol, it kills plants.

White rice is the safest grain, but still devoid of nutrition. It has the least amount of "gluten" though and no antinutrients so this is why it's the "safest".

I know it's confusing to hear corn and rice have gluten, they do have their own but it's different from the wheat/barley/rye kind which is the worse. All grains have a type of "gluten" and more research is being done on how bad these other less known 'glutens' are.

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154bf5c84f7bd9f52b361b45d05dbc3a

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on August 18, 2010
at 12:36 PM

Hi,

I think the OP may be right.

I've been paleo for 3 months. I went cold turkey and cut out all bread, rice pasta.

Anyway I had 2 beers yesterday and they played havock on my stomach. Without being too graphic, lets just say it all came out again quite quickly.

I was wondering if the fact that I had changed my diet has made me less tolerant. The OP might confirm this.

33f5e6af6eb437dc2dcc64d7afd7f536

(20)

on May 05, 2011
at 09:41 PM

I cheated and had cake yesterday for my Birthday; I feel awful today, same symptoms, it's all "coming out". :/

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 17, 2011
at 08:16 PM

So it appears patience it the key to decisions about re-introduction of non-paleo foods after a detox period. I don't have acute digestive problems, but keeping weight off, moderating mood swings and preventing serious disease are my priority with this way of eating.

Even after the detox I am going to have to go slow. I already think sugar and gluten are going to be severely limited or completely cut out. I do want to keep dairy and re-intoduce some grains like rice and possibly corn in small amounts. The main thing imo is to avoid becoming dogmatic, and the placebo effect, which is insidious in humans.

Glad I can watch my dog do so well gluten free. No placebo effect there:)

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5de2fffda92c0bf2be7ede10cad55546

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on August 19, 2010
at 01:36 PM

"Do regular doses of grains have a homeopathic effect?" No, grains have a very real effect! Unlike any imaginary homeopathic effect. I've been grain free for almost a year and I have no intention of eating them again just to see. I guess you'll have to do the experiment yourself tho I'd suggest not.

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on May 05, 2010
at 11:59 AM

I don't have an answer but a question to add to this--how long does it take to feel the benefits of omitting grain and/or dairy if it IS causing some type of harmful reaction in the body? Not necessarily a true allergic reaction, but perhaps contributing to other illnesses (auto-immune in nature).

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on May 09, 2010
at 03:12 PM

If there's a specific condition you are interested in, you could try checking over at celiac.com. In general, neurological type conditions improve but slowly compared to digestive. Joint issues often improve very quickly and mood issues are somewhere in the middle. But there's also a lot of variation by individual and age.

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