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Question: difference between gluten grains and non gluten grains

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 20, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I know that grains are a big no no in paleo. This question is just for curiosity. "The grain is anything but defenseless, though. It has an array of chemical defenses, including various lectins, gluten, and phytic acid, that disrupt your digestion, cause inflammation, and prevent you from absorbing vital nutrients and minerals." I got this quote from The primal blueprint fundamentals. So would the ancient grains which are gluten free like rice and quinoa, etc... not be worse for you than the gluten containing grain because they are considered a seed, or are they all equally bad for you??

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:47 AM

(in my opinion of course, re the nuts thing)

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:47 AM

I like that commentary on mda on rice. He's like "its a sometimes food", not perfect, not for regular consumption, but not as bad as wheat, corn etc. Combined with what ive heard about white rice containing less nonsense, I would probably take the attitude that as a once in awhile its okay. Of course being low in nutrients and not tasting that great, it would be rare youd need to make the exception.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:43 AM

The other anti-nutrients in grains/seeds, notso much. But I just wanted to point out theres more to the phytic acid story, and another arrow in the quiver for the health benefits of eating nuts.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 22, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Phytic acid is not just an anti-nutrient, its also a nutrient (inositol). Its also anti-carcinogenic. Eaten apart from other foods, in moderation, i see no issue with it, in fact its probably good for you.

D35bd0d497528f16d114231ad9970a1b

on October 21, 2012
at 12:17 AM

Thank you, I never thought of nuts as a seed, and did not realize all grain are seeds, this really helps. Thank you!!

D35bd0d497528f16d114231ad9970a1b

on October 21, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Thank you I was not aware as I am new to all of this and thank you for the links they are all very informative.

D41bd7b3d3b962eb0146f471eb632f56

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on October 20, 2012
at 11:00 PM

Haha! Very true. But I was speaking specifically in an anti-nutrient perspective. Micronutrient values are rather different as well, mostly in the fact that nuts/seeds are more concentrated sources of the same nutrients.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 20, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Almond butter is tasty, Quinoa butter isn't. I bet that is more of a factor than the lectins!

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D41bd7b3d3b962eb0146f471eb632f56

on October 20, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Gluten-free grains obviously don't contain the gluten, but they still contain lectins and phytic acids (and some like quinoa contain saponins). If one "properly prepares" these grains in a the way traditional cultures did, a lot of those bad issues are greatly diminished. But it still doesn't help the fact that compared to other food, grains really aren't that nutritious.

I'll also point out that all grains are seeds. There's nothing really special about calling quinoa or buckwheat a seed.

Also, for perspective, most nuts and seeds contain these same enzyme-inhibitors, too (except gluten). Sometimes in a far greater amount than than certain grains. My personal opinion is that in the anti-nutrient perspective, the only difference between legumes/gluten free grains and nuts is that one is carb-dominant while the other is fat-dominant.

Others will probably have more to add to this.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 20, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Almond butter is tasty, Quinoa butter isn't. I bet that is more of a factor than the lectins!

D41bd7b3d3b962eb0146f471eb632f56

(2029)

on October 20, 2012
at 11:00 PM

Haha! Very true. But I was speaking specifically in an anti-nutrient perspective. Micronutrient values are rather different as well, mostly in the fact that nuts/seeds are more concentrated sources of the same nutrients.

D35bd0d497528f16d114231ad9970a1b

on October 21, 2012
at 12:17 AM

Thank you, I never thought of nuts as a seed, and did not realize all grain are seeds, this really helps. Thank you!!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 22, 2012
at 12:47 AM

(in my opinion of course, re the nuts thing)

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 22, 2012
at 12:43 AM

The other anti-nutrients in grains/seeds, notso much. But I just wanted to point out theres more to the phytic acid story, and another arrow in the quiver for the health benefits of eating nuts.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 22, 2012
at 12:40 AM

Phytic acid is not just an anti-nutrient, its also a nutrient (inositol). Its also anti-carcinogenic. Eaten apart from other foods, in moderation, i see no issue with it, in fact its probably good for you.

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449e19bbd371a87b653b9b8b56736005

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on October 20, 2012
at 10:36 PM

It's interesting you bring up that you got the quote from Primal Blueprint, when marksdailyapple.com has several articles addressing just this.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/alternatives-to-grains-quinoa/

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/is-rice-unhealthy/

Start with those. The search engine on his site is really good and it's easy to get totally immersed in moving from one article to another while learning!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on October 22, 2012
at 12:47 AM

I like that commentary on mda on rice. He's like "its a sometimes food", not perfect, not for regular consumption, but not as bad as wheat, corn etc. Combined with what ive heard about white rice containing less nonsense, I would probably take the attitude that as a once in awhile its okay. Of course being low in nutrients and not tasting that great, it would be rare youd need to make the exception.

D35bd0d497528f16d114231ad9970a1b

on October 21, 2012
at 12:16 AM

Thank you I was not aware as I am new to all of this and thank you for the links they are all very informative.

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E40b2fc9ddcf702bab9d61d28b8c8440

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on October 21, 2012
at 04:13 PM

All grains contain gluten, just different forms. Gliadin is the common one that causes problems for a lot of folks, however there are many more. Every person is different, some may be able to tolerate rice, corn, etc better than others. What really matters is what is best for YOU. Cut them all from the diet for 30 days, then try some rice, see how you fare. Also think about your health and fitness goals and decide for yourself if these so-called safer grains will help you achieve those goals. Another great gluten resource:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cv5RwxYW8yA

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