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What do you hate most about Paleo / Paleohacks?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 17, 2013 at 6:00 PM

More than anything else I hate its emphasis on weight loss. Every question involves some aspect of weight loss, as though losing weight = becoming healthy. I would happily trade all my health woes for being overweight, at least then I could do something about it, I honestly don't even think losing weight is that hard.

I hate how little it's done for me. I honestly feel maybe slightly better having quit grains and eating a more paleo style diet. My skin is still bad, I still have dark circles, I am still always exhausted, I still have crap hair.

I hate its myopia. Most people experiencing benefits from dropping carbs then go and tell everyone how great it is, even though long term it's terrible. People like Mark Sisson advocating a weight loss regime under a niche basically. Notice his 'before and after friday uplifting posts' are all about people who've lost masses of weight by switching from drinking 10 dr peppers a day and eating endless big mac meals to then suddenly eating low carb 'paleo' diet of eggs and bacon and lose loads of weight, ergo this is the most super healthy way to eat

I hate its excessive love of bacon. What exactly is so healthy about bacon? this one more than any other makes me think this diet is just a repackaged atkins.

I hate how food has taken over my life and done nothing good for me. I resent others who've found their panacea through diet. I resent people who just wake up feeling and looking good, not thinking about this shit, just living their fucking lives.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 21, 2013
at 10:58 PM

And this is the kind of hysterical response she was referring to... your cousin proves nothing. If you want to be an anti-vaccine crusader, that's all fine and well, but A. This is not a vaccine forum and B. back it up with some science, not a family anecdote.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 20, 2013
at 07:58 PM

The carb wars may be better here, but there are other forums where very low carb or zero carb is praised mostly. I personally don't eat rice or potatoes. I think to outsiders it must be confusing that there is so many differences in paleo. My friend recently read about it and said "It is not for me! I read online that Paleo is high fat, meat and low carb and that this is anti hair" (she suffers from hair loss). It then had to explain to her that it is not necessarily like that. So at least labeling it as "low carb high fat" lchf Paleo in articles like that would help.

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on March 20, 2013
at 07:39 PM

'It's the relaxing part that most people are missing' - agreed

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on March 20, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Get yourself a Pinterest page! I have boards dedicated to paleo articles, paleo blogs, and paleo recipes. I find lots of great info from those I follow too.

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on March 20, 2013
at 04:43 PM

Re: 1, I think the carb wars have been over for a long, long time. Re: 7, I see "Oh, it's N=1..." used as an excuse not to back up an argument sometimes. Re: the closing statement, it **can** all be called just *paleo* if it fits into an evolution based reason for why it puts or removes or limits something in the diet. No, that doesn't make rice idelogically paleo, but knowing what we know of rice, those that aren't V/LC can choose to incorporate it, for e.g. (Personally, I don't - lots of roots and tubers to choose from.)

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on March 20, 2013
at 04:39 PM

Man, the top answers here really knock it out of the park (I was about to give up on it completely). My spin off this one is "You can cure any medical condition with some particular food/supplement". Nice to see some normal people.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 20, 2013
at 04:39 PM

@Zombers concrete is not on the paleo diet, you should lose your taste for it ;-)

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 20, 2013
at 04:27 PM

My thyroid went back to normal etc. my skin also improved, although it is not crystal clear yet. I am planning to detox other possible problems too. I was never big on supplements but these really did help. Not sure if it is for you, but I thought I'd share.

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

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on March 20, 2013
at 04:25 PM

Your problems seem very much like the ones I have/ had. If you would like, maybe my experience will help you. I was also fed up with how little I improved. I later noticed I had two problems 1. Low carb was not for me, or not just yet. 2. I was not absorbing food well and detoxing on my own. I looked like a walking underweight toxins. I also had dark circles, acne and hair loss. I felt better immediately when I raised my carbs from 20-60g to 140-170g a day. Many of my problems subsided. I started a detox with herbs and i gained weight, my liver problems and dark circles resolved,...tbc

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 20, 2013
at 11:48 AM

The only thing sillier than thinking that an alternative diet/lifestyle should be run like Mordor with one diet to rule them all is justifying that position by quoting ancient Greek philosophers out of context. I think Plato and Aristotle are rolling over in their graves. PS - I don't know where you went to public school, but I sure never learned philosophy in mine. I had to pick that up myself. Your condescension is amusing, though. Thanks for playing!

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on March 20, 2013
at 02:03 AM

super! :) well said!

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on March 19, 2013
at 06:27 PM

Sometimes it makes me think back to my raw vegan days. I was a health disaster but my skin was good. Talk about eating disorder back than.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on March 19, 2013
at 06:25 PM

I feel for you. I'm 17,eating better than 99.9% of my peers. Never cheat. Have bought enough supplements to build the Great Wall of China, twice! Acne combined with seb dern and extremely dry skin. I'm frustrated.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on March 19, 2013
at 06:22 PM

But its fine, " just get your damn vaccine" right?!

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on March 19, 2013
at 06:21 PM

Hold up. Anti-vaccine crusaders? Read the ingredients. Would you put that in a newborns body? Secondly, my sister who is in elementry school was sent home a form for the hpv vaccine. First of all, when are 12 year olds getting hpv? Secondly, the form did not require parental consent. 12 YEAR OLDs get to decide what they put in their bodies from their big brother-the government. So much wrong going on here. Also I have a cousin to prove vaccines result in autism and many tests to confirm it. Don't be so blatent in your statements!

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on March 19, 2013
at 01:17 AM

How is my mistake concerning legumes related to any of your points (many of which are very arguable)? It seems that on one hand you are keen to demonstrate the disdain you have for 'common fallacies' etc but on the other seem keen to obfuscate the issues at hand by yourself throwing out an ad hominem. If you're unwilling to answer my question, that's fine, it reflects more on you than it does me.

370751438907115abacc67f4466b398d

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on March 19, 2013
at 12:30 AM

Well of course but it just makes it so confusing! Some say low carb, some say dont care about carbs, some say safe starches no fruit, some say you can eat butter/dairy products and honey and all that, etc etc. Just confuses me. Not concrete enough for my taste lol!

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on March 19, 2013
at 12:23 AM

Must I repeat Plato and Aristotle as regards what is true and what is contingent? That was only settled 2,400 years ago. Public school education, Varelse. As for Michael, on another thread you said cashews are a legume. Go play with someone else.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 19, 2013
at 12:20 AM

Must I repeat Plato and Aristotle as regards what is true and what is contingent? That was only settled 2,500 years ago. Public school education, Varelse. As for Michael, on another thread you said cashews are a legume. Go play with someone else.

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on March 19, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Oh man. Spot. On.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 18, 2013
at 10:09 PM

We all say something different because everyone is different. :-)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 18, 2013
at 10:09 PM

There's a lot of people who went paleo who thought that they felt just fine while eating pizza and ice cream. Then they stopped in realize that that wasn't how they were supposed to feel. A lot of people think that bloating gas obesity and all that jazz is normal. Never felt better so they don't realize they can.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 18, 2013
at 10:07 PM

O excuse me. I completely misunderstood that you wanted a diet/lifestyle to be run in a governmental fashion. If that's what you're after, let me tell you about something called the FDA. (Sarcasm) But seriously, who is the absolute truth on the diet that everyone should eat? Should be all be in ketosis or should we all eat dairy because some guru decided that's the best way for everyone? There is no 1 size fits all.

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on March 18, 2013
at 07:59 PM

Love this comment :)

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

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on March 18, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Paleo is kinda low carb compared to a mc donalds diet though... It's probably pretty moderate compared to atkins or something I suppose

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on March 18, 2013
at 07:13 PM

Preach it!!!!!!

D8612a7c536e74f9855b70d8e97919b5

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on March 18, 2013
at 06:56 PM

There have actually been a lot of MDA success stories recently of people who have not lost or actually gained weight. But in all cases health and happiness were increased (I agree that long-term low carb is not appropriate for all).

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on March 18, 2013
at 06:55 PM

@Travis: Any sources for linoleic acid ingestion being good for acne? I've had more "breakouts" and dandruff than usualy lately. Some of it can be attributed to dry weather, but I do try to minimize o-6 intake per recommendations of most Paleo/Primal gurus.

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on March 18, 2013
at 06:02 PM

Don't be a hate-r!

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on March 18, 2013
at 04:37 PM

Fair points but if you feel and look good eating pizza and ice cream then what's the problem? If I felt and looked good eating that stuff I'd never have even heard of paleo, I'd be too busy enjoying my life!

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on March 18, 2013
at 02:37 PM

But for the most part my experience on this forum has been very positive :)

0f88641fb8088d0cdd1b5ef810b2d0a4

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:59 PM

"I hate that I'll never stop wanting Nutella cheesecake and Snickers bars and ice cream (seriously, people who say that their cravings go away after x amount of months are mysterious to me - I strongly suspect most of them are lying) and now I'm going to feel crippling guilt about it for the rest of my life. I used to have such a healthy relationship with food but Paleo just feeds right into my addictive/ocd personality and now I'm so insane about it haha." YES. Every sentence is so true.

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:46 PM

*Also, I wish I were part gecko. I would totally tell everyone if I were. (/thread hijack)

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:43 PM

CD- Right. When someone has diabetes, their experience is going to be incredibly different from mine (insulin sensitivity, normal blood sugar, but bad intolerance to gluten). I started eating more paleo BECAUSE I have dysfunctional reactions to foods, not because it's normal.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:13 PM

Yeah, I think so, too. I mean, we talk about eggs as being quite nutrient dense--especially the yolks. I think those coupled with some organic dairy/raw-grass-fed/whatever would probably be fine. (Sure, with seafood even better.) Legumes---meh. Probably not AS good, but certainly a way to get variety if someone isn't eating meat. Isn't paleo about what bad things are avoided, not that everyone has to include all paleo foods in their diets? Unless you believe everyone should be getting 150g+ protein daily (I don't), then I don't see a problem.

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:11 PM

For clarification, there is no problem with anyone who has those afflictions from answering questions. In fact it is one of the things I like about this site, plenty of diverse thought. The problem is if you say, "Cut off you arm, I did and mine grew back." Without saying, "Oh yeah and I am part gecko", Others do not get the benefit of the context of your comment.

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:06 PM

Sugar isn't a bogeyman, but man - I have to tell you that when I'm avoiding it in its packaged form I do.not.binge. Period. My head swims with all the science behind it (I try, I really do), but all I know is when I do eat without it, my whole body is happier. I am happier. It's just the truth - for me.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 18, 2013
at 11:49 AM

I agree that vegetarian paleo is not something that should be dismissed so readily. Eggs and dairy are pretty damn good overall, probably better with a little fish/seafood. A little worse adding in legumes, but still, smarter than your average bear.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 18, 2013
at 11:47 AM

Coffee? It's a mixed bag, justifiable either way really. *sips 6th cup in the last 3 hours*

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 18, 2013
at 11:46 AM

People boast about beating the cravings to make themselves feel better over us normies who still think cheesecake and ice cream are delicious. They're fooling themselves and we're in the right!

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on March 18, 2013
at 10:59 AM

Where did you feel I mischaracterised your position(s)?

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 18, 2013
at 03:36 AM

@Michael: Please stop with the strawmen.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 18, 2013
at 03:35 AM

@Varelse: Not interested in democracy here, but aristocracy. Not one single author could write a complete manual (countless thousands of pages, no doubt.) And also update on a continuous basis. Ergo, a collaborative effort.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 18, 2013
at 02:55 AM

I decided to change my name to something that more accurately reflects my nature and my science fiction obsession, rather than on my name that gets me accused of being Irish. I figured Saint Patrick's Day was the perfect opportunity. :) I did just start noticing that it is typed with the left hand only, except for 1 letter. I guess that does make it rough.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 18, 2013
at 02:48 AM

Yeah, Paleo is not a democracy.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

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on March 18, 2013
at 01:52 AM

This 'conclusive settlement' you speak of is like reaching nirvana isn't it. Tell me where to sign... Until that becomes available I can be happy enough as is. A lot of your points don't seem to accurtaely reflect what's happening anyway, arguably.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:23 AM

On your first point.... I struggle with people who answer questions without qualifying their personal afflictions. After looking through their other answers you see they have type 2 diabetes, IBS, rare genetic disorders, mutant healing power, etc....

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on March 18, 2013
at 12:04 AM

I must have been angry when I typed this haha, don't usually make that mistake!

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on March 17, 2013
at 11:59 PM

Yes, Varelse (Luckie was sooo much easier to type!), HB is clearly just ranting, but in the wrong place. Sounds like a mental health professional is needed here. HB, you may have gotten the short end of the stick genetically. Why hate those that can just live their lives? Sounds like your hate is misplaced. A time machine may be in order here.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 10:19 PM

HERESY! But yes, binging and eating disorders ARE a problem, no matter how they're expressed, or justified.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 10:18 PM

Meh, Jessica is the same person who said that there have been no studies regarding no-poo no-soap, but then says that soap and shampoo are horribly damaging in every way from physically to psychologically. How on earth you'd know that they're damaging if there has been zero scientific research is beyond my powers of logic. Another n=1=absolute proof believer.

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:32 PM

Thank you for the confession about the cravings! I feel so much better knowing I'm not the only one strong enough to move on completely.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:15 PM

'(lower your carbs?), you liver will thank you' Maybe you should read threads before you comment on them?

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:14 PM

jessica: That's exactly the sort of terrible advice that results in the EFA deficiency this person is exhibiting.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:14 PM

Oh, eating disorders, I forgot the constant stream of ED folks who refuse treatment because paleo is obviously so much healthier than any treatment diet when they're really just substituting one dysfunctional restriction for a slightly more functional (yet dysfunctional) dietary restriction.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:13 PM

This, very much this. I think it's a good idea to try hardcore paleo for a month or two in your early paleo "career," but suggesting one should do it for eternity is not necessary or even advisable for 99.99999% of people.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:10 PM

I agree to a point, ketogenic low carbohydrate is a terrible blanket recommendation. A 30ish% carbohydrate recommendation would cover just about everybody, save a few athletes.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:09 PM

On second thought, I guess it's a good thing I did...

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:09 PM

greymouser, I hate you. I wish I didn't read that.

2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:08 PM

hate is indicative of liver issues..........might want to look into that, UP the raw egg yolks, cut out any nuts/veggie/olive oils and add more animal based fats....(lower your carbs?), you liver will thank you

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on March 17, 2013
at 09:08 PM

I'd rather have them adopt paleo than Atkins or veganism, for example. But some seem to think paleo itself is a panacea, and don't bother to - or know how to - fix their binging and underlying reasons for it. If you switch from binging on chocolate chip cookies to gorging on nuts and bacon, you're not any better off. Yes, I said something possibly negative about bacon - bring on the pitch forks :)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:34 PM

Please see above for the already discussed response of oral sex and STDs. And as for the porn, I think we've already discussed how not everyone who watches it now and then has an addiction to it. Some people can manage not to binge on carbs OR porn. Like Matt said, dysfunction is NOT normal.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:31 PM

Love the first point. Dysfunction is not normal. Same with those who think that everyone should avoid carbs, saying that it leads to insane cravings just because they can't put down the fork. Lots of people manage to eat normal servings of all sorts of foods without a problem. Binging is not a normal reaction to eating carbohydrate heavy foods.

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:29 PM

Varelse/Luckie - watching porn is not a moral issue. People need to know the consequences of watching though. And it does rewire your brain. And STDs can be transmitted through oral sex. This does not mean that people should not have oral sex. It just that you have the right to know, just like with everything else. The more we know, the better you can protect yourself.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:04 PM

Most definitely agreed - the act itself doesn't cause the disease.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:02 PM

That is a very valid point - but that's the virus that's responsible for throat cancer, not the act of oral sex itself. A person who is not infected, or followers proper safe-sex procedures, will not have to worry about that. Oral sex can also lead to HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis, all sorts of other things, too, but it doesn't cause those diseases. It's merely the way the bacteria/virus is transmitted.

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:01 PM

No no, not coconut. Linoleic acid...the omega 6 fat that everyone is so afraid of.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on March 17, 2013
at 07:00 PM

I didn't see your comment about teens with EDs before I answered, but I completely agree with you. It's very frightening to see answers that might trigger descent into a really deep hole of disordered eating just because some asshole suggested that they could "lean out" a little more by going into ketosis or some such crap.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:59 PM

You know, it's funny - I used to be a "rain on someone else's parade" type of person for a long time (LOL, and I just realized that was when I was a vegetarian years ago); so, this is probably why I'm hyper sensitive when I infer that someone is implying that kind of thing.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:59 PM

Totally agreed on these points, especially the first! We shouldn't all eat as if we have diseases. And the last... total yes on that, too. Some people can manage to eat things properly and not binge. It does seem like bingers are become the norm, and that's scary.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Just for the record, re: *oral sex leads to throat cancer* - this is a very real concern. Many strains of HPV are asymptomatic in infected males, and HPV has been shown to lead to cervical and oral cancers. You aren't "sex-phobic" if you are aware of risks you will encounter if you are sexually active, but you are "sex stupid" if you think there are no risks.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:53 PM

I agree that it's a bit of a "go fuck yourself" thing, lol, but I think HB is just kinda venting and is frustrated about his own crappy situation. I often feel that way about other things in my life, but I try not to say much because raining on someone else's parade doesn't give me a float. But sometimes you just gotta rant. :)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:53 PM

I went to high school with 60 kids in my grade. Two of them (male and female) went on to become professional models. They had (as far as I know) no health problems, lovely skin, and were "born lucky". What I don't know is if they have/had good lives. And I certainly don't know if they are happy. Yet, I wanted to be like them. So, I think I understand where you are coming from now. However, I would add: really try to understand that you are projecting that seeming-happiness onto those types of people; they may even be representing that they are - but really, who knows? Find your own happiness!

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:48 PM

'Uhmm ... go fuck yourself?' I mean the people who were born with no health problems, lovely skin, happiness, good lives, not those who've worked for it (though I resent them a little bit also because I feel like no matter how much work I put in I will never achieve what I want to because of some serious flaws in my body and face

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:25 PM

I eat a lot of coconut oil already, I will try oysters though, thanks

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:21 PM

Hmm...I'd recommend you try greatly increasing your intake of linoleic acid and start eating a lot of oysters. The combination of n-6 fats and zinc should help your skin and the copper in the oysters should address the graying.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:18 PM

dry, red, uneven, mild acne, very thin under eyes; hair very thin, going gray (I'm 27) I look and feel very ill but I don't know what to do, I just want to know what to do

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:13 PM

What do you mean by bad skin and hair?

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

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on March 17, 2013
at 06:03 PM

I also hate the constant no-poo threads and paleo t shirts

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3d58b5fb4f9780e2f47d4dcc53338a5a

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on March 20, 2013
at 05:22 PM

When I first read this, I thought it was some troll, but then I realized that this was from a longstanding contributing member of the site. It bothered me a lot at first because he really seems upset, but that led me to realize the main problem I have with Paleo Hacks, and Paleo in general.

We're obsessing about the details when we need to be simplifying.

I've seen many blogs and websites and posting, and they fall into two camps: the "Am I doing it right?" people and the "Whatever, Dude!" camp. When I came across the idea of Paleo, it was from an anti-cancer approach I was following and it matched up fairly nicely with paleo, as far as eating, exercising and relaxing. It's the relaxing part that most people are missing. I know that I'm not perfectly healthy, but I'm heading in the right direction. I've stopped measuring my cholesterol every few months. I no longer weigh food. Most importantly, I no longer worry if what I'm doing doesn't match what anyone else is doing.

Unfortunately, it seems like a majority of people here are getting a bit "orthorexic," where they are so worried about what they're eating or not eating and when and how much and the exact nutrient ratios that it's becoming unhealthy. I come here because I can see a wide variety of issues and the POTENTIAL solutions. That doesn't mean I have to immediately go out and buy MCTs or fast on garlic water and lard for a week.

What I've always felt about paleo is that it's the notion that everything we eat and do affects the body on a molecular level, and that we have a core programming to handle these things, positively or negatively. There are too many variables to know exactly what is going on in all cases. Obsessing about the details distracts from what we really need to be doing. Move more, eat more natural and adjust and relax.

My feeling is that: if you are worrying if you are doing "IT" right, then you're not doing it right.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on March 20, 2013
at 07:39 PM

'It's the relaxing part that most people are missing' - agreed

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:34 PM

I feel I need to respond to some of your peeves before leaving my own.

More than anything else I hate it's emphasis on weight loss.

There probably are more weight loss questions than weight gain or maintenance questions on paleohacks (definitely feels that way to me, too). But ... there are weight gain and maintenance questions on paleohacks. We may notice the ones that align with our own struggles more, or envy those that don't have our particular struggles. "Weight gain?!" Ha, I wish that was my problem. But to those asking those questions, I don't shit on them. It's just a reality that more people are trying to get healthier by getting leaner, than getting healthier by putting weight on.

I hate it's myopia.

Lolwut? There are so many variations of paleo-inspired diets, that we often need preceding descriptions of the variety we are on - ZC v. VLC v. LC. v. "safe starch eating"; vegetarian or vegan varieties - from no animal products at all, to pescetarian, to "I can't believe I feel so much better eating meat again"; and related diets and regimins - from Kruse-a-nauts to Perfect Health Diet and it's even-keel acceptance of foods that seem AOK (gasp rice!). It's all tied together in a very vague, evolutionary underpinning, but everyone ('cept the trolls) are all welcomed here.

I hate it's excessive love of bacon. What exactly is so healthy about bacon? this one more than any other makes me think this diet is just a repackaged atkins.

Look, I don't get the love of bacon either. I think dark chocolate falls into this category, too. I also didn't get the love of hummus or tempeh when I was a vegetarian years and years ago. Some foods just ring out and are fun to proclaim love for. I do think there is a camaraderie found in eating something that others think will kill you (bacon), but is actually fairly benign. I hear you though - but I don't think it's a bad thing to let alone. If someone only eats bacon and that's all ... well ... we can have words with them later.

I hate how food has taken over my life and done nothing good for me.

I feel that you are burnt out - there are others thing in life besides food! Be happy you have a focus on healthy food, but don't let it consume you.

I resent others who've found their panacea through diet.

I'm not sure if this is true for everyone, let alone anyone. A healthy diet, from security of availability of nourishment, to foods we desire to eat (paleo and all), to the joy of preparing food all are components of a base, solid healthy lifestyle. "Paleo?" - a buzzword cannot be a panacea.

I resent people who just wake up feeling and looking good, not thinking about this shit, just living their fucking lives.

Uhmm ... go fuck yourself?! I'm not sure if I'm kidding. It's taken many here years to figure out underlying health issues, and then many months to a handful of years of real, hard work to get to the point that they can wake up with a smile on their faces, happy with what exercise, work, family, and friends will throw at them. Do I envy the people that show off their rock hard abs in their user icons? Ehh, maybe a little. But do I let that inspire me, or put me off of my own pursuit? I let it inspire me. Sometimes it takes knowing that there is a larger community of like minded people out there, to "allow yourself" to feel that something is normal, or OK. A pretty banal thing to most, but something that inspired me in paleo-land was a focus on weekly cookups. It's obvious and simple, but I never would have thought preparing a week's worth of food before was normal. Now, I can't imagine life without all the free time that once-a-week activity brings me.


So, what gets me about paleo or paleohacks?

1) The trolls. Enough said.

2) People who are looking for "quick fixes". Maybe this is where you were going with the "weight loss", thing? To me, people who phrase their questions in such a way that they show they don't have a clear vision about what it will take to get healthier leave me somewhat worried about them. People who post their measurements and calorie intake down to the hundredth's decimal spot, or those that ask if paleo will help them fit into some particular clothes in two months time freak me out. And most ketosis questions make me shake my head - "I "cheated" last night - will oreos kick me out of ketosis?!" It makes me stabby. I feel those types of people are on path to disaster, if they don't chill out and find a way to make paleo help them long term, in my humble opinion.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:59 PM

You know, it's funny - I used to be a "rain on someone else's parade" type of person for a long time (LOL, and I just realized that was when I was a vegetarian years ago); so, this is probably why I'm hyper sensitive when I infer that someone is implying that kind of thing.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:53 PM

I agree that it's a bit of a "go fuck yourself" thing, lol, but I think HB is just kinda venting and is frustrated about his own crappy situation. I often feel that way about other things in my life, but I try not to say much because raining on someone else's parade doesn't give me a float. But sometimes you just gotta rant. :)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:53 PM

I went to high school with 60 kids in my grade. Two of them (male and female) went on to become professional models. They had (as far as I know) no health problems, lovely skin, and were "born lucky". What I don't know is if they have/had good lives. And I certainly don't know if they are happy. Yet, I wanted to be like them. So, I think I understand where you are coming from now. However, I would add: really try to understand that you are projecting that seeming-happiness onto those types of people; they may even be representing that they are - but really, who knows? Find your own happiness!

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:48 PM

'Uhmm ... go fuck yourself?' I mean the people who were born with no health problems, lovely skin, happiness, good lives, not those who've worked for it (though I resent them a little bit also because I feel like no matter how much work I put in I will never achieve what I want to because of some serious flaws in my body and face

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 17, 2013
at 11:59 PM

Yes, Varelse (Luckie was sooo much easier to type!), HB is clearly just ranting, but in the wrong place. Sounds like a mental health professional is needed here. HB, you may have gotten the short end of the stick genetically. Why hate those that can just live their lives? Sounds like your hate is misplaced. A time machine may be in order here.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 18, 2013
at 02:55 AM

I decided to change my name to something that more accurately reflects my nature and my science fiction obsession, rather than on my name that gets me accused of being Irish. I figured Saint Patrick's Day was the perfect opportunity. :) I did just start noticing that it is typed with the left hand only, except for 1 letter. I guess that does make it rough.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:24 PM

The notion that dysfunction is normal. Sorry, you can't handle gluten, you lost a genetic lottery, not everybody is like you.

Non-paleo questions about health. Sorry, we're not your doctor, you should probably consult them for your prolapsed rectum following that hard kettlebell workout.

Paleo as anti-modern medicine. Related to the above point, but the folks who reject medical treatment simply because they believe in some vast conspiracy having to do with vaccines, antibiotics or pharmaceuticals.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:43 PM

CD- Right. When someone has diabetes, their experience is going to be incredibly different from mine (insulin sensitivity, normal blood sugar, but bad intolerance to gluten). I started eating more paleo BECAUSE I have dysfunctional reactions to foods, not because it's normal.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:46 PM

*Also, I wish I were part gecko. I would totally tell everyone if I were. (/thread hijack)

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:23 AM

On your first point.... I struggle with people who answer questions without qualifying their personal afflictions. After looking through their other answers you see they have type 2 diabetes, IBS, rare genetic disorders, mutant healing power, etc....

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:31 PM

Love the first point. Dysfunction is not normal. Same with those who think that everyone should avoid carbs, saying that it leads to insane cravings just because they can't put down the fork. Lots of people manage to eat normal servings of all sorts of foods without a problem. Binging is not a normal reaction to eating carbohydrate heavy foods.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:10 PM

I agree to a point, ketogenic low carbohydrate is a terrible blanket recommendation. A 30ish% carbohydrate recommendation would cover just about everybody, save a few athletes.

7e6644836cdbcbe2b06307ff7db92d31

(693)

on March 20, 2013
at 04:39 PM

Man, the top answers here really knock it out of the park (I was about to give up on it completely). My spin off this one is "You can cure any medical condition with some particular food/supplement". Nice to see some normal people.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:11 PM

For clarification, there is no problem with anyone who has those afflictions from answering questions. In fact it is one of the things I like about this site, plenty of diverse thought. The problem is if you say, "Cut off you arm, I did and mine grew back." Without saying, "Oh yeah and I am part gecko", Others do not get the benefit of the context of your comment.

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:42 PM

No poo and other questions to see how much basic hygiene people think they can justifiably avoid.

The "you can eat as much as you want as long as it's not CARBS!" crap. The amount of food some people want to justify eating, or even want to eat, is just mind-boggling to me. Obviously an athlete or someone who has a very physically demanding job is going to have higher caloric needs, but all these regular people who want to find a way to shove down 4000 calories a day and have others tell them it's okay is just WTF-worthy. I DO eat as much as I want, every day, until I am full, and I can't break the 2000 calorie mark unless I eat some serious cheat food (and I'm not talking white rice). Then there's the flip side of those who want to eat as little as possible to the point of anorexia, who also want others to justify that decision and be told it's healthy. STOP WITH THE EXTREMES.

The teenagers who clearly have an eating disorder, or at least the start of one. Most people here are good about backing off teen-girl-weight-loss, but it's sad how many teen girls who are not overweight would risk their developing bodies to lose ten vanity pounds.

I also really hate the "Paleo-er than thou" competition attitude. "I bathe less than you!" or "I don't even eat sausage, that's too processed, I mean, it's ground up meat that's put into an intestine!" or the anti-fruit or anti-vegetable crusaders. Another form of extremism.

The people who insert their morality or political bias into Paleo, like the sex-phobics who think that oral sex leads to throat cancer, homosexuality is wrong because Paleo people needed to procreate like bunnies, and watching porn every now and then is going to deplete your hormones or something like that.

EDIT: Also want to add in the "IF is for everyone" crowd. No the heck isn't.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:09 PM

greymouser, I hate you. I wish I didn't read that.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:00 PM

I didn't see your comment about teens with EDs before I answered, but I completely agree with you. It's very frightening to see answers that might trigger descent into a really deep hole of disordered eating just because some asshole suggested that they could "lean out" a little more by going into ketosis or some such crap.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:09 PM

On second thought, I guess it's a good thing I did...

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:29 PM

Varelse/Luckie - watching porn is not a moral issue. People need to know the consequences of watching though. And it does rewire your brain. And STDs can be transmitted through oral sex. This does not mean that people should not have oral sex. It just that you have the right to know, just like with everything else. The more we know, the better you can protect yourself.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:57 PM

Just for the record, re: *oral sex leads to throat cancer* - this is a very real concern. Many strains of HPV are asymptomatic in infected males, and HPV has been shown to lead to cervical and oral cancers. You aren't "sex-phobic" if you are aware of risks you will encounter if you are sexually active, but you are "sex stupid" if you think there are no risks.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:04 PM

Most definitely agreed - the act itself doesn't cause the disease.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:34 PM

Please see above for the already discussed response of oral sex and STDs. And as for the porn, I think we've already discussed how not everyone who watches it now and then has an addiction to it. Some people can manage not to binge on carbs OR porn. Like Matt said, dysfunction is NOT normal.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:02 PM

That is a very valid point - but that's the virus that's responsible for throat cancer, not the act of oral sex itself. A person who is not infected, or followers proper safe-sex procedures, will not have to worry about that. Oral sex can also lead to HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis, all sorts of other things, too, but it doesn't cause those diseases. It's merely the way the bacteria/virus is transmitted.

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Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

(4292)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:36 PM

The anti-vaccine crusaders I see occasionally (FFS NO THEY DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM)...admittedly this isn't everyone or even a majority but it really pisses me off.

I'm going to call it "supplementism" because I don't know if there's a better name. The idea that whatever minor health problem you have, you need to try 20 different weird supplements and precisely calculate ratios of everything to everything. Maybe some people need that but I'd bet most of us really don't and I just find it so alienating and extreme.

This is not about Paleo so much as about me, but I hate that I'll never stop wanting Nutella cheesecake and Snickers bars and ice cream (seriously, people who say that their cravings go away after x amount of months are mysterious to me - I strongly suspect most of them are lying) and now I'm going to feel crippling guilt about it for the rest of my life. I used to have such a healthy relationship with food but Paleo just feeds right into my addictive/ocd personality and now I'm so insane about it haha.

27e79ef3308bb5f2d7bd04ee7eea7b79

(2038)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:32 PM

Thank you for the confession about the cravings! I feel so much better knowing I'm not the only one strong enough to move on completely.

0f88641fb8088d0cdd1b5ef810b2d0a4

(146)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:59 PM

"I hate that I'll never stop wanting Nutella cheesecake and Snickers bars and ice cream (seriously, people who say that their cravings go away after x amount of months are mysterious to me - I strongly suspect most of them are lying) and now I'm going to feel crippling guilt about it for the rest of my life. I used to have such a healthy relationship with food but Paleo just feeds right into my addictive/ocd personality and now I'm so insane about it haha." YES. Every sentence is so true.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 19, 2013
at 06:22 PM

But its fine, " just get your damn vaccine" right?!

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 18, 2013
at 11:46 AM

People boast about beating the cravings to make themselves feel better over us normies who still think cheesecake and ice cream are delicious. They're fooling themselves and we're in the right!

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 19, 2013
at 06:21 PM

Hold up. Anti-vaccine crusaders? Read the ingredients. Would you put that in a newborns body? Secondly, my sister who is in elementry school was sent home a form for the hpv vaccine. First of all, when are 12 year olds getting hpv? Secondly, the form did not require parental consent. 12 YEAR OLDs get to decide what they put in their bodies from their big brother-the government. So much wrong going on here. Also I have a cousin to prove vaccines result in autism and many tests to confirm it. Don't be so blatent in your statements!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:58 PM

And this is the kind of hysterical response she was referring to... your cousin proves nothing. If you want to be an anti-vaccine crusader, that's all fine and well, but A. This is not a vaccine forum and B. back it up with some science, not a family anecdote.

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D2b653e1bb95489af69ece6182abec48

(375)

on March 18, 2013
at 11:48 AM

When people broadcast their pointless negative emotions toward groups who have done nothing deserving, such as people who just wake up feeling and looking good.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 18, 2013
at 07:13 PM

Preach it!!!!!!

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Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 18, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I hate it when people write "loose" when they mean "lose."

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75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

(2506)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:37 PM

paleohacks.com is a great site. No, really. My only minor complaint is with folks who post questions w/o doing any sort of research beforehand, ... this includes not even using the search facility on this site. IMHO, it is better to be a lurker and do extensive research before being bold enough to ask questions. Without this you will probably not know enough to understand the answers given (because they might be technical, strewn with acronyms).

My only complaint with the Paleo diet/lifestyle is that it is so unforgiving, at least for me, if I cheat. This makes it very awkward when eating socially with friends; I am always the special case. But after being on Paleo for a long time I truly don't miss non-Paleo foods. "Cheating" is just something I don't do.

_Lazza

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9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:56 PM

  • How everyone offers their n=1 rebuttal, no matter how much of an outlier they are ("try that if you have candida lololol [whatever that is]". We'd have to put a disclaimer on everything to shut those people up.
  • The assumption that paleo is low carb - admittedly that has almost disappeared in the past few months. Pisses me off when I say I'm on paleo diet and they assume I'm low carbing.
  • Low carb in general. For anyone with common sense it is clear that it can't be sustainable, and as such, probably not a good idea even in short term. Yet paleo seems to attrach low carbers like crazy. Cue people "but it's useful for [this and that]. Shut up. I don't care. Don't spread your religion here.
  • Sugar as bogeyman. Just because you used to be obese and can't control yourself doesn't mean sugar is poison. Honey and maple syrup are delicious, and good for you especially following a workout.

edit:

  • The way coffee gets a free pass all the time, and is advocated here. Just because you are addicted to it doesn't mean it's ok to spread your propaganda and selectively pick and read studies.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:08 PM

I'd rather have them adopt paleo than Atkins or veganism, for example. But some seem to think paleo itself is a panacea, and don't bother to - or know how to - fix their binging and underlying reasons for it. If you switch from binging on chocolate chip cookies to gorging on nuts and bacon, you're not any better off. Yes, I said something possibly negative about bacon - bring on the pitch forks :)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 10:19 PM

HERESY! But yes, binging and eating disorders ARE a problem, no matter how they're expressed, or justified.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 18, 2013
at 11:47 AM

Coffee? It's a mixed bag, justifiable either way really. *sips 6th cup in the last 3 hours*

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:59 PM

Totally agreed on these points, especially the first! We shouldn't all eat as if we have diseases. And the last... total yes on that, too. Some people can manage to eat things properly and not binge. It does seem like bingers are become the norm, and that's scary.

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 18, 2013
at 07:56 PM

Paleo is kinda low carb compared to a mc donalds diet though... It's probably pretty moderate compared to atkins or something I suppose

Medium avatar

(572)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:06 PM

Sugar isn't a bogeyman, but man - I have to tell you that when I'm avoiding it in its packaged form I do.not.binge. Period. My head swims with all the science behind it (I try, I really do), but all I know is when I do eat without it, my whole body is happier. I am happier. It's just the truth - for me.

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1f526f30f0220e6349d39b5647bb01f1

on March 17, 2013
at 08:42 PM

Most of these are complaints are similar the fitness world. I've had a great experience with the web community.

  • I'm still developing my sense of budget so foods can seem expensive in the short term
  • I hate not knowing my physiology and biochem so I can really answer my own questions
  • Hack my BLANK
  • I fear appearing smug
  • I hate having to give in to eat junk in social contexts
  • I don't like seeing Paleo as anti-modern medicine like Matt said
  • Lack of scientific thinking
  • Lack of educational answers
  • I hate that I can't easily get some basic blood tests done
  • Lack of straight forward questions at this site
  • I HATE seeing all this unnecessary suffering in my country from misinformation and lack of education. "Calories" are NOT burned, nutrients are. Seeing people ride stationary bikes for hours.
  • I am saddened by some of the self-esteem driven motivation I sense to be fit and "better"
  • I miss gorging on pastas and pancakes

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2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

on March 18, 2013
at 12:51 PM

I don't hate anything! Hate only hurts oneselves. Maybe I dislike or have contempt, but no hate! I think people should keep an open mind. Don't be rigid. Science is constantly evolving. Nothing is absolute!! Make stuff work for you, not because some guru with painted on abs says so. You are a free human being:) xoxox

81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

(638)

on March 18, 2013
at 07:59 PM

Love this comment :)

8a8129d053df7365c6529b0c2ac95efb

(284)

on March 20, 2013
at 02:03 AM

super! :) well said!

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F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on March 17, 2013
at 11:59 PM

I hate the improper use of its and it's. So I just fixed all of yours :)

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:04 AM

I must have been angry when I typed this haha, don't usually make that mistake!

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366c23d69eadce094a2b22299c58a424

(2988)

on March 17, 2013
at 07:39 PM

The emphasis on the "rules" and dogma of paleo over figuring out what might be healthy to eat.

The general assumption that there is one version of paleo, and it will make you lose weight, feel better and fix your blood lipid issues, and if it doesn't work, paleo doesn't work. Folks, there is HUGE, HUGE variance here in what people eat, even within the group that is eating strict paleo.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:13 PM

This, very much this. I think it's a good idea to try hardcore paleo for a month or two in your early paleo "career," but suggesting one should do it for eternity is not necessary or even advisable for 99.99999% of people.

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E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

on March 17, 2013
at 06:58 PM

  1. Trolls

  2. I hate the glib answers to vegetarians (not the vegan types) who are trying to eat as paleo as possible. I see this on other sites, though, so it's not just Paleohacks.

  3. I really get irritated by answers to questions posed in a really eating-disorder-trigger way. I have seen a lot of questions by women or even some men, and especially teenagers, who are at a normal weight and athletic, answered with a "stop eating all fruit!" type thing. Maybe I just have a spidey sense for this sort of thing after dealing with eating disorders for 10+ years, but I think it's dangerous. Actually, trying to give a reasonable answer is one of the only reasons I answer questions nowadays.

What I like about paleo/paleohacks is that there are occasionally some really good questions that make me think. I still check it and participate because of those questions, and the odd food-preparation-related question. I have nothing against paleo, but the dogmatic version and ED-triggering behavior is not helpful. (Granted, this is a public forum for discussion. I can't stop this stuff.)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 18, 2013
at 11:49 AM

I agree that vegetarian paleo is not something that should be dismissed so readily. Eggs and dairy are pretty damn good overall, probably better with a little fish/seafood. A little worse adding in legumes, but still, smarter than your average bear.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 17, 2013
at 09:14 PM

Oh, eating disorders, I forgot the constant stream of ED folks who refuse treatment because paleo is obviously so much healthier than any treatment diet when they're really just substituting one dysfunctional restriction for a slightly more functional (yet dysfunctional) dietary restriction.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

(4347)

on March 18, 2013
at 12:13 PM

Yeah, I think so, too. I mean, we talk about eggs as being quite nutrient dense--especially the yolks. I think those coupled with some organic dairy/raw-grass-fed/whatever would probably be fine. (Sure, with seafood even better.) Legumes---meh. Probably not AS good, but certainly a way to get variety if someone isn't eating meat. Isn't paleo about what bad things are avoided, not that everyone has to include all paleo foods in their diets? Unless you believe everyone should be getting 150g+ protein daily (I don't), then I don't see a problem.

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7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

on March 18, 2013
at 06:03 PM

I hate the lack of compound SEARCHING on PALEOHACKS.COM (can't search for TWO words with an AND )

However, I LUV LUV LUV the site, and all the helpful info contained here, and all the people willing to share what they've learned.

Thank you to EVERYONE!

Mike

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89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

on March 17, 2013
at 07:36 PM

An Ode to hate.. oh how i hate thee.. let me count the ways. Our next exercise will be to list why we LOVE paleo.. but in the meantime ..

Dont let food take over your life. Food is nourishment not religion nor spiritual healing. Your diet can help to promote a sense of balance and well-being but ultimately your overall happiness cant be found in your diet. You need to examine other aspects of your life and see where the deficiencies are. Dont begrudge people their happiness. These seemingly "beautiful" people with the glowing skin have their own crosses to bear too and you never know whats going on beneath the rosy facade. It sounds like youre really self critical about your appearance and im sorry to hear that. You need to accept yourself and love yourself a little more. and smile..its st paddys day! peace~~~sending love :)

oh yeah..as far as "hate" ..me and paleo are still in our honeymoon phase as of yet. But ill reserve the right to dislike for a later date.

5
7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:45 PM

The lack of geekery and actual health hacking.

5
21b36b3de8ff31b0d41e7f0f4b5c1e03

(1688)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:30 PM

The same weight loss related questions over and over again. Ketosis questions.

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on March 18, 2013
at 02:09 PM

On the frustration with life vein, I find it equal parts inspiring and horrifying that the more I learn the less I know.

Not that this is limited to food, but it is pronounced in this realm for me.

A97b68379a576dfa764a4828304d2efb

(4181)

on March 19, 2013
at 12:16 AM

Oh man. Spot. On.

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C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

(715)

on March 17, 2013
at 08:53 PM

the same thing i hate about all "alternative lifestyles"-the borderline cult like nature that can develop. it's not just with the paleo people, it happens everywhere from the vegans to the fruititarians to the raw paleo people. people go around shouting that there's only one way to live when that's simply not true. different diets work for different people. i've had family members who ate SAD and lived to 99. i've known vegan people with heart disease. i have fruititarian friends who are thriving. just because your ideology works for you doesn't mean it's going to work for everyone.

also the demonization of fruit and vegetables is ridiculous, in my opinion.

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24a0a0d5073f0a77c3737ef9d0e4c426

on March 18, 2013
at 10:02 AM

Discussions about what early people may or may not have eaten and why or why not this is healthy. It's much more productive to see what modern processing has done to our health rather the worry if Gronk ate carbs or not.

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742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on March 17, 2013
at 08:20 PM

I agree with Travis increase your O6 it has improved my skin quite a bit, not perfect, but my skin is less dry and bumpy. A paleo type diet, with attention to more nutrient dense foods and low intake of potential irritants has greatly improved my health since I started. But, although I feel over all better than pre-paleo, I still don't consider myself perfectly healthy. My skin for example seems to be the only thing that doesn't heal. I think my skin might look similar to yours and it sucks to walk around and see people with perfectly clear skin despite eating like crap.

What have you tried so far? There are a lot of reasons our outer appearance might not look healthy despite eating healthy. It is an extremely difficult puzzle to solve: thyroid issues, bacterial biofilms, nutrient deficiency, hormonal issues, infections, demodex mites or a simple malfunction of the bacteria on our skin and how they react to lipids and bacteria.

To answer your question, I also don't like the emphasis on losing weight, but there is nothing we could do about that. A large majority of people 'diet' to lose weight, no one wants to be fat, so all emphasis is on weight.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 19, 2013
at 06:27 PM

Sometimes it makes me think back to my raw vegan days. I was a health disaster but my skin was good. Talk about eating disorder back than.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 19, 2013
at 06:25 PM

I feel for you. I'm 17,eating better than 99.9% of my peers. Never cheat. Have bought enough supplements to build the Great Wall of China, twice! Acne combined with seb dern and extremely dry skin. I'm frustrated.

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3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

on March 20, 2013
at 04:09 PM

I don't really "hate" but a few things are not so great.

  1. I "hate" how some are in it to lose weight only and don't care much about health concerns. I know women like it and once they reach their dream weight they quit.

  2. I hate how there is so much contradiction about what is good for you and what isn't. Even in Paleo land people argue about this. It is hard to find out the truth bc every claim is backed up! So in a way it seems like there is no right way to do it.

  3. I hate when I get told I need to listen to my body and not stress when I have a problem. Because a) my natural instincts are DEAD (!!) and my body craves bread and pasta and coffee and cookies. So I need to listen to my brain. And b) stress can't always be avoided. It can be situational. Telling someone not to stress is pretty pointless. Of course everyone will try to stress as little as possible.

  4. I hate the carb wars

  5. I hate how some extreme recommendations are given without much thought. It has caused me harm bc certain advice does not work for everyone.

  6. I hate that while some of my problems bettered, new ones also appeared. It feels like never being able to win.

  7. I hate how some think just because they thrive doing X it must apply to everyone. Some Paleo dieters have no or minor problems! I on the other hand rose from the grave, so I won't be getting the same results easily.

And I also think it can't all be called just paleo. There are so many differences. Some eat low carb, high fat, low fat, some eat organs, recommend fatty meat, recommend lean meat, raw meat, add potato, rice or dairy and call it paleo, some avoid sugar, some say the body needs some (fructose) sugar....

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 20, 2013
at 04:43 PM

Re: 1, I think the carb wars have been over for a long, long time. Re: 7, I see "Oh, it's N=1..." used as an excuse not to back up an argument sometimes. Re: the closing statement, it **can** all be called just *paleo* if it fits into an evolution based reason for why it puts or removes or limits something in the diet. No, that doesn't make rice idelogically paleo, but knowing what we know of rice, those that aren't V/LC can choose to incorporate it, for e.g. (Personally, I don't - lots of roots and tubers to choose from.)

3959828c57f2aeddc08e5f374e92ad36

(87)

on March 20, 2013
at 07:58 PM

The carb wars may be better here, but there are other forums where very low carb or zero carb is praised mostly. I personally don't eat rice or potatoes. I think to outsiders it must be confusing that there is so many differences in paleo. My friend recently read about it and said "It is not for me! I read online that Paleo is high fat, meat and low carb and that this is anti hair" (she suffers from hair loss). It then had to explain to her that it is not necessarily like that. So at least labeling it as "low carb high fat" lchf Paleo in articles like that would help.

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24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 18, 2013
at 12:19 AM

The lack of a Paleo official manual.

A genuine official manual that:

  • Links to the scientific citations relevant to each topic.
  • Is regularly updated.
  • Includes the spectrum of candidate hypotheses, counterarguments, caveats, areas of unknown for each topic.
  • Includes the more informative n=1 testimonies.
  • Is written in a collaborative effort with multiple authors, as overseen by true gurus.

In the absence of this, I am often left to read and re-read the same arguments, common fallacies, strawmen, innumerable times over. Without the topic ever reaching a conclusive settlement.

P.S. - Also dislike the lack of templates.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 18, 2013
at 03:35 AM

@Varelse: Not interested in democracy here, but aristocracy. Not one single author could write a complete manual (countless thousands of pages, no doubt.) And also update on a continuous basis. Ergo, a collaborative effort.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 18, 2013
at 03:36 AM

@Michael: Please stop with the strawmen.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 19, 2013
at 12:23 AM

Must I repeat Plato and Aristotle as regards what is true and what is contingent? That was only settled 2,400 years ago. Public school education, Varelse. As for Michael, on another thread you said cashews are a legume. Go play with someone else.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 18, 2013
at 02:48 AM

Yeah, Paleo is not a democracy.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 18, 2013
at 10:07 PM

O excuse me. I completely misunderstood that you wanted a diet/lifestyle to be run in a governmental fashion. If that's what you're after, let me tell you about something called the FDA. (Sarcasm) But seriously, who is the absolute truth on the diet that everyone should eat? Should be all be in ketosis or should we all eat dairy because some guru decided that's the best way for everyone? There is no 1 size fits all.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on March 18, 2013
at 01:52 AM

This 'conclusive settlement' you speak of is like reaching nirvana isn't it. Tell me where to sign... Until that becomes available I can be happy enough as is. A lot of your points don't seem to accurtaely reflect what's happening anyway, arguably.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on March 18, 2013
at 10:59 AM

Where did you feel I mischaracterised your position(s)?

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 19, 2013
at 12:20 AM

Must I repeat Plato and Aristotle as regards what is true and what is contingent? That was only settled 2,500 years ago. Public school education, Varelse. As for Michael, on another thread you said cashews are a legume. Go play with someone else.

Eed7dabde3d61910685845e04605267f

(2934)

on March 19, 2013
at 01:17 AM

How is my mistake concerning legumes related to any of your points (many of which are very arguable)? It seems that on one hand you are keen to demonstrate the disdain you have for 'common fallacies' etc but on the other seem keen to obfuscate the issues at hand by yourself throwing out an ad hominem. If you're unwilling to answer my question, that's fine, it reflects more on you than it does me.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 20, 2013
at 11:48 AM

The only thing sillier than thinking that an alternative diet/lifestyle should be run like Mordor with one diet to rule them all is justifying that position by quoting ancient Greek philosophers out of context. I think Plato and Aristotle are rolling over in their graves. PS - I don't know where you went to public school, but I sure never learned philosophy in mine. I had to pick that up myself. Your condescension is amusing, though. Thanks for playing!

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:34 PM

If I were you, I would stop thinking that Paleo is the only solution and I would start researching. It could be SIBO. It could be other problems as well.

So don't hate Paleo. Start actively finding solutions.

I don't hate anything about Paleo. But I hate tons of things about myself. I get very nervous about my health (since I got sick). I have won my battle with SIBO (for now) just to find out that I still have tons of other problems. Paleo sometimes is not the only solution. Finding a very good doctor is half the battle.

If you find a very very good doctor, who looks at a patient as a whole, not as a number of organs put together, let me know.

2
F02990386b12528111740ad6279ba29d

(1363)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:12 PM

Argumentative people

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81feb1022a28f534867616b9316c7aa4

on March 18, 2013
at 08:00 PM

Hehehe I hate how everyone seems to hate everything!!! Chill out y'all!! :P

1
0b7c3e7fd96005f0b2dfd781e512fc2e

(1237)

on March 18, 2013
at 02:27 PM

What I find most irritating are the type of posters who seem to take pride in ignoring the kind of nuanced advice people are specifically looking for and give answers like "If you feel good eating it and if it works for you, go ahead!!1!". Yeah, well, what if I feel good eating grains, ice-cream and pizza??

Also those sarcastic comments like "Nooo, carbs will make you break out in purple warts!"; "If you eat dairy then the paleo gods will smite you down!". Yeah, real helpful thanks.

0b7c3e7fd96005f0b2dfd781e512fc2e

(1237)

on March 18, 2013
at 02:37 PM

But for the most part my experience on this forum has been very positive :)

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on March 18, 2013
at 04:37 PM

Fair points but if you feel and look good eating pizza and ice cream then what's the problem? If I felt and looked good eating that stuff I'd never have even heard of paleo, I'd be too busy enjoying my life!

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 18, 2013
at 10:09 PM

There's a lot of people who went paleo who thought that they felt just fine while eating pizza and ice cream. Then they stopped in realize that that wasn't how they were supposed to feel. A lot of people think that bloating gas obesity and all that jazz is normal. Never felt better so they don't realize they can.

0
3b0bb33b0a85d12fb461f86ed69a492a

on March 20, 2013
at 04:27 PM

I have to say that as I contemplate a Paleo diet & am switching over the things I eat, I am put off by it being seen as a "weight loss" diet. How about just emphasizing health? I went to the Paleohacks FB page and the day I LIKED it there were all of these photos of work-out buff people. I am thin, have always been thin & never loved that no matter what I do - have not been healthy.

Please emphasize health & we'll all be better off for it.

0
52bf4c1bac5a67bcd4694ffcbbefc490

on March 19, 2013
at 03:48 PM

I wish there was one place to find links to research and facts. There's info all over the web but I can never remember where I read what.

There really should be a Paleo wiki.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on March 20, 2013
at 06:13 PM

Get yourself a Pinterest page! I have boards dedicated to paleo articles, paleo blogs, and paleo recipes. I find lots of great info from those I follow too.

0
370751438907115abacc67f4466b398d

(118)

on March 18, 2013
at 06:12 PM

I hate how everyone says something different, there's so many "versions" of paleo I don't know what to follow, and then there's primal and all that junk.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 18, 2013
at 10:09 PM

We all say something different because everyone is different. :-)

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 20, 2013
at 04:39 PM

@Zombers concrete is not on the paleo diet, you should lose your taste for it ;-)

370751438907115abacc67f4466b398d

(118)

on March 19, 2013
at 12:30 AM

Well of course but it just makes it so confusing! Some say low carb, some say dont care about carbs, some say safe starches no fruit, some say you can eat butter/dairy products and honey and all that, etc etc. Just confuses me. Not concrete enough for my taste lol!

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Ea3e7e2639d07474a611a267344a3296

on March 18, 2013
at 04:36 AM

HB - just an idea for your skin... I was an esthetician for years and have an idea for you.

An excellent and super easy Topical daily regime is to buy yourself some Norwex face cloths and towels and just wash with warm water. They are antibacterial and wash all the dead skin, pollution, make up etc off your skin. They don't dry out your skin either as water is ph balanced. Don't bother with a toner or astringent either. Your skin is toned with water and astringents are harsh and drying.

Follow with an organic skin cream designed for your skin type. If you are dry use a heavy nourishing one at night and a lighter one during the day. If you are oily use a lighter cream. If you have acne you still need a cream, sometimes people with oily acneic skin don't use a moisturizer but you really should. Sometimes acne is breaking out because it is unbalanced in oil production due to stripping the ph balance with soap or harsh cleansers. You could try coconut oil at night topically as it has healing properties, but I like a skin care line called Eminence from Hungary. It has a lot of beautiful creams. Acneic skin is also possibly sensitive skin and or allergic. So be gentle with yourself.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 17, 2013
at 06:06 PM

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