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For those of you who are gluten sensitive, do you react to dairy, and if so, how much?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 14, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Since starting Paleo (4 months ago) I have discovered that the major reason I feel so much better on this diet is that I definitely have gluten sensitivity (NCGS), and Paleo has eliminated pretty much everything that can cross-react with gluten. So, my body has had a very nice rest and recovery from the damage that the gluten had been doing.

I'm not exactly sure which of the other foods that are possible cross-reactors will cause problems for me (except for coffee, which has sadly proven to be a gluten doppelganger in my body), because I've been reluctant to experiment at this stage.

The hardest thing for me to give up has been dairy, and I'm wondering how many of you gluten sensitive people find that you also have a real problem with any and all dairy, and to what extent. Can you eat butter or cream? Or is even the smallest amount of dairy a problem, the way that gluten is? Do you get different symptoms that what you get form eating gluten, or does dairy have pretty much the same effect that gluten does on your body?

Edited to add a link to another post about cross-reactors: http://paleohacks.com/questions/46162/gluten-cross-reactivity#axzz1mI35fm8z

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on April 02, 2012
at 10:50 PM

WELCOME BACK AB!!! And congrats on the Yearling Badge!!!

D465d14cf5ef9da8436caf6435a5af67

(65)

on February 15, 2012
at 08:06 PM

thanks, this is interesting, since it took over a year of gf-diet to realized that theres more into it. Now on Paleo, I feel fine for the first time I can remember -- coffee needs to be checked though.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:36 PM

@PaleoGran--that's in interesting link. I do have pale skin and freckles. I'm not sure what to make of it all, though. That site is saying that it's not the gluten or casein which are the problem at all. It is the peptides. Not sure what to think.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:27 PM

Thank you. I'll give that a try in a couple of weeks. I severely glutened myself on Sunday (totally by mistake, and I only just figured out how it happened today. Let's just say that I have all the common sense of a turnip, and leave it at that--it's too embarrassing) and my gut needs time to heal before I do any more experiments.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:25 PM

Thank you. I'll give that a try in a couple of weeks. I severely glutened myself on Sunday (totally by mistake, and I only just figured out how it happened today. Let's just say that I have all the common sense of s turnip, and leave it at that--it's too embarrassing) and my gut needs time to heal before any more experiments.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on February 15, 2012
at 03:43 PM

Soporificat, there is some interesting info on this at the FailSafe blog: http://failsafediet.wordpress.com/the-rpah-elimination-diet-failsafe/gluten-and-casein-responders/

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Here is a link to another post about cross-reactors. Honestly, there is not a lot of science out there about this. http://paleohacks.com/questions/46162/gluten-cross-reactivity#axzz1mI35fm8z

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Apparently, coffee has proteins which look an awful lot like gliadin to the body. Something like 90% of people with NCGS will react to the coffee proteins. I love coffee soooo much :(

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on February 15, 2012
at 03:02 PM

+1 Thanks for the links AB

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on February 15, 2012
at 08:08 AM

@Soporificat I can't say for sure because I didn't experiment regularly, I just sort of realized it at some point. But I would think that Dragonfly's estimate is probably about right.

D465d14cf5ef9da8436caf6435a5af67

(65)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:38 AM

my life also changed dramatically when realizing Iam gluten intolerant. Though I avoid avoid dairy as well, since it causes slight IBS symptoms. Will think about coeffee, any link on this topic available?

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on February 15, 2012
at 05:40 AM

my nails got SO much better after I got all the way off gluten.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 15, 2012
at 04:50 AM

Still lactose intolerant, but otherwise it took about 3 months gluten-free for me.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 15, 2012
at 04:49 AM

This has been true for me. I can drink raw milk with no problem, fermented if it is pasteurized.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 02:26 AM

@Ameridindian and Nance--How long did it take for those changes to happen?

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Ooooooh! That's very exciting news. Thanks for the links!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on February 14, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Getting off wheat (and drinking water kefir) worked for me! No problems with yogurt or ice cream now.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on February 14, 2012
at 11:11 PM

This has basically been my experience. I was very lactose intolerant and now everything but drinking milk is tolerable. I haven't tried raw milk however.

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D1c02d4fc5125a670cf419dbb3e18ba7

on February 14, 2012
at 10:57 PM

There are some interesting articles from Peter at Hyperlipid on this topic

Short answer - the extirpation of gluten for many will make dairy tolerable. As always, YMMV!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 15, 2012
at 04:49 AM

This has been true for me. I can drink raw milk with no problem, fermented if it is pasteurized.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on February 14, 2012
at 11:17 PM

Getting off wheat (and drinking water kefir) worked for me! No problems with yogurt or ice cream now.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on February 15, 2012
at 03:02 PM

+1 Thanks for the links AB

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on February 14, 2012
at 11:11 PM

This has basically been my experience. I was very lactose intolerant and now everything but drinking milk is tolerable. I haven't tried raw milk however.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 01:19 AM

Ooooooh! That's very exciting news. Thanks for the links!

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on February 15, 2012
at 08:08 AM

@Soporificat I can't say for sure because I didn't experiment regularly, I just sort of realized it at some point. But I would think that Dragonfly's estimate is probably about right.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 15, 2012
at 04:50 AM

Still lactose intolerant, but otherwise it took about 3 months gluten-free for me.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 02:26 AM

@Ameridindian and Nance--How long did it take for those changes to happen?

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on April 02, 2012
at 10:50 PM

WELCOME BACK AB!!! And congrats on the Yearling Badge!!!

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D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on February 15, 2012
at 05:31 AM

I am so freaking lucky. I gave up gluten and regained my ability to digest dairy. I notice that conventional dairy congests me a bit, but it doesn't bother my gut in the least. I don't notice congestion when I eat raw dairy. All dairy used to be a horrible gut bomb. Out of curiosity, I did an Enterolabs test right before I gave up gluten, and came back with no reaction to casein and a major reaction to gluten. Phew. Casein intolerance is hugely common with GF folks.

What's the deal with coffee? I've never heard that before and I've spent 3+ years on gluten free blogs and such. Coffee certainly can aggravate a cranky gut, but I am curious as to the science of coffee making your body think it's being glutened.

Keep sticking with it. I really feel like my health transformed about two years in to living without gluten (this was well before paleo, too). One day I looked down and realized my nails were beautiful and strong. My whole life they've been weak, flaked, ridged and easily blemished. My skin cracks much less. My color is better. I heal better. When I eat a food my body particularly digests well, I actually FEEL good afterwards. The IBS went away very quickly, but I think the healing from the inside out really did take some time.

F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

(2036)

on February 15, 2012
at 05:40 AM

my nails got SO much better after I got all the way off gluten.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Here is a link to another post about cross-reactors. Honestly, there is not a lot of science out there about this. http://paleohacks.com/questions/46162/gluten-cross-reactivity#axzz1mI35fm8z

D465d14cf5ef9da8436caf6435a5af67

(65)

on February 15, 2012
at 08:06 PM

thanks, this is interesting, since it took over a year of gf-diet to realized that theres more into it. Now on Paleo, I feel fine for the first time I can remember -- coffee needs to be checked though.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Apparently, coffee has proteins which look an awful lot like gliadin to the body. Something like 90% of people with NCGS will react to the coffee proteins. I love coffee soooo much :(

D465d14cf5ef9da8436caf6435a5af67

(65)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:38 AM

my life also changed dramatically when realizing Iam gluten intolerant. Though I avoid avoid dairy as well, since it causes slight IBS symptoms. Will think about coeffee, any link on this topic available?

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D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

on February 15, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Hi, Soporificat. :) I use pastured butter and it doesn't seem to cause problems. I use a bit of half-and-half in my tea, perhaps 2 - 3 ounces per day, and it is all right these days. (I don't eat any other FODMAPs, so the lactose in the h&h is in that context.)

I make yoghurt from heavy whipping cream and some h&h. I incubate it 24-48 hours to reduce lactose. Sometimes, I make mascarpone cheese from hwc and lemon juice. I eat one or two tablespoons of the yoghurt or mascarpone at a time, though, occasionally, I will eat two or three ounces, but that is not often at all. I eat a bit of yoghurt each day. The mascarpone, every few months. As a special treat, I make custard with cream, eggs or egg yolks, and crushed saccharine tablets.

I don't know if it is the casein in cheese, or the amines, but I do better without it, especially during pollen season.

I eat no grains, and also no nightshades.

I wish you happy experimenting. :)

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B23318c968ac589b87131d5b489d6e16

(1294)

on February 15, 2012
at 12:09 AM

Yes I definitely am sensitive to both. Less sensitive to dairy now, my guts are getting better. But I have been Gluten Free for 3 years and Paleo for a few months. I can have it now and then, but notice changes immediately (mostly in my skin) when I eat dairy. Itchy, breakout, dry patches. I used to have breathing trouble as soon as I ate dairy, that never happens any more. Goat dairy does it less then cow.

I have often wondered if it is the grains cows are fed. Even if they say "grass fed" they are often given grain in winter months. I know that human infants can react to what mom eats, so why wouldn't be sensitive to what the cow eats?

The only way to really know is to cut it out, 100% for a month or so and add it back in. Your body will tell you whats up.

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Dd5af35625f69cd0d88957daa93decc3

on May 02, 2012
at 03:55 PM

Not all coffee is just coffee. You have to read the ingredients. Especially flavored coffees can contain gluten but not all do. Call the companies to ask. If they give a non-decisive answer, don't buy it. If you get a reaction, don't drink it. Also, consider what you are putting in your coffee, that the sugar isn't processed on lines that also processes wheat, that the syrups don't contain things like maltodextrin from wheat. I handle store bought milk just fine but not raw goat's milk as I know those goats are fed wheat and barley.

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88a3d907cfbe4cb0a23fd5da36161f9b

(614)

on February 15, 2012
at 03:53 PM

I have a wheat allergy that causes debilitating hives with some edema. Dairy, in large quantities (more than one serving per day) gives me diarrhea.

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F15e0bae42dbf0b8cfc71e62902497b4

on February 15, 2012
at 05:41 AM

I was severely lactose intolerant before I gave up gluten (an allergy pill that was bound with lactose sent me to the bathroom for hours) but since about a month after I went totally gluten free, I haven't had any digestive problems with dairy. I do, however, find that when I get my hands on some nice whole, non-homogenized milk, I tend to binge. like drink-the-whole-quart-in-a-day. not the best thing carb/calorie-wise but no negative side effects.

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13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

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on February 15, 2012
at 02:41 AM

Before you give up on coffee, try washing the coffee beans, drying them grinding.

Ghee is ok because no casein, all other dairy is problematic for mood, sleep and nasal congestion.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:27 PM

Thank you. I'll give that a try in a couple of weeks. I severely glutened myself on Sunday (totally by mistake, and I only just figured out how it happened today. Let's just say that I have all the common sense of a turnip, and leave it at that--it's too embarrassing) and my gut needs time to heal before I do any more experiments.

Cd717290eb43a6e17061f9920deed977

(1267)

on February 15, 2012
at 06:25 PM

Thank you. I'll give that a try in a couple of weeks. I severely glutened myself on Sunday (totally by mistake, and I only just figured out how it happened today. Let's just say that I have all the common sense of s turnip, and leave it at that--it's too embarrassing) and my gut needs time to heal before any more experiments.

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