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High Fat Diet = Gall Stones? UPDATED

Answered on April 30, 2015
Created June 28, 2012 at 7:25 PM

I just had an Ultrasound done on my gall bladder. Last week I was rushed to ER with severe abdominal pain. At the time it was determined that I had a slightly elevated Lipase enzyme level. The ER doc suspected a gall stone.

During the Ultrasound the Tech and I began discussing the gall bladder. She indicated that she felt that gall stones were caused by too much fat in a person's diet. Her views are from experience with no evidence but could ones high fat intake cause one to develop gall stones?

Elevated Lipase can also be a smoking gun that a person has Celiac's disease, which I have suspected for a long time but have never been able to get medical confirmation.

UPDATE: Results came back NO STONES! Let the high fat diet continue.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on November 29, 2012
at 07:47 PM

Good for you! I've been 2+ years without pain, diarrhea, or gallstones. Your doctor is wrong, gallstones are not because of fat but because of NO fat in the diet. If you don't eat fat or cholesterol, the bile in your gallbladder goes unused and forms sludge and stones. Then when you DO eat fat, the bile wants to come out to help digest the fat and it CANT and causes pain. I wish doctors weren't so dumb. I'm convinced doctors are here to kill us all! Seriously, I was going to have my "useless non-functioning gallbladder" removed!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 29, 2012
at 06:51 AM

Thanks! Nice to know.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 29, 2012
at 04:36 AM

Congrats on a stone free gallbladder!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 28, 2012
at 10:06 PM

One more thing - my celiac is diagnosed based on elimination diet. All my blood tests came back negative.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:47 PM

VB, my husband had gallstones several years ago and was able to get rid of them using olive oil and lemon juice. He consumed only unfiltered apple juice in between drinking the lemon juice/olive oil remedy. Some sites suggest putting peppermint oil in the olive oil to help soothe the stomach and others suggest chopped garlic. His stones were gone (confirmed by ultrasound). He occasionally experiences gallbladder-hiccups, but has not formed any new stones.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 28, 2012
at 08:38 PM

I'm just hoping it is not Gall Stones.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:37 PM

OH. ha. Good point.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 28, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Agreed. I am adopted a zero tolerance policy regarding gluten a long time ago. I believe I've also heard Robb say something to the effect of being in a state of elevated insulin. I'm a type 1 diabetic. Maybe insulin levels are higher as the insulin is synthetic and requires more than is naturally produced.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 28, 2012
at 08:31 PM

I eat a very paleo strict plus autoimmune protocol diet. My only cheat would be an In n out burger with no cheese or bun or spread and the fries, so I can't rule out that I'm not consuming vegetable oil, but I don't cheat often.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Gallstones take a long time to form, and lots of people don't know they have them. So they were probably already there before the OP started Paleo.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:27 PM

I took this, under her supervision: http://www.herb-pharm.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=242 , as well as some ayurvedic colon support + adrenal support (everything's caused by adrenal fatigue, it seems ;))

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:24 PM

..and how could vegetable oil be a problem if the OP is eating like his name suggests?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:21 PM

That's so interesting because as I mentioned above, this kid who used to go to school with me grew up on a dairy farm and had to have his removed. Presumable he was eating a lot of SFAs, but then again that doesn't rule out the potential that he ate a lot of Mcy-dees and other overt junk.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:20 PM

What did you do to dissolve them, can you list all the things your naturopath recommended? Thanks!

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:14 PM

Wouldn't that not matter if someone's eating paleo anyways?

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:06 PM

+1 for talking outta your ass. Doing it and then admitting to it.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 07:44 PM

anecdotally, freshman year of college I met a kid who grew up on a small dairy farm in upstate NY and had to have his gall bladder removed when he was 16. He said it was because of a high fat diet and he could no longer enjoy the foods of his youth. I don't know if it was grass fed or not.

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8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

on June 28, 2012
at 08:17 PM

I was diagnosed w/ gallstones via ultrasound last year after a series of weird reactions to (mostly) restaurant food. I worked w/ a naturopath to dissolve the stones (dissolving confirmed via ultrasound again) and have linked all my reactions to vegetable oil. I eat lots of natural fat (coconut oil, meat fat, butter) with no problem.

Stones are made of cholesterol, which leads people to think that eating cholesterol will cause them (just like eating fat make you fat, right? ;)). The NIH states that "stones form when bile contains too much cholesterol, too much bilirubin, or not enough bile salts, or when the gallbladder does not empty completely or often enough. The reason these imbalances occur is not known." My anecdotal belief for my own stones is a sluggish liver, which is evidenced (to me) by my complete intolerance for alcohol and caffeine.

There are lots of theories on what causes gallstones, but I don't think it's a high fat diet - in fact, my ND said that she sees a lot of vegan patients w/ gallbladder issues. If you eat NO or very little fat, the stones will collect because the gallbladder's not contracting to push them out - so they sit there and get bigger. Mary Eades mentions this in one of her books - eating fat is necessary to keep the gallbladder functioning.

That said, if you have large gallstones, eating fat could trigger an attack (although Mary Eades claims that coconut oil won't because of how it's processed by the body).

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:20 PM

What did you do to dissolve them, can you list all the things your naturopath recommended? Thanks!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 29, 2012
at 06:51 AM

Thanks! Nice to know.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:27 PM

I took this, under her supervision: http://www.herb-pharm.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=242 , as well as some ayurvedic colon support + adrenal support (everything's caused by adrenal fatigue, it seems ;))

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:47 PM

VB, my husband had gallstones several years ago and was able to get rid of them using olive oil and lemon juice. He consumed only unfiltered apple juice in between drinking the lemon juice/olive oil remedy. Some sites suggest putting peppermint oil in the olive oil to help soothe the stomach and others suggest chopped garlic. His stones were gone (confirmed by ultrasound). He occasionally experiences gallbladder-hiccups, but has not formed any new stones.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on June 28, 2012
at 07:34 PM

Suddenly increasing fat intake could certainly bring on a gallbladder attack because it is trying squeeze out more bile, and that would cause pain as the stones get squeezed.

As for saturated fat causing gall stones I don't follow the logic because I thought bile was synthesized from saturated fat. I'm totally talking outta my ass on this, but would suspect our ol' pal vegetable oil eaten in place of saturated fat would be much more problematic resulting in insufficient bile production.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 28, 2012
at 08:31 PM

I eat a very paleo strict plus autoimmune protocol diet. My only cheat would be an In n out burger with no cheese or bun or spread and the fries, so I can't rule out that I'm not consuming vegetable oil, but I don't cheat often.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:06 PM

+1 for talking outta your ass. Doing it and then admitting to it.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:24 PM

..and how could vegetable oil be a problem if the OP is eating like his name suggests?

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:21 PM

That's so interesting because as I mentioned above, this kid who used to go to school with me grew up on a dairy farm and had to have his removed. Presumable he was eating a lot of SFAs, but then again that doesn't rule out the potential that he ate a lot of Mcy-dees and other overt junk.

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1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

on June 28, 2012
at 09:37 PM

From what I've read and my doctor has told me, folks that have been on low fat diets for long periods usually develop gallstones. When they switch to a higher fat diet, that's when they have issues (and have to get their gallbladder removed at times). So, fat intake alone isn't the the culprit IMO, it's sometimes overall diet related, hereditary or just a fluke when folks have issues. I like that answer better than, "fat causes gallstones", lol, really : )

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Ce26d41695822ec07c3c43ee7431925e

on April 30, 2015
at 07:09 AM

I have done a liver and gall bladder flush first of a planned few, the results were good and I am hoping for better this time. Passed about 20 stones, it did improve my symptoms though,

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74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

on November 29, 2012
at 06:44 PM

I had horrible gallstone symptoms for over ten years that went undiagnosed. When I was in the ER due to appendix pain, I was told after my ultrasound that my gallbladder was FULL of stones. That was my "A-HA!" moment.

I wish I'd known about the gluten connection sooner. I am in fact, intolerant, and I ate a crap ton of pasta when I was a teen (right around when these pains started).

I had my gallbladder taken out about 1.5 months after my appendix in 2010.

I had bloating and nausea after my surgery for a while, still eating mostly paleo. Digestive enzymes helped a lot.

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B9b7a7318d481d0bc4659cc2148ff1f7

on November 29, 2012
at 06:28 PM

I hope that you are well okay at this point. But ultra sounds are not that 100% accurate. If you have these symptoms like flatulence and belching, I suggest that you have this examined again.

Check this site and see the step by step experience. whatisgallstone.com

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on June 28, 2012
at 08:34 PM

From Wiki:

"No clear relationship has been proven between diet and gallstone formation; however, low-fiber, high-cholesterol diets and diets high in starchy foods have been suggested as contributing to gallstone formation[citation needed]. Other nutritional factors that may increase risk of gallstones include rapid weight loss, constipation, eating fewer meals per day, eating less fish, and low intakes of the nutrients folate, magnesium, calcium, and vitamin C.[10] On the other hand, wine and whole-grain bread may decrease the risk of gallstones."

You have a before/after pic as your "gravatar." Could rapid weight loss be a factor? Maybe it's not the only factor, but it could have contributed, as could any of the aforementioned things. Maybe just consider if any of those things above could apply to your scenario, and maybe do some experimentation. It seems like eating a diet high in fat would not be enough alone to cause this issue- it's probably due to a variety of reasons or one reason that is not just eating too much fat.

Also, if you are eating as your name suggests, then some of the other hypotheses suggested (too much vegetable oil, not enough saturated fat, celiacs disease) are just nonsensical.

Best of luck resolving this issue and I hope you figure out what has caused it for you.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:22 PM

I know that many, many people who are gluten intolerant have gall stones. Is there a connection? I hope some day they will do some kind of research on it. I had my gall bladder out, but I wish I would work with a naturopath instead. Surgery is not always the best solution - sometimes it creates other problems.

Good luck!

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 28, 2012
at 08:38 PM

I'm just hoping it is not Gall Stones.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on June 28, 2012
at 10:06 PM

One more thing - my celiac is diagnosed based on elimination diet. All my blood tests came back negative.

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8de9776490016df60d49e03f23d656af

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on June 28, 2012
at 08:08 PM

In his book, Robb Wolf states that gluten sensitivity is actually the culprit when it comes to gallstones--that's actually what convinced me to adopt a completely gluten-free lifestyle (had my gallbladder removed in 2006).

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on June 28, 2012
at 08:37 PM

Agreed. I am adopted a zero tolerance policy regarding gluten a long time ago. I believe I've also heard Robb say something to the effect of being in a state of elevated insulin. I'm a type 1 diabetic. Maybe insulin levels are higher as the insulin is synthetic and requires more than is naturally produced.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:37 PM

OH. ha. Good point.

8d454fc50d6d58643d6f8b0d1e7ea8ea

(2830)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:29 PM

Gallstones take a long time to form, and lots of people don't know they have them. So they were probably already there before the OP started Paleo.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 28, 2012
at 08:14 PM

Wouldn't that not matter if someone's eating paleo anyways?

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4ef079c57d2140bba4dbf4e30240a645

on June 28, 2012
at 07:36 PM

Sorry to hear this Caveman....

I hope that you will be able to get the medical testing you need to know if you have Celiac's. Then again, maybe you are already eating and living as if you do have it, which is a good thing for most all of us anyway!

Good luck

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