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Reintroduced milk, bad gas and loose stools are BACK ? don't know what to do please help

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 14, 2012 at 7:38 PM

I am currently bulking up , due to the lack of calories AND calcium in my diet, I decided to reintroduce whole milk. It's freakin delicious btw , but the problem is that the bad gas I used to have prior to becoming Paleo is BACK. I am also having loose stools. I am 17 year old and I don't know whether I should be sweating the small stuff.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 16, 2012
at 07:25 PM

My grass fed beef is price per lb, not gallon, a typo. 1 lb of lean ground beef has 97g of protein. 1 lb of milk has 15. Milk is mostly water, sugar and fat by volume. Protein for protein this guy would be better off with the beef because of all the good stuff in it, if that's too pricey I'd get whey. Spending $20-30 for a gallon of pastured, raw, milk is nuts.

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on April 16, 2012
at 12:32 PM

LikesLardinMayo, "A gallon of grass fed beef is $3", where are you shopping, I'd like to know?!?! If a gallon of whole milk weighs around 8.5 lbs, then even a cheap cut of grass fed beef (say $3/lb) would be $25.50 (grass fed raw milk is $12 where I live)... That being said, I still agree the beef is a better choice for gaining lean muscle, just maybe not cheaper...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2012
at 04:53 PM

Also "cheaper"? A gallon of grass fed beef is $3. A months worth of whey is $45. A gallon of organic milk is $8 where I live and closer to $24 for grass-fed raw. In what way is milk cheaper?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2012
at 04:51 PM

When Peatatarians attack. Everyone does better on milk don't ya know. Matt - Milk doesn't "put on muscle" better than beef. It cause tissue growth. Period. Hypercaloric feeds of meat or protein powder Vs. milk show a great increase in central adiposity and fat gain in general in the milk drinkers. Their is a reason this went out of fashion in BB. It's basically a dirty bulk.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

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on April 15, 2012
at 04:13 PM

Yeah, about that GOMAD stuff. It will make you gain weight, fat weight that is.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Even if milk does work better for adding muscle than beef, the guy (Ali) thinks he is getting "bad gas and loose stools" from dairy so how is drinking milk going to help him? Don't you people ever read the questions properly? LOL

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

Lactase supplementation? See if that mitigates the problems.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

It doesn't what? Put on muscle better than beef? There's too many data points out there supporting the fact that it does. As for the OP, unfortunately he's dairy intolerant (sounds like lactose-intolerance) so he's not going to be able to use milk, unless he supplements with some lactase.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 15, 2012
at 06:09 AM

I totally agree with Matt. Milk works WAY better than beef.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on April 15, 2012
at 06:08 AM

Or just eggshell calcium, which seems to be the best calcium source after milk.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 15, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Firstly, no it doesn't. Secondly, unless you are juiced you just aren't going to ever put on muscle at a rate that requires that many calories. Thirdly, and seriously, if you are losing all your calories to the toilet you aren't gonna get big. If you shit on the bench press station at your gym you are gonna lose your membership.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 15, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Except a gallon of milk is cheaper, has more calories/protein, and tends to produce more favorable growth than a pound of beef.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 14, 2012
at 11:06 PM

I don't see the point in force feeding yourself a cocktail of food you can't digest with something to digest it. Eat things your body can naturally handle....

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on April 14, 2012
at 10:40 PM

I second this opinion. Excellent advice.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on April 14, 2012
at 09:33 PM

Easiest way to supp calcium is calcium carbonate.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

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on April 14, 2012
at 09:31 PM

Lactose intolerance, try lactase enzymes. Also Greek yogurt.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

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on April 14, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Yep. Definately Kefir. I went from being lactose intolerant all my life to drinking whole milk with no problems after daily kefir.

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on April 14, 2012
at 09:00 PM

Un-reintroduce dairy? Sounds like dairy intolerance.

55cacccadb701036d0c796595d37fa9a

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on April 14, 2012
at 08:53 PM

A pound of ground beef, every day !

0266737ea1782946902fd3f8e60fa0b9

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on April 14, 2012
at 08:45 PM

+1 for experimenting with dairy kefir. Also, you can experiment with raw dairy, non-cow-dairy (goat, sheep).

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:46 PM

Milk for bulking is highly over-rated. You gotta remember the old guys who really pushed the gallon of milk a day shtick were football players who wanted to gain mass. Firstly, they didn't care if they put on fat too. Secondly, if you look at the amount of steroid use in college football, not to mention pro, they had a big advantage for partitioning to muscle instead of fat.

Just eat a pound of good beef instead....

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2012
at 02:31 PM

Even if milk does work better for adding muscle than beef, the guy (Ali) thinks he is getting "bad gas and loose stools" from dairy so how is drinking milk going to help him? Don't you people ever read the questions properly? LOL

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 15, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Except a gallon of milk is cheaper, has more calories/protein, and tends to produce more favorable growth than a pound of beef.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 15, 2012
at 06:09 AM

I totally agree with Matt. Milk works WAY better than beef.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on April 14, 2012
at 10:40 PM

I second this opinion. Excellent advice.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2012
at 02:47 AM

Firstly, no it doesn't. Secondly, unless you are juiced you just aren't going to ever put on muscle at a rate that requires that many calories. Thirdly, and seriously, if you are losing all your calories to the toilet you aren't gonna get big. If you shit on the bench press station at your gym you are gonna lose your membership.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on April 15, 2012
at 12:53 PM

It doesn't what? Put on muscle better than beef? There's too many data points out there supporting the fact that it does. As for the OP, unfortunately he's dairy intolerant (sounds like lactose-intolerance) so he's not going to be able to use milk, unless he supplements with some lactase.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2012
at 04:51 PM

When Peatatarians attack. Everyone does better on milk don't ya know. Matt - Milk doesn't "put on muscle" better than beef. It cause tissue growth. Period. Hypercaloric feeds of meat or protein powder Vs. milk show a great increase in central adiposity and fat gain in general in the milk drinkers. Their is a reason this went out of fashion in BB. It's basically a dirty bulk.

55cacccadb701036d0c796595d37fa9a

(53)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:53 PM

A pound of ground beef, every day !

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 15, 2012
at 04:53 PM

Also "cheaper"? A gallon of grass fed beef is $3. A months worth of whey is $45. A gallon of organic milk is $8 where I live and closer to $24 for grass-fed raw. In what way is milk cheaper?

44739854bd06eb5c32af5d33aa866864

(859)

on April 16, 2012
at 12:32 PM

LikesLardinMayo, "A gallon of grass fed beef is $3", where are you shopping, I'd like to know?!?! If a gallon of whole milk weighs around 8.5 lbs, then even a cheap cut of grass fed beef (say $3/lb) would be $25.50 (grass fed raw milk is $12 where I live)... That being said, I still agree the beef is a better choice for gaining lean muscle, just maybe not cheaper...

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 16, 2012
at 07:25 PM

My grass fed beef is price per lb, not gallon, a typo. 1 lb of lean ground beef has 97g of protein. 1 lb of milk has 15. Milk is mostly water, sugar and fat by volume. Protein for protein this guy would be better off with the beef because of all the good stuff in it, if that's too pricey I'd get whey. Spending $20-30 for a gallon of pastured, raw, milk is nuts.

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3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:25 PM

I'd suggest you try goat milk/cheese/yogurt instead of cow, since the goat/sheep casein is much more tolerable than that of cows (use only cream/butter from cows). If problems persist, then try home-made goat kefir (36 hours fermentation) or probiotic yogurt (24 hours fermentation), and hard goat/sheep cheeses. Most of lactose will be gone this way. If that doesn't work either, try calcium-fortified almond/coconut milk and get calcium vitamins.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 15, 2012
at 06:08 AM

Or just eggshell calcium, which seems to be the best calcium source after milk.

05055dcbf12c81f1cce777ec365870af

(1791)

on April 14, 2012
at 09:33 PM

Easiest way to supp calcium is calcium carbonate.

4
78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

on April 14, 2012
at 07:48 PM

Sounds like you have a dairy intolerance. Have you had the same reaction with kefir? Some people who don't do well with milk are okay with fermented dairy. That way, you'll get to have something you think is "delicious" and get the benefits of a probiotic food.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on April 14, 2012
at 09:25 PM

Yep. Definately Kefir. I went from being lactose intolerant all my life to drinking whole milk with no problems after daily kefir.

0266737ea1782946902fd3f8e60fa0b9

(2504)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:45 PM

+1 for experimenting with dairy kefir. Also, you can experiment with raw dairy, non-cow-dairy (goat, sheep).

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C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on April 14, 2012
at 08:21 PM

Like Sunny Beaches said it sounds like dairy intolerance. Those are classic symptoms. Have you reintroduced anything else into your diet?

You should look at other options for bulking like carb loading (sweet potatos and the like), eggs, meat, etc... I'm not an expert though so can't really say much more on that.

How do you bulk on a paleo diet: http://paleohacks.com/questions/31473/how-do-you-bulk-on-a-paleo-diet#axzz1rwvQWsMD

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345c1755efe005edd162b770dc6fb821

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on April 15, 2012
at 11:54 AM

Dairy should be introduced slowly and gradually to avoid issues, if you aren't use to it and especially if you are intolerant. Coconut milk (in moderation) will be a great solution as well as the other carbs that people are suggesting, meat, eggs, avocado, sweet potatoes, coconut oil.

Why suffer? Have you tried full fat cream (to test), just curious if there are some dairy products that bother you more/less than others.

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