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Do you eat food that touches wheat?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 20, 2011 at 7:32 PM

i.e. would you eat a burger that was between two buns? Is the gluten contamination serious, for non-caeliacs?

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on November 02, 2011
at 12:25 AM

In addition, this letter to the editor says that studies show that a safe level lies somewhere between 10 and 50ppm, with further research needed, therefore the Codex limit of 200ppm is much too high. http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/1/260.1.full

3f5bbb444498a24f1a9720d75fa7c903

(2369)

on November 02, 2011
at 12:20 AM

This is from the Codex Alimentarius: a Geneva-based international organization that is jointly run by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations. Here is an explanation of the standards recommended by CA: http://www.celiac.com/categories/Gluten%252dFree/ As you can see, part of the standard recommends 200 ppm (in foods like wheat starch) and part recommends 20 ppm (in "natural" food stuffs). I am with you, however, in that I prefer no gluten at all, so I try to avoid any foods that might have any gluten.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on October 30, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Can you cite the reference for 200 ppm? I know celiacs have 20 ppm response. Thanks.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

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on August 23, 2011
at 09:17 PM

That's strange...it didn't get returned to me. I just sent it again.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 23, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Hey you never got the email. Not sure what happened. Can you send again.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 23, 2011
at 01:46 AM

I'll just add to my mystique, although I didn't realize I had any to begin with!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 22, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Yes that's it exactly! lol. Sorry about that. You can delete your comment as well if you want to look a little less crazy. Or leave it up to add to your mystique!

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 22, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Thanks a lot Shari! I was trying really hard NOT to look like a crazy person...now I look like a stalker who talks to myself. ;)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Mindi I deleted my comment as I couldn't just edit out the email address. Now you like like a crazy person, lol. I'll check my email later tonight. Thanks.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:05 AM

I agree! I emailed you earlier this evening.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 21, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Oh did that thread get deleted? Darn. I wish we could find a way to talk about these issues that are clearly tied to religion yet also to the paleo diet. It's so frustrating! I really would like to understand this more and I think the paleo community as a whole should try as well so we can effectively direct our message to those who can't do the evolution thing. We need to be able to reach people where we find them. joidevivebabyatyahoodotcom.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 21, 2011
at 06:31 AM

oh not I'm being laughed at!

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on August 21, 2011
at 03:37 AM

If I had a gluten allergy? Yes. But since I don't, I just toss aside what I can't eat and commence gromming.

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 02:37 AM

This site's minimum character requirements are doing violence to appropriate ellipses usage...

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 21, 2011
at 02:25 AM

charming.......

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 02:07 AM

I'm joking... comment comes from this famous art: (warning-muy explicit language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 21, 2011
at 02:01 AM

kind of cant believe this has three upvotes. and the whole "feelings are gay" thing is just kind of.....*jaw dropped*

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:55 AM

Speechless .

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 01:48 AM

I don't get lonely because feelings are gay.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Must get lonely.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:15 AM

You've never seen a person drop dead in a bakery after eating a pastry? Gluten is literally the most dangerous substance known to man.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:12 AM

I don't even eat meat from cattle that were raised in the same state that wheat is farmed. It's just too dangerous.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 21, 2011
at 12:52 AM

Great answer. Shari, I've been thinking about your answer to the question that got deleted earlier and I'd be willing to share my beliefs with you outside of this arena if there's a way we could get in touch. Not at all something I normally do, and I promise no crazy stuff, just an honest response to what you stated fascination about.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 21, 2011
at 12:30 AM

If we take everything to the nth degree then truly we are left with nothing to eat. Every food has something in it that may be problematic. Do I want to eat gluten every single day? No. But I knowingly eat it every once in a while and I'm fine with that. Do I dare admit that I enjoy it? Life is to be lived and enjoyed not feared. If you do not have severe issues and are lucky enough to have the choice to avoid it if you wish then be grateful for that and go out and into the world and enjoy the hell out of it. Every single bit of it.

88905cfc5bb098ad3830671a1af373a8

(803)

on August 20, 2011
at 09:52 PM

but gluten is supposed to be insidious, where you don't always know it's affecting you.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 20, 2011
at 09:27 PM

I honestly hope you are speaking for yourself. Most of the people in the world eating wheat are not gluttons. Realize that some of them, like me, are laughing at your comments on a public forum right now.

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6
3f5bbb444498a24f1a9720d75fa7c903

on August 20, 2011
at 08:40 PM

I do not have celiac disease, but I do have gluten sensitivity. There is no way I would eat meat that has touched a bun or the toppings off pizza, etc. It takes less than 200 ppm of gluten to cause a reaction in most people who are sensitive. Think of a piece of bread crumbled into a million pieces. 200 of those pieces would make a tiny crumb. I react with severe migraines and other neurological symptoms, not gut issues. Many researchers now think that celiac disease is actually the end result of a spectrum of disorders that result from eating gluten. If you don't react (and are sure about that) then go ahead. This idea of just eating the meat "off the bun" is becoming a problem for some celiac disease sufferers and those with gluten intolerance. Restaurant servers get confused when someone says they can't eat gluten and then eat a burger that touched a bun anyway or just pick off the croutons from a salad.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on October 30, 2011
at 02:05 AM

Can you cite the reference for 200 ppm? I know celiacs have 20 ppm response. Thanks.

3f5bbb444498a24f1a9720d75fa7c903

(2369)

on November 02, 2011
at 12:20 AM

This is from the Codex Alimentarius: a Geneva-based international organization that is jointly run by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) of the United Nations. Here is an explanation of the standards recommended by CA: http://www.celiac.com/categories/Gluten%252dFree/ As you can see, part of the standard recommends 200 ppm (in foods like wheat starch) and part recommends 20 ppm (in "natural" food stuffs). I am with you, however, in that I prefer no gluten at all, so I try to avoid any foods that might have any gluten.

3f5bbb444498a24f1a9720d75fa7c903

(2369)

on November 02, 2011
at 12:25 AM

In addition, this letter to the editor says that studies show that a safe level lies somewhere between 10 and 50ppm, with further research needed, therefore the Codex limit of 200ppm is much too high. http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/1/260.1.full

5
98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on August 20, 2011
at 08:47 PM

I would and I have. I have some sensitivity but eating meat that touched a bun would not hurt me. It may very well hurt a more sensitive body and certainly someone with celiacs. Some have the luxury of not caring about these things and some do not.

If you are new to paleo this sounds like a great opportunity to experiment. Eat it and watch yourself carefully looking to how you feel physically and mentally. I do think we all should have some idea of whether or not we are gluten sensitive and this might be a great way to gain knowledge to that end.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 23, 2011
at 09:17 PM

That's strange...it didn't get returned to me. I just sent it again.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 21, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Oh did that thread get deleted? Darn. I wish we could find a way to talk about these issues that are clearly tied to religion yet also to the paleo diet. It's so frustrating! I really would like to understand this more and I think the paleo community as a whole should try as well so we can effectively direct our message to those who can't do the evolution thing. We need to be able to reach people where we find them. joidevivebabyatyahoodotcom.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:05 AM

I agree! I emailed you earlier this evening.

88905cfc5bb098ad3830671a1af373a8

(803)

on August 20, 2011
at 09:52 PM

but gluten is supposed to be insidious, where you don't always know it's affecting you.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 22, 2011
at 02:23 AM

Yes that's it exactly! lol. Sorry about that. You can delete your comment as well if you want to look a little less crazy. Or leave it up to add to your mystique!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 21, 2011
at 12:30 AM

If we take everything to the nth degree then truly we are left with nothing to eat. Every food has something in it that may be problematic. Do I want to eat gluten every single day? No. But I knowingly eat it every once in a while and I'm fine with that. Do I dare admit that I enjoy it? Life is to be lived and enjoyed not feared. If you do not have severe issues and are lucky enough to have the choice to avoid it if you wish then be grateful for that and go out and into the world and enjoy the hell out of it. Every single bit of it.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 21, 2011
at 12:52 AM

Great answer. Shari, I've been thinking about your answer to the question that got deleted earlier and I'd be willing to share my beliefs with you outside of this arena if there's a way we could get in touch. Not at all something I normally do, and I promise no crazy stuff, just an honest response to what you stated fascination about.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 22, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Thanks a lot Shari! I was trying really hard NOT to look like a crazy person...now I look like a stalker who talks to myself. ;)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 23, 2011
at 02:59 AM

Hey you never got the email. Not sure what happened. Can you send again.

Aeec781cc234fcae119d4a71532058f5

(2047)

on August 23, 2011
at 01:46 AM

I'll just add to my mystique, although I didn't realize I had any to begin with!

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on August 22, 2011
at 12:10 AM

Mindi I deleted my comment as I couldn't just edit out the email address. Now you like like a crazy person, lol. I'll check my email later tonight. Thanks.

4
730b4d4c50506a31777e90b36c5999da

(235)

on August 20, 2011
at 07:59 PM

I would, and do. I don't have celiacs though, so someone with might have a different response. I can tolerate grain pretty easily, (and have to at certain times). I just choose not to when I don't have to. I don't think I'm endangering myself though by eating meat that has touched a piece of bread. Some of the grain free foods you eat are packaged in the same plants as grain. Unless it's states "gluten free", you can't be 100%.

I wouldn't worry too much. Unless you have celiacs. Then you might want to have more caution.

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0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 01:34 AM

I wouldn't even touch a person that touches wheat.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 21, 2011
at 02:01 AM

kind of cant believe this has three upvotes. and the whole "feelings are gay" thing is just kind of.....*jaw dropped*

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on August 21, 2011
at 02:25 AM

charming.......

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Must get lonely.

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 02:07 AM

I'm joking... comment comes from this famous art: (warning-muy explicit language) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 02:37 AM

This site's minimum character requirements are doing violence to appropriate ellipses usage...

0c939bdddc3d8f8ef923ba8a72aeda71

on August 21, 2011
at 01:48 AM

I don't get lonely because feelings are gay.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:55 AM

Speechless .

3
7255a87872b75e6f691d84dca769b87e

on August 20, 2011
at 08:50 PM

Even if you don't react in a celiac way to gluten, you could still be sensitive to it, with intolerance manifesting in other ways. Robb Wolf mentions this in a podcast: http://robbwolf.com/2011/03/29/the-paleo-solution-episode-73/ You probably won't get much gluten from a debunned burger, though. If you feel ok eating it, go on eating it. Just watch for "random" symptoms afterwards.

3
7050bbce676dfad74a40ec18387894f4

(601)

on August 20, 2011
at 08:08 PM

I have lived 40 years without death by hamburger bun. I highly doubt eating a patty today that has touched buns (I wish I could touch buns without getting slapped) will cause me to have some sort of reaction.

I have chosen to eliminate wheat, but I am not going to be anal-retentive about the proximity of bun to burger if I can simply discard them.

People with legit allergic reactions may feel differently.

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Medium avatar

(19479)

on August 20, 2011
at 10:05 PM

I think that stressing out about eating a burger that touched a bun is probably worse for most people (excluding those with high levels of sensitivity to gluten) than the tiny amount of wheat that you might eat as a result.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on August 20, 2011
at 08:36 PM

I just ate one yesterday! I served up burgers and hot dogs on buns for the others and then ate what was left over, so I had to take it off the bun.

I have no issues with gluten at all though, so it's not an issue for me.

1
C5c3a1fb34a486366e45afbb5eaaca05

on August 21, 2011
at 02:04 AM

I have celiac and have definitely been less than careful when it comes to cross contamination issues (during the summer I work in the backcountry, cooking with limited supplies and 4 gluten-gluttons). Honestly, I've never had an explicit incident (symptoms showing) from eating meat that's been cut with the same knife that's been used to spread mayo on bread. Going by this, I'm sure someone without celiac would be fine with a few incidents, though it's not something I would allow to happen often.

1
24fcc21452ebe39c032be6801d6bbadd

(9812)

on August 20, 2011
at 09:11 PM

I get abdominal pain and bloating from gluten, but I can tolerate small amounts without symptoms. I had an endoscopy come up negative for celiac, so I don't worry about contamination.

1
095ef76482234d3db444b77d7ed01c29

(2755)

on August 20, 2011
at 08:18 PM

It is a healthier way of life, not a cult. So don't worry about it. It's meat. Whatever the cow ate before it was slaughtered, it was turned into meat. So it's fine. If you have allergy or medical issues and the cross contamination is a real problem and not an imagined one...then don't. Otherwise, don't worry about it.

0
8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

on October 21, 2011
at 02:57 AM

Yes, I do eat it cross-contaminated food on occasion but I avoid it 90% of the time.

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 20, 2011
at 07:37 PM

Gluten is gluttony omgggg

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 21, 2011
at 06:31 AM

oh not I'm being laughed at!

Medium avatar

(10611)

on August 20, 2011
at 09:27 PM

I honestly hope you are speaking for yourself. Most of the people in the world eating wheat are not gluttons. Realize that some of them, like me, are laughing at your comments on a public forum right now.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 21, 2011
at 01:12 AM

I don't even eat meat from cattle that were raised in the same state that wheat is farmed. It's just too dangerous.

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