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On a scale from 1-10, how bad is this?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 03, 2012 at 2:56 PM

1 being = NOT BAD AT ALL 10 being = OMG THAT'S SATAN!

It seems that I have developed a bad habit for these gluten free bars at Starbucks. The label says gluten free, wheat free, dairy free. It's basically filled with nuts, cinnamon, seeds, berried, and I think it says cane sugar.

I know that this is not ideally paleo, of course. But because I was slacking in my preparation, I was having one like, every day.

How bad is that?

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on August 07, 2012
at 03:44 PM

It's carbohydrate based and will cause an insulin spike. This will lead to cravings. It isn't crack but it will up-regulate insulin production which will cause cravings. We are hormonally controlled. Eat what you want I am not moralizing, just reviewing the biochemistry.

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on August 04, 2012
at 05:18 PM

Talk about moralistic! The bars aren't crack; give paleono a break!

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on August 04, 2012
at 04:10 AM

"""After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men. Urine concentrations of E1, estradiol, estriol and pregnanediol significantly increased in all adults and children. In four out of five women, ovulation occurred during the milk intake, and the timing of ovulation was similar among the three menstrual cycles."""

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

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on August 04, 2012
at 04:09 AM

MathGirl72....it isn't a controversial claim at all if you understood simple biological facts about plant vs animal hormones in humans. In any case http://birdflubook.com/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.pdf

2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on August 03, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Thanks. I was trying to give an honest answer without being snarky. You took it the way it was meant!

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:39 PM

True, if I'm going to indulge, it should be in something much better (mmm gluten free donuts)

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:37 PM

You're very right, my preparation has been "lack thereof" lately. I was wondering about this today because I am prepared today, but found myself craving it, and then snapped out of it (yikes, scary!)

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Please back up your claim that cow's milk is more estrogenic than soy.

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:12 PM

Thanks, CD! I strive to be paleo, so it's probably just a better idea to stay away altogether from them unless I'm in one of those "must have" moods, which is what I reach to achieve, but in hindsight I could see why my fat loss was stagnant.

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:09 PM

I assume you are talking about KIND bars (as they are the only bars I have ever seen at Starbucks, and they are gluten free).

Kind Bars typically contain some Nuts, Seeds, Honey, and then chicory root fiber, crisp rice, Madagascar vanilla,

Almost all of the bars use peanuts (which are not great).

Chicory root fiber (Inulin) I think you can get away with, although I am skeptical about those types of hacks to whole foods.

The crisp rice depends on whether you are paleo (then no) or whole foods (then probably ok)

Soy lecithin is a byproduct of soy oil extraction which is not particularly bad for you (not really good either), and it's an emulsifier so it's used in lots of products (like most dark chocolates that I see in stores)

So if you are in good health, and are not looking to loose weight, adding these to your diet is not going to send you into a SAD spiral. BUT! there is nothing particularly good about these bars, and much better ways to get your snack fix. I would say they are a 4 on your scale.

E15c5c2d17c4a5d723ce7bb4437062e6

(789)

on August 03, 2012
at 03:12 PM

Thanks, CD! I strive to be paleo, so it's probably just a better idea to stay away altogether from them unless I'm in one of those "must have" moods, which is what I reach to achieve, but in hindsight I could see why my fat loss was stagnant.

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2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on August 03, 2012
at 03:14 PM

I agree with CD but would give you a 6.25 for lack of preparation and self control. The bar won't due much damage per say but it could be your "gateway" for an insulin spike which will lead to other indulgences. Be careful

2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on August 03, 2012
at 04:07 PM

Thanks. I was trying to give an honest answer without being snarky. You took it the way it was meant!

E15c5c2d17c4a5d723ce7bb4437062e6

(789)

on August 03, 2012
at 03:37 PM

You're very right, my preparation has been "lack thereof" lately. I was wondering about this today because I am prepared today, but found myself craving it, and then snapped out of it (yikes, scary!)

C5ff8864f9ff627033b722e1c0cea92b

(130)

on August 04, 2012
at 05:18 PM

Talk about moralistic! The bars aren't crack; give paleono a break!

2e5dc29c61f97d335ffb990508424719

on August 07, 2012
at 03:44 PM

It's carbohydrate based and will cause an insulin spike. This will lead to cravings. It isn't crack but it will up-regulate insulin production which will cause cravings. We are hormonally controlled. Eat what you want I am not moralizing, just reviewing the biochemistry.

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on August 04, 2012
at 02:48 AM

WTF is with these answers? Totally irrelevant to the question at hand.

THE ANSWER IS 1.75.

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on August 03, 2012
at 06:32 PM

I eat selected KIND bars not infrequently (on road trips). I think they're one of the best bar snacks of that kind. There are in fact plenty without peanuts or soy protein which is what you've really got to watch; soy lethicin is such a small amount it's nuts to worry about it. Sweetened with glucose which is much better than alternatives. And they are not the carb bombs that Larabars are -- they average around 20 carbs per bar (depends on the variety). But I try not to buy them on a regular basis.

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on August 03, 2012
at 06:51 PM

IMHO, for Paleos the soy estrogenic issue is overblown. It is a problem for folks on the SAD, because soybean oil seems to have become the industrial oil of choice and is in almost every processed food these days. So SAD eaters are getting TONS of it.

For a Paleo who avoids processed foods and industrial oils, the small amount of estrogenic compounds one would get from an occasional indulgence, or from eating edamame or soy sauce, is not worth worry about. Again, my opinion. But as with most things, the dose makes the poison.

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on August 03, 2012
at 06:02 PM

It kinda depends on you...

If you are lean, workout a fair bit and don't have a bad reaction to any of the ingredients, then maybe somewhere in the range of 1-3.

For me, probably more like 8-10, depending on how much sugar is in there.

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:22 PM

Some Kind bars have soy lecithin which is not paleo. It IS estrogenic so it should be avoided. That being said, cows milk is MUCH more estrogenic and few people in the paleo circle are leading a charge against milk (for that reason).

Some of the Kind bars also have a few peanuts in them. Not terrible, but not paleo...

Choose your fights and your indulgences wisely. If a Kind bar is the worst of your day then you're likely doing better than most "paleos"... If a Kind bar is your "gateway drug" to other things...then it could be the worst thing your doing....

So either a 1 or a 10 on your scale. All depend on context. :p

E15c5c2d17c4a5d723ce7bb4437062e6

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on August 03, 2012
at 03:39 PM

True, if I'm going to indulge, it should be in something much better (mmm gluten free donuts)

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 04, 2012
at 04:09 AM

MathGirl72....it isn't a controversial claim at all if you understood simple biological facts about plant vs animal hormones in humans. In any case http://birdflubook.com/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.pdf

6d64cd6dc98d6ab763bd03678a317964

(2177)

on August 04, 2012
at 04:10 AM

"""After the intake of cow milk, serum estrone (E1) and progesterone concentrations significantly increased, and serum luteinizing hormone, follicle-stimulating hormone and testosterone significantly decreased in men. Urine concentrations of E1, estradiol, estriol and pregnanediol significantly increased in all adults and children. In four out of five women, ovulation occurred during the milk intake, and the timing of ovulation was similar among the three menstrual cycles."""

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11048)

on August 03, 2012
at 03:32 PM

Please back up your claim that cow's milk is more estrogenic than soy.

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