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White rice vs fruit?

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Created July 19, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I'm having difficulty understanding why white rice is seen as better than fruit here?

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on July 24, 2013
at 11:12 PM

Yeah fruit is mostly sugar and vitamin C. Also potassium...often manganese too, plus some magnesium. Oh and several of the b-vitamins. Occasionally folate as well. Vitamin K from time to time. And often B-carotene if you're into that. Sluuurppp =P

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on July 21, 2013
at 05:14 PM

Keep slurping that paleo koolaid then.

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on July 19, 2013
at 08:55 PM

I don't care what chronometer says, white rice is very lacking in nutrients compared to almost any fruit.

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on July 19, 2013
at 08:54 PM

Come back in 20 years to update us on your NAFL disease.

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on July 19, 2013
at 08:53 PM

Cme back in 20 years to updates on yr NAFL disease.

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on July 19, 2013
at 08:46 PM

White rice does not induce beri beri. It fails to prevent beri beri if you have no other source of B vitamins in your diet.

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on July 19, 2013
at 04:21 PM

Check cronometer.com. Equal calories of say white rice and apples. White rice wins on nutrients, aside from vitamin C. Paleo dogma is repeated a little too much without some fact checking sometimes.

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on July 19, 2013
at 03:49 PM

You have it exactly the opposite of reality. White rice is simple carbs, whereas fruits have more fructose, which is labeled a carb, but treated more like a fat, and whole fruit has other minerals and nutrients as well.

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on July 19, 2013
at 02:56 PM

Thanks for the replies. People say chinese eat rice and they're skinny. But most chinese people appear to be ectomorphs.

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on July 19, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Just read my answer above, it actually pretty much jives with what you reiterated. ;-) I really just wanted to point out that something with an abundance of a nutrient inherently can't be empty.

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on July 19, 2013
at 01:48 PM

Can you eaplain the nutrient base of white rice... and then explain the nutrient base of fruit... compare the nutrient density of the two and I believe that white rice will compare with relatively low nutrient density next to fruit. Thats all Im saying, I wasnt hatin' I told him it was up to him. I prefer sweet potatos and Plaintains myself and choose not to eat Rice for the simple reason that they are not nutrient rich as are the other options hence my comment "empty carbs".

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on July 19, 2013
at 01:35 PM

Since carbohydrates are a macronutrient, there's no such thing as "empty carbs" -- just like there's no "empty fat" or "empty protein". ;-) If you're doing body recomp or trying to gain muscle (as opposed to wholesale weight loss), carbs are vitally important for muscle maintenance and growth. So stop hating on them. ;-) To your paleo poins, however: there are indeed many paleo sources of dense carbohydrates, my personal favorites being plantains and cassava.

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on July 19, 2013
at 11:57 AM

It's not seen as better than fruit in any way whatsoever.

White rice is seen as a safe grain and is often called a "safe starch" (especially by those who follow Perfect Health Diet), as it has been stripped of possible negative components, and all that remains is safe, bland, carbohydrate pellets. Rice is not ideologically paleo as it is a grain, but those here that eat it don't really care about doctrine like that.

Fruit -- fresh, whole fruit -- is more healthy than not, period. Some people have issues with fructose, or sugar in general, and need to avoid fruit. "Fruit" also connotes "sugary fruit", since other fruits like avocados, olives, and squashes are generally well loved here across the board. Dried fruit and juices do not fall into the "more healthy than not" category, but can often be consumed by most infrequently (e.g. I don't drink juice at all, but I sometimes snack on dried fruit when hiking).

Suffice to say, "everything in moderation" applies with both.

So, considering all that: rice is a better source of starch and resistant starch than most fruits ('cept plantains, bananas, and some squashes), while the cornucopia of sugary fruits out there represent an amazing amalgam of various vitamins and minerals.

Stop listening to the haters on either side -- they are very different foods, with their own unique properties.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

I didn't know we were comparing foods! I just find rice fills me up/provides greater satiety than fruit but that's FOR ME. Perhaps you're different. Also, I find the fruit in my grocery store to be utterly tasteless and try to eat only the fruit i can get from farmer's markets, which kind of limits except during summer/fall. Of course if you live in hawaii, perhaps that's not the case at all. I actually think eating seasonally is really important and don't shun or hate any one food. but rice is a great, mostly benign source of glucose, which your brain can run on, just like it can run on ketones. Rice is easy on the stomach.

Fruit is delicious but only when it's in season. They ran an article on the nytimes the other day, "Tomato doesn't taste like a tomato anymore." And it's true. I feel the same way about apples.

Anyway, you pick your battles

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235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

on July 19, 2013
at 01:16 PM

I personally eliminate all rice as it is a grain, but that does not mean that it is bad for you... A strict Paleo diet however does not include rice. So if you want to stick to being Paleo then fruit is the way to go. But if you want to be partially Paleo like so many people seem to have adopted then rice is not bad at all...in moderation. I think that fruit is one of the best post workout foods available. For me I eat a few pieces of watermelon or other melon after my workouts. But that is also the last thing I eat for the night. About 3 weeks ago I started workingout at around 8 pm and only have a few peices of fruit afterwards before going to bed between 10 or 11 pm. FYI, since doing that I have lost 16 lbs in 3 weeks. I had been trying to get my workouts in earlier in the day but it had been getting tougher and tougher due to my work and family schedule so I decided to workout after my baby girl went to bed (around 7pm). I dont know the science behind it but I seem to be burning calories through the night by not eating anything but a few pieces of fruit before bed.

But back to your question, Limit your fruit consumption but do not eliminate and rice is up to you. I personally think that white rice is nothing more than empty carbs... they will fill you up but offer very little in the way of nutrition.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on July 19, 2013
at 01:53 PM

Just read my answer above, it actually pretty much jives with what you reiterated. ;-) I really just wanted to point out that something with an abundance of a nutrient inherently can't be empty.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on July 19, 2013
at 01:35 PM

Since carbohydrates are a macronutrient, there's no such thing as "empty carbs" -- just like there's no "empty fat" or "empty protein". ;-) If you're doing body recomp or trying to gain muscle (as opposed to wholesale weight loss), carbs are vitally important for muscle maintenance and growth. So stop hating on them. ;-) To your paleo poins, however: there are indeed many paleo sources of dense carbohydrates, my personal favorites being plantains and cassava.

235e74b9adb57eff80592f064e1d298b

(421)

on July 19, 2013
at 01:48 PM

Can you eaplain the nutrient base of white rice... and then explain the nutrient base of fruit... compare the nutrient density of the two and I believe that white rice will compare with relatively low nutrient density next to fruit. Thats all Im saying, I wasnt hatin' I told him it was up to him. I prefer sweet potatos and Plaintains myself and choose not to eat Rice for the simple reason that they are not nutrient rich as are the other options hence my comment "empty carbs".

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on July 19, 2013
at 02:35 PM

I am having incredible results on an extremely high fruit diet, with around 95% of my food being fruit, with a small portion of fresh fish a day.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 19, 2013
at 08:53 PM

Cme back in 20 years to updates on yr NAFL disease.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 19, 2013
at 08:54 PM

Come back in 20 years to update us on your NAFL disease.

93c6732dc85ef47030f88769591a82bd

(15)

on July 19, 2013
at 02:56 PM

Thanks for the replies. People say chinese eat rice and they're skinny. But most chinese people appear to be ectomorphs.

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on July 19, 2013
at 12:07 PM

For me white rice has the single use of restoring muscle glycogen since it is a starch without any gluten or other gut irratants, but as with most grains its nutrient profile is pretty much non exsistant and tastes rather bland. Fruit on the other hand have all sorts of wonderful tastes with many nutrients, some a quite high in sugar, particulary fructose which I limit personally since it is easily stored as fat especially if your liver glycogen is full, so ideally in the morning is the best time to get some fruit in, or possibly pre/post workout, I love bananas and various berries and the occasional mango/pineapple/water melon, white rice only if im tired of sweet potatoes, white rice with some salsa and tuna in there with some scrammbled eggs mixed in tastes really good, if your trying to lose fat I would say limit both, if your trying to gain muscle then both can be very useful, and thats all I have to say :D

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on July 19, 2013
at 12:01 PM

I don't think anybody sees it that way (or a small minority does). White rice actually has decent amounts of a variety of vitamins/minerals. Fruit is mostly sugar with vitamin C. Per calorie, both suck for nutrition, but you do need calories and they both do meet that need.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 19, 2013
at 04:21 PM

Check cronometer.com. Equal calories of say white rice and apples. White rice wins on nutrients, aside from vitamin C. Paleo dogma is repeated a little too much without some fact checking sometimes.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 19, 2013
at 03:49 PM

You have it exactly the opposite of reality. White rice is simple carbs, whereas fruits have more fructose, which is labeled a carb, but treated more like a fat, and whole fruit has other minerals and nutrients as well.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 19, 2013
at 08:55 PM

I don't care what chronometer says, white rice is very lacking in nutrients compared to almost any fruit.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on July 21, 2013
at 05:14 PM

Keep slurping that paleo koolaid then.

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on July 24, 2013
at 11:12 PM

Yeah fruit is mostly sugar and vitamin C. Also potassium...often manganese too, plus some magnesium. Oh and several of the b-vitamins. Occasionally folate as well. Vitamin K from time to time. And often B-carotene if you're into that. Sluuurppp =P

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on July 19, 2013
at 07:55 PM

You are comparing apples not oranges. Fruit has much higher Vit. A, Vit. C and potassium than rice. Americans are mostly deficient in potassium. In fact, fruit is the biggest dietary supplier of the last two and a large supplier of various carotenoids. Then there are phytochemicals such as quercetin, which even the insipid commercial varieties have in great abundance, and for which apples are the largest supplier in the american diet.

Let me mention that many old apples, for example the Northern Spy apples which I eat five months of the year, have Vit. C contents four or five times commercial apples, and similar to oranges. Calville de Blanc too. Evolution worked during the Neolithic too, and people selected varieties based on nutritional value. Once we look at summer fruits, say cantaloupe, watermelon and berries, the nutritional content increases sharply w.r.t. apples, in Vit. C, Vit. A and potassium. These are also consumed at a time when the need for such nutrients increases (hot weather).

White rice, let us not forget, induces beri beri. In my modest experience, I find it a grain difficult to digest. Cornmeal and millet are those I digest best, with oats a distant third. Rice, to me, is about as good as teff or amaranth.

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on July 19, 2013
at 08:46 PM

White rice does not induce beri beri. It fails to prevent beri beri if you have no other source of B vitamins in your diet.

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