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Skinny husband, too much weight loss...

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 17, 2011 at 1:17 PM

My husband is 6' tall and 133-135 lbs... well, he was. We started eating paleo/primal about a month ago, but he's been gluten free for more than 6 months because of autoimmune disease. We weren't eating a huge amount of carbs before, though. When we went gf, weren't eating a lot of gf "crap" because I aimed more for using almonds and coconut flour when baking and mostly used "paleo friendly" recipes, anyway. I've been leaning WAPF for years, but was not completely "on the wagon" so to speak.

The problem is, recently I convinced him cutting back on drinking. He was having 2-4 drinks/night (wine or mixed drinks). That was about two weeks ago. Today, he's down to 129 lbs. The good news is that because I'm drinking less, too (I only seem to drink when he's drinking) I've lost weight - which I needed... he didn't. I would normally assume he was just losing his "skinny fat" but, honestly, to look at him, you can see definition everywhere. Maybe his liver is just becoming healthier and unswelling or something? Is that ridiculous to consider after 10+ years of drinking that way?

Anyway, he's understandably frustrated with the weight loss, so if anyone has good suggestions or explanations, I'm all ears. I obviously don't want him to go back to drinking that much just to keep his weight up because I think that his liver needs a break at best! Thanks :)

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on October 20, 2011
at 10:31 AM

To me 6' 170 is a good size man and I don't get why you'd call it 'skinny', I guess you feel small because there are so many big guys out there your height and over 200 lbs... my father is 6' and was 135-140 lbs his whole life until his 50s - thin yes, but very strong and looked perfectly healthy. I also know a couple boys who are over 6' and less than 130 lbs. *That* is skinny. One looks ill (eats like crap and has a lot of health issues) and the other looks good, if very thin.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 18, 2011
at 10:15 PM

hey sage, this is moderator. nope, not me, I stay away from seafood

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on October 18, 2011
at 05:57 PM

I've seen 6'0 165, and that looks really thin to me.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 09:17 PM

also, he is DEFINITELY a carb craver. Sugar burner does not surprise me in the least. He'd happily eat a box of crackers if that was an option... in fact, a box of saltines used to be his evening snack. Now we've moved on to heartier snacks in the evening, though, for him...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 09:15 PM

he doesn't appear to have any other symptoms of hyperthyroidism aside from the difficulty gaining weight.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 09:12 PM

I don't think he's been tested for hyperthyroidism? He was tested for a lot of things when trying to tease out this autoimmune issue last january, but I don't think hyperthyroid was on the list. However... presumably a better diet would help him even out his hormones and may balance they hyper thyroid stuff out. I'll look into hyperthyroid symptoms to see if he has any of the others. Great post, thanks!

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on October 17, 2011
at 07:56 PM

@Moderator- are you the guy that was gonna eat nothing but scallops and one other food for some period of time...i can't find that post. just wondering how it all went?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 07:14 PM

I liked this idea, too... I'll mention it to him again, and I hadn't heard of GOMAD... we'll look into it. thanks!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Cliff. I'm 23 and have an awkward, skinny, tall body. If I eat a ton consistently, I will put a little more size on my body, but it's only a little. Since just eating when I'm hungry, my body has shrunk, gotten more defined, attractive, rounder and bigger muscles, though my weight has gone down a little. It's obvious that eating a bunch of "calories" (which are units of burning material, our bodies don't burn food, it digests it) will temporarily make me bigger, but it's limited, and eating just what I need, seems to promote my body to grow in an attractive way. You're wrong.

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

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on October 17, 2011
at 06:42 PM

cliff, you are not underweight, please do not give advice based on what you heard. my grandma heard lots of things too. leave it for truly underweight people to recommend what worked for them.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 06:37 PM

because I've seen and heard from a lot of people who can't gain weight even though they eat so much bit, and everytime it comes down to them not eating enough food to gain more weight, not some voodoo gut healing bs. I personally have to eat 6000 calories and I'm not a marathon runner or anything, I'm 6'2" 175, THERE ARE A LOT OF GUYS LIKE US AND I DON'T THINK IT COMES DOWN TO POOR CALORIE/NUTRIENT ABSORPTION.

8ea84667a7f11ac3967f2ecfcad28ad8

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on October 17, 2011
at 05:35 PM

White rice is fine.

1586db0f16b2cef51ee4e71ab08ad1a2

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on October 17, 2011
at 05:29 PM

6'1 170lbs isn't terribly skinny.

6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on October 17, 2011
at 05:00 PM

"when he worked out he only gained definition" Isn't this the point? If he works out and gain definition is he not gaining mass? I'd rather gain ten pounds of muscle than fat.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Its extremely easy to overestimate calories especially if your only eating whole foods.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Thanks for the downvote, why would you downvote Cliff?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:28 PM

....I never ate enough??? Sorry, I've never even been around another person who can eat as much as me. I didn't realize until Paleo that I could eat so much because my body wasn't collecting any nutrients from food.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:26 PM

You probably never ate enough, if you weren't absorbing stuff you would be having some gnarly poo's

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:20 PM

I agree! Skinny people ahve it the worst. Much worse than fat people. Skinny people must have destoryed villi lining in the intestintints becasue they can eat and eat and eat and not gain a single pound, I know because I'm one. It's crazy how actually those fat poeple complaining are actually the healthy ones. I'd love to be fat.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Rice isn't good

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:18 PM

He definitely eats beans, we eat winter squash fairly frequently. I should try spaghetti squash with meatballs one of these days...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:09 PM

I should say his doc said he was, you know, after weighing him with his clothes and shoes on...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:08 PM

this is my feeling, too.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:08 PM

yeah, as I've said, he is eating some grains, though he's gluten intolerant. we didn't cut back that far specifically b/c of his weight. he's also not that into specific diets, really, so when he's out he eats what he wants (though gf.)

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 03:59 PM

He is technically within his BMI range, though at the very bottom. For the most part he is healthy except for the autoimmune disease I mentioned before which the loss of gluten and intake of absurd amounts of fish oil daily has under control... he rarely gets sick, however. I'd say he's middle of the road on energy - not overly high energy, but not overly low and sluggish, either. Probably more energy than your avg american.

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:57 PM

There are those people who are just super catabolic....if he's been this way for over ten years I'd guess that he's one of em and just needs to eat a TON.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:48 PM

I'll have him start doing fit-day or whatever. I'm not with him most of the day, I'm going by what he tells me. You may be right. I'll definitely bring it up with him to be more careful on determining exactly what he's eating. However, when he WAS counting calories and working out he was up at like 4000 calories a day and only gaining definition :-/ Granted this was nearly 10 yrs ago...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:46 PM

he was eating whole milk yogurt for breakfast daily but started getting bowel issues. My guess is daily milk would do the same thing. He can't do cream because he has trouble with it. :-/ I realize it has the insulin promoters in it, but having him get the runs seems like it counteracts the effect, no?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:45 PM

(and normally we have potatoes with that meal... we just didn't that time)

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:44 PM

he ate like half the (4 lb) chicken, though... I mean, that's gotta be worth something...

3846a3b61bc9051e4baebdef62e58c52

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:44 PM

If he eats that amount and does not have a super labor intensive job still losing weight I'd get some blood tests done

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:19 PM

@Juvysen - If he can tolerate whole milk, or heavy cream, that might be worth adding into the diet. If you can get it raw where you live, even better.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Whats wrong with regular whole fat milk?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:08 PM

whats a typical day in food? I doubt he's actually eating 3500+ if he's only 129lbs

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:07 PM

@Juvysen: Beets, carrots and sprouts are all low in calories and carbs. Even with sweet potatoes you need to eat a lot of them to get a lot of calories.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:53 PM

not well. He does ok with regular milk/yogurt occasionally but gets bowel trouble when he has anything like sour cream. We keep it to a minimum b/c of that. I might be able to talk him into drinking goat milk, but it's very expensive. :-/

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:40 PM

Why the downvote? @Juvysen - does your husband tolerate milk?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:35 PM

come to think of it he eats a couple bananas and a pear or apple every day, too... along with several hard boiled eggs and has a couple or three eggs for breakfast (not sure)... I think he's also eating "gluten free" granola bars at work and tons of almonds...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:33 PM

he eats like 3500+ calories a day. Without going into junk protein powders I'm nor sure how to cram more into him. I mean he's *always* been this thin, and even when working out and taking the protein powders he got only more definition, not more bulk. His brother was successful in bulking up, but even with his brother's guidance it hasn't worked?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:30 PM

No, he's not lifting weights, though I'm trying to encourage him to fit it in. He eats a fair amount of paleo "approved" carbs and even some not-so-paleo approved carbs like rice and whatnot. Even when we were eating tons of pasta and stuff he never gained weight. I was sort of hoping paleo would help him with that.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:27 PM

unfortunately b/c of his weight we didn't really cut that stuff out too much. For instance, last night we had a roasted chicken with roasted beets, sweet potatoes, carrots and brussel sprouts... I mean, most of those are more carb-rich veggies, you know?

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1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on October 17, 2011
at 03:34 PM

He needs to FIX his digestion. Overfeeding may actually make it worth. He needs to experiment to see which foods digest the easiest and stick with those. I was in the same boat. Fruits did not help. I would limit fruits to no more than one-two per day. I discovered that raw fatty meat digested super fast for me. After about an hour I would start getting hungry feeling. When I eat the same meat cooked I would not be hungry for 4-5 hours. I was able to slowly gain 15 lb which put me back (barely) into "normal" BMI range. Now I eat mostly nutrient concentrated food like fatty meat and all the organs I can get (some raw some cooked), butter, some potatoes, and occasionally small ocean fish like anchovy which I eat whole either raw or cooked. I do not believe in "fast metabolism" or "super catabolic" or similar nonsense. Skinny people are skinny because their digestion is inefficient/broken or there are some other metabolic processes out of balance. Remember that digestion is very complex process involving stomach, liver, pancreas, bile, intestine. All of them must be working properly.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:08 PM

this is my feeling, too.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:20 PM

I agree! Skinny people ahve it the worst. Much worse than fat people. Skinny people must have destoryed villi lining in the intestintints becasue they can eat and eat and eat and not gain a single pound, I know because I'm one. It's crazy how actually those fat poeple complaining are actually the healthy ones. I'd love to be fat.

B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

(10255)

on October 17, 2011
at 07:56 PM

@Moderator- are you the guy that was gonna eat nothing but scallops and one other food for some period of time...i can't find that post. just wondering how it all went?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 18, 2011
at 10:15 PM

hey sage, this is moderator. nope, not me, I stay away from seafood

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on October 17, 2011
at 04:23 PM

There is no answer here. I am a tall, skinny individual 23 year old male who has gained definition from Paleo, but have lost a little weight over all. I'm 6'1, 170 pounds, and am a person who can eat tons of food and not gain anything in size. Cutting to the conclusion, it's a non-absorbant digestive system that makes me underdeveloped, and adding more carbs isn't the answer. Time will just have to heal my gut before I can gain weight. The best course of action is to be strict Paleo and just eat when you are hungry and don't force feed yourself to gain weight. I've been force feeding myself for my entire life and have never gotten fat, so I'm glad I don't think that's an answer anymore. I know what's it's like to be a skinny guy, just like fat girls know about each other which I will never fully understand. So respect what we skinny guys go through!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:28 PM

....I never ate enough??? Sorry, I've never even been around another person who can eat as much as me. I didn't realize until Paleo that I could eat so much because my body wasn't collecting any nutrients from food.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:26 PM

You probably never ate enough, if you weren't absorbing stuff you would be having some gnarly poo's

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 17, 2011
at 06:37 PM

because I've seen and heard from a lot of people who can't gain weight even though they eat so much bit, and everytime it comes down to them not eating enough food to gain more weight, not some voodoo gut healing bs. I personally have to eat 6000 calories and I'm not a marathon runner or anything, I'm 6'2" 175, THERE ARE A LOT OF GUYS LIKE US AND I DON'T THINK IT COMES DOWN TO POOR CALORIE/NUTRIENT ABSORPTION.

1bc18852894dad9d6dddfb3dfed49ab3

(341)

on October 17, 2011
at 06:42 PM

cliff, you are not underweight, please do not give advice based on what you heard. my grandma heard lots of things too. leave it for truly underweight people to recommend what worked for them.

1586db0f16b2cef51ee4e71ab08ad1a2

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on October 17, 2011
at 05:29 PM

6'1 170lbs isn't terribly skinny.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Thanks for the downvote, why would you downvote Cliff?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on October 17, 2011
at 07:01 PM

Cliff. I'm 23 and have an awkward, skinny, tall body. If I eat a ton consistently, I will put a little more size on my body, but it's only a little. Since just eating when I'm hungry, my body has shrunk, gotten more defined, attractive, rounder and bigger muscles, though my weight has gone down a little. It's obvious that eating a bunch of "calories" (which are units of burning material, our bodies don't burn food, it digests it) will temporarily make me bigger, but it's limited, and eating just what I need, seems to promote my body to grow in an attractive way. You're wrong.

07ca188c8dac3a17f629dd87198d2098

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on October 18, 2011
at 05:57 PM

I've seen 6'0 165, and that looks really thin to me.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on October 20, 2011
at 10:31 AM

To me 6' 170 is a good size man and I don't get why you'd call it 'skinny', I guess you feel small because there are so many big guys out there your height and over 200 lbs... my father is 6' and was 135-140 lbs his whole life until his 50s - thin yes, but very strong and looked perfectly healthy. I also know a couple boys who are over 6' and less than 130 lbs. *That* is skinny. One looks ill (eats like crap and has a lot of health issues) and the other looks good, if very thin.

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1586db0f16b2cef51ee4e71ab08ad1a2

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on October 17, 2011
at 05:38 PM

Why not try cutting out the beans and grains altogether? He may be suffering from inflammation by eating these foods, which could explain his inability to gain weight (through a broken digestion). Eat cleaner, carb/fat/protein heavy foods and allow him to heal hit gut.

Look into supplementing with NOW's Super Enzymes. This will help him break down and absorb some of the food, rather than it pass through his digestion unchecked.

Also, see if there are any other missed allergies he hasn't discovered. Milk/casein? Nuts? Has he been tested?

I'm a fairly skinny guy and have trouble putting on/keeping on weight in general. I hold about 150lbs at 6'2" right now, which is a 19.5 BMI ("normal"), even though I want to gain more. Lifting heavy things has been the most important aspect of my gaining, though.

Your husband likely has very little muscle and bone density. He really needs to put his body under stress and give it a chance to grow. No amount of eating will change that.

If he handles milk alright, consider putting him on the GOMAD diet (http://stronglifts.com/gomad-milk-squats-gallon-gain-weight/) for a short stint while he begins lifting. I know it's a lot for some (and I have never done it), but getting his weight up is the first step to stabilizing a healthy lean body mass. I've heard this method works well for "hard gainers".

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 07:14 PM

I liked this idea, too... I'll mention it to him again, and I hadn't heard of GOMAD... we'll look into it. thanks!

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on October 17, 2011
at 08:49 PM

A) Has he been tested for hyperthyroidism?

B) I don't know if this applies to him, but I was just reading about thin people actually being able to put on weight by building bone and muscle mass with carb restriction in Life Without Bread (page 143-146).

According to the book, it is normal for thin people to lose even more weight when they first restrict carbs (so no panicking yet), but over the course of a year or two they will build mass in "all the right places".

Apparently, both the overweight and the underweight have issues with fat metabolism, and get locked into using carbs for energy, and have to eat really often to maintain energy. Does he have hypoglycemia issues? Craving 4 drinks could just be habit, but if he's wanting mixed drinks that makes me think he's definitely a sugar burner. I don't know what the "under the hood" effects were, but I knew a number of "string beans" who lived on Coke, M&Ms, and boxed mac'n'cheese in college, and they couldn't seem to put on an ounce even when they tried. So, carbs may or may not help him bulk up. I'm starting to think that low carb may be a "normalizing" diet for both overweight and underweight people, it just takes some time.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 09:12 PM

I don't think he's been tested for hyperthyroidism? He was tested for a lot of things when trying to tease out this autoimmune issue last january, but I don't think hyperthyroid was on the list. However... presumably a better diet would help him even out his hormones and may balance they hyper thyroid stuff out. I'll look into hyperthyroid symptoms to see if he has any of the others. Great post, thanks!

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 09:17 PM

also, he is DEFINITELY a carb craver. Sugar burner does not surprise me in the least. He'd happily eat a box of crackers if that was an option... in fact, a box of saltines used to be his evening snack. Now we've moved on to heartier snacks in the evening, though, for him...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 09:15 PM

he doesn't appear to have any other symptoms of hyperthyroidism aside from the difficulty gaining weight.

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Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:24 PM

I wouldn't get too concerned over a four to six-pound weight loss just yet, especially after only one month. My own weight easily varies within about a five-pound range, which I can usually ascribe to how hydrated I am. Is he weighing himself at the same time of day he did before, after the same circumstances (e.g. working out, just getting out of bed, etc), or is this a once-every-few-days sort of thing?

Is your husband lifting heavy weights? You can also consider adding more safe carbs into his diet if he can take them (i.e. sweet potatoes), and still "be paleo".

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:40 PM

Why the downvote? @Juvysen - does your husband tolerate milk?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:30 PM

No, he's not lifting weights, though I'm trying to encourage him to fit it in. He eats a fair amount of paleo "approved" carbs and even some not-so-paleo approved carbs like rice and whatnot. Even when we were eating tons of pasta and stuff he never gained weight. I was sort of hoping paleo would help him with that.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:53 PM

not well. He does ok with regular milk/yogurt occasionally but gets bowel trouble when he has anything like sour cream. We keep it to a minimum b/c of that. I might be able to talk him into drinking goat milk, but it's very expensive. :-/

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:09 PM

Whats wrong with regular whole fat milk?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:46 PM

he was eating whole milk yogurt for breakfast daily but started getting bowel issues. My guess is daily milk would do the same thing. He can't do cream because he has trouble with it. :-/ I realize it has the insulin promoters in it, but having him get the runs seems like it counteracts the effect, no?

Da8e709acde269e8b8bfbc09d1737841

(1906)

on October 17, 2011
at 02:19 PM

@Juvysen - If he can tolerate whole milk, or heavy cream, that might be worth adding into the diet. If you can get it raw where you live, even better.

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on October 18, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Your husband needs to eat more food, and a lot more dense carbs. Load up on potatoes. And tell him to lift heavy while eating to support muscle growth (plenty of protein, extra calories). Weight training is really the only thing that allows me to bulk.

Metabolically healthy people have weight set points that are often very hard to deviate from, since their appetite and metabolism is primed to maintain that homeostasis. Especially if you are young. If you are in otherwise good health and can build strength, I don't think having a very low set point is a sign of ill health at all. Unintentional weight loss is very much a problem for an already skinny person, of course. LC diets will cause this for many even with high calorie intake.

As a healthy (thanks to paleo) hardgainer (BMI 16-17 depending on how much strength training I'm doing), I don't think my digestive system is lacking in an ability to utilize the food I eat. I do think I burn off an extraordinary amount of calories through my brown fat (I am like a furnace and my skin gets hotter the more I eat), and fidgeting/daily movement. I never stop moving, clenching muscles, etc and I am always using more than necessary force and speed, for every task. I also find it easy to build strength, and am stronger than many women 50+ lbs heavier than I; but bulking is very difficult.

Also, it's genetic. My dad is tiny and wiry like me, and my sisters are also very small-framed and thin even with the influence of my mom's side (sturdy peasant stock). We may be small but we all have toned, strong muscles and build strength easily. We are fast, light on our feet, and good at distance running. These things carry an advantage in many situations, evolutionarily speaking...

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on October 17, 2011
at 03:34 PM

One thing I'd like to mention is that weight is a -bell curve-. If he's generally healthy, has lots of energy, doesn't get sick easily, and can 90% or better of the things he wants to do during a given day, then maybe he's just at the low end of that bell curve.

If that ISN'T the case, and he's feeling tired, weak, and poorly, I'd go in a different direction here and recommend that he eat more -fats-. Butter, lard, tallow, bacon, coconut oil, avocados -- good sources of healthy fats, and a concentrated form of calories that should help him to maintain his weight.

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:09 PM

I should say his doc said he was, you know, after weighing him with his clothes and shoes on...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

(110)

on October 17, 2011
at 03:59 PM

He is technically within his BMI range, though at the very bottom. For the most part he is healthy except for the autoimmune disease I mentioned before which the loss of gluten and intake of absurd amounts of fish oil daily has under control... he rarely gets sick, however. I'd say he's middle of the road on energy - not overly high energy, but not overly low and sluggish, either. Probably more energy than your avg american.

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Just throw back in some good carbs such as sweet potato, rice, pumpkin, or fruit.

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:07 PM

@Juvysen: Beets, carrots and sprouts are all low in calories and carbs. Even with sweet potatoes you need to eat a lot of them to get a lot of calories.

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on October 17, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Rice isn't good

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

(110)

on October 17, 2011
at 01:35 PM

come to think of it he eats a couple bananas and a pear or apple every day, too... along with several hard boiled eggs and has a couple or three eggs for breakfast (not sure)... I think he's also eating "gluten free" granola bars at work and tons of almonds...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:45 PM

(and normally we have potatoes with that meal... we just didn't that time)

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on October 17, 2011
at 05:35 PM

White rice is fine.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:44 PM

he ate like half the (4 lb) chicken, though... I mean, that's gotta be worth something...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:27 PM

unfortunately b/c of his weight we didn't really cut that stuff out too much. For instance, last night we had a roasted chicken with roasted beets, sweet potatoes, carrots and brussel sprouts... I mean, most of those are more carb-rich veggies, you know?

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on October 17, 2011
at 03:35 PM

6 ft tall and 129 lbs is too thin, leaves him clinically underwt at a body mass index of only 17.5:

http://1.usa.gov/peTwcP

At that low weight to height ratio, reserves are too thin to fight infections effectively. People are more susceptible, get sick more often, and have higher risks for all sorts of health problems. Almost as bad as the other end of spectrum, being overweight or obese, for health risks. So he is too thin for sure, and ought to reverse it.

If he's avoiding carbs and eating loads more protein (ratio) then this will further interfere with weight gain. If he's eating 3500 kcal and it's mostly proteins/fats, then he will have trouble putting on weight. Carbs do have an important role for humans. We need some padding around organs at least, literally, and we use extra carbs we eat to convert to fats for that purpose.

If he feels ok including a few grains, tolerates them ok, I'd say allow some back in. Raw dairy if available is a great idea too. Lots of healthy fats, oils, and veggie carbs should help - pumpkin, spaghetti squash, winter squashes all sorts; lentils? beans?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

(110)

on October 17, 2011
at 04:18 PM

He definitely eats beans, we eat winter squash fairly frequently. I should try spaghetti squash with meatballs one of these days...

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

(110)

on October 17, 2011
at 04:08 PM

yeah, as I've said, he is eating some grains, though he's gluten intolerant. we didn't cut back that far specifically b/c of his weight. he's also not that into specific diets, really, so when he's out he eats what he wants (though gf.)

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:25 PM

he needs to eat more food from every macronutrient, fruits, tubers, dairy if he can tolerate it(especially full fat milk), Lots of super tasty high reward meals(think fat+carbs+salt).

he's wasting away at that weight, he needs some massive overfeeds.

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 01:33 PM

he eats like 3500+ calories a day. Without going into junk protein powders I'm nor sure how to cram more into him. I mean he's *always* been this thin, and even when working out and taking the protein powders he got only more definition, not more bulk. His brother was successful in bulking up, but even with his brother's guidance it hasn't worked?

5f60feb1ee050976f09f0282ead7ea3f

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on October 17, 2011
at 02:48 PM

I'll have him start doing fit-day or whatever. I'm not with him most of the day, I'm going by what he tells me. You may be right. I'll definitely bring it up with him to be more careful on determining exactly what he's eating. However, when he WAS counting calories and working out he was up at like 4000 calories a day and only gaining definition :-/ Granted this was nearly 10 yrs ago...

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(18635)

on October 17, 2011
at 02:44 PM

If he eats that amount and does not have a super labor intensive job still losing weight I'd get some blood tests done

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(18635)

on October 17, 2011
at 02:57 PM

There are those people who are just super catabolic....if he's been this way for over ten years I'd guess that he's one of em and just needs to eat a TON.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on October 17, 2011
at 02:08 PM

whats a typical day in food? I doubt he's actually eating 3500+ if he's only 129lbs

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(12857)

on October 17, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Its extremely easy to overestimate calories especially if your only eating whole foods.

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on October 17, 2011
at 05:00 PM

"when he worked out he only gained definition" Isn't this the point? If he works out and gain definition is he not gaining mass? I'd rather gain ten pounds of muscle than fat.

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