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What's wrong with fruit?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 14, 2013 at 7:57 PM

So, a lot of paleo eaters have all but sworn off fruit. Some of them say "I don't eat fruit..." to preface certain statements. Veggies are fine, meat is grand. I like those but what's the thing with fruit?

I'm not doing this to lose weight. I feel better when following a paleo-esque diet. I'm not dramatically restricting carbs, but eliminating grains, PUFAs and excessively starchy foods from my diet. Of course, processed foods are out.

Is there some compelling reason I should avoid fruit? Why do you do it? Why do you not? Why some do and some don't? What are the benefits vs downsides of being a fruity paleo? (not that kind of fruity!)

Note: I'm a very technical person. Don't sugar coat your answer and, if possible, get nerdy with me.

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

(134)

on August 27, 2013
at 04:03 PM

In my experience, symptoms of SIBO often overlap with symptoms of other ailments such as yeast overgrowth. It is important to be tested for it just to be sure that is what you are dealing with. I would be very wary of Metametrix tests however; this is the sort of thing you need to work with a Medical Doctor on, and I do realize that does sound difficult. These tests by Metametrix often produce dubious results, and it could easily be considered a scam in part with a naturopath.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on August 26, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Am also quite curious as to how to detect SIBO, and whether it can be detected easily via certain symptoms/combinations of symptoms, or testing is necessary.

Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

(168)

on August 16, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Absolutely agree. There are far more benefits to eating fruit than drawbacks, as long as you aren't trying to lose weight. It is a good idea to stay away from dried fruits, which are often higher on the glycemic index than candy. Enjoy the summer crops.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:09 PM

Are there easy-to-read signs of small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or do you need to get tested to find out? I have all sorts of digestive issues that paleo seems to be helping with.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:08 PM

On the flip side, fruit "wants to be eaten" and has few antinutrients where as most veggies contain varying levels of antinutrients. Cooking helps but really, what leaf would reward an herbivore? Why would a tuber want to be dug up? Nature wants us to strike a balance right?

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:05 PM

This is helpful. You've also provided some key words and phrases for further research, which the nerd in me appreciates. I think the dried papaya I just ate had too much sugar. I rarely touch fruit juices these days. I guess the take away is that a healthy, non-diabetic, under-30 guy like me can enjoy good fruit in moderation. Of course, it's currently the peak of fruit season and I love me some seasonal fruits. Strawberries, mangos, peaches, melons, etc... loving it. So, seasonal fruit consumption in moderation unless further research turns up something provocative on either side...

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(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:00 PM

This makes sense. I just ate some dried papaya and I think it was too sugary. I rarely touch fruit juice now and I do consume less fruit than I did coming into Paleo. I guess what a healthy, under-30 without diabetes person like me need do is just consume fruit in healthy moderation. Of course, it's the peak of fruit season right now so I'm not ready to curb that longing too much. Maybe by the time next summer rolls around I'll have a different appetite.

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(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 10:55 PM

There's one thing about me: I WANT to be hungry. One of my biggest problems pre-paleo was a lack of appetite. I felt like I had to force feed myself to avoid wasting away. My appetite is much better now.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on August 14, 2013
at 11:53 PM

Paleo does not equal low carb. A low carb paleo diet is the best option for some conditons.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:52 PM

Low carb (along with physical activity) is generally the best healthiest way to treat pre-diabetes and Type 2 diabetes. It also helps tremendously in reducing the levels of meds needed by Type 1 and insulin dependent Type 2. With the very high rate of inusulin resistance, pre-diabetes and diabetes world wide now, low carb should not be written off if any of these conditions exist or if their is a family history of those conditions.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:48 PM

And if your carbohydrate processing metabolism is healthy. If it is already damaged, activity may or may not be enough to compensate for carb intake. Generally activity helps, but if you have diabetes or pre-diabetes, be cautious with carbs and test to see what your body can take.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:44 PM

As to your last paragraph, Alan Aragon has a lot to say about fructose intake. His conclusion is not to worry about it with normal fruit consumption. 30 bananas a day is not normal.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:44 PM

Yes to the bloat. Many fruits are high in FODMAPs. I stick to berries and ripe bananas.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on August 14, 2013
at 11:42 PM

Fortunately the paleo=low carb crowd has mostly moved to the next fad. Nothing wrong with some fruit in your diet, especially if you live an active life.

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on August 14, 2013
at 08:56 PM

+1 for "get nerdy with me." :D

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Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

on August 15, 2013
at 02:42 AM

Fruit contains high amounts of fructose. Table sugar is sucrose, which stomach acid breaks down into glucose and fructose. Glucose is metabolized by every cell in your body, but fructose is only metabolized in the liver. When your liver metabolizes fructose, it elevates your blood triglyceride levels. As such it will increase cholesterol, inflammation, and autoimmune response. For that reason it might actually be less damaging to consume table sugar than fruit juice. However, fruit is still good for you because it contains high amounts of fiber, vitamins, and antioxidants. So paleo recommends moderate, seasonal fruit consumption.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:00 PM

This makes sense. I just ate some dried papaya and I think it was too sugary. I rarely touch fruit juice now and I do consume less fruit than I did coming into Paleo. I guess what a healthy, under-30 without diabetes person like me need do is just consume fruit in healthy moderation. Of course, it's the peak of fruit season right now so I'm not ready to curb that longing too much. Maybe by the time next summer rolls around I'll have a different appetite.

Fa4b934bc224b17784fe0ee36d153dcd

(168)

on August 16, 2013
at 12:41 AM

Absolutely agree. There are far more benefits to eating fruit than drawbacks, as long as you aren't trying to lose weight. It is a good idea to stay away from dried fruits, which are often higher on the glycemic index than candy. Enjoy the summer crops.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:05 PM

This is helpful. You've also provided some key words and phrases for further research, which the nerd in me appreciates. I think the dried papaya I just ate had too much sugar. I rarely touch fruit juices these days. I guess the take away is that a healthy, non-diabetic, under-30 guy like me can enjoy good fruit in moderation. Of course, it's currently the peak of fruit season and I love me some seasonal fruits. Strawberries, mangos, peaches, melons, etc... loving it. So, seasonal fruit consumption in moderation unless further research turns up something provocative on either side...

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2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on August 14, 2013
at 08:47 PM

Many people on here seem to always be after low carb diets for reasons that I don't quite understand. I eat moderate amounts of carbs, protein, and fat and easily keep a healthy weight if I excercise a moderate amount.

I don't feel hungrier any sooner when I eat fruit than when I eat meat of veggies. I actually seem to get and stay fullest when my meals include a little bit of meat, fruit, veggies, and starch.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:53 PM

Paleo does not equal low carb. A low carb paleo diet is the best option for some conditons.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:42 PM

Fortunately the paleo=low carb crowd has mostly moved to the next fad. Nothing wrong with some fruit in your diet, especially if you live an active life.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:48 PM

And if your carbohydrate processing metabolism is healthy. If it is already damaged, activity may or may not be enough to compensate for carb intake. Generally activity helps, but if you have diabetes or pre-diabetes, be cautious with carbs and test to see what your body can take.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:52 PM

Low carb (along with physical activity) is generally the best healthiest way to treat pre-diabetes and Type 2 diabetes. It also helps tremendously in reducing the levels of meds needed by Type 1 and insulin dependent Type 2. With the very high rate of inusulin resistance, pre-diabetes and diabetes world wide now, low carb should not be written off if any of these conditions exist or if their is a family history of those conditions.

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on August 14, 2013
at 10:59 PM

Fruits are high in sugars and so are problematical for people with carbohydrate metabolism problems, particularly those with diabetes or pre-diabetes. Some people with carb problems can limit fruit to the lower sugar types like berries, for some even that is too much unless in very small quantities.

IMO everyone should avoid fruit juices because they are such concentrated and huge surges of sugars without any of the accompanying fiber. (Its not at all difficult to drink the equivalent of 8 oranges, try eating that many!)

I would also urge people who are young and currently without any sugar problems to be cautious if there is a family history of diabetes since there is such a large genetic component to the disease.

Another issue to consider (and hopefully the nerdy will jump in here) is the affect of high fructose intake on the liver.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:44 PM

As to your last paragraph, Alan Aragon has a lot to say about fructose intake. His conclusion is not to worry about it with normal fruit consumption. 30 bananas a day is not normal.

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8708100b6b46ed3469330ddcc9a0fe6b

on August 14, 2013
at 08:17 PM

I avoid fruit because I feel like the carbs and sugar in it cause spikes in my blood sugar and it doesnt do anything to really curb my hunger. A lot of fruit also makes me feel bloated..

If I eat fruit I will still be hungry in an hour whereas if I eat meat or veggies my hunger is more managable and I can go longer periods of time without feeling like I MUST EAT..I get a better bang for my buck with turkey or some leafy greens.

I think that most other paleo people also avoid fruit because of the carbs and sugar.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 10:55 PM

There's one thing about me: I WANT to be hungry. One of my biggest problems pre-paleo was a lack of appetite. I felt like I had to force feed myself to avoid wasting away. My appetite is much better now.

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on August 14, 2013
at 11:44 PM

Yes to the bloat. Many fruits are high in FODMAPs. I stick to berries and ripe bananas.

1
B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

(134)

on August 14, 2013
at 08:16 PM

It is mostly only a problem for those with autoimmune disorders or small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:09 PM

Are there easy-to-read signs of small intestinal bacterial overgrowth or do you need to get tested to find out? I have all sorts of digestive issues that paleo seems to be helping with.

1f9b52f29960095986234231d91e1967

(529)

on August 26, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Am also quite curious as to how to detect SIBO, and whether it can be detected easily via certain symptoms/combinations of symptoms, or testing is necessary.

B120d28d9620626012de121b6075ce51

(134)

on August 27, 2013
at 04:03 PM

In my experience, symptoms of SIBO often overlap with symptoms of other ailments such as yeast overgrowth. It is important to be tested for it just to be sure that is what you are dealing with. I would be very wary of Metametrix tests however; this is the sort of thing you need to work with a Medical Doctor on, and I do realize that does sound difficult. These tests by Metametrix often produce dubious results, and it could easily be considered a scam in part with a naturopath.

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04a4f204bc2e589fa30fd31b92944549

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on August 14, 2013
at 11:13 PM

I've never worried about it till recently, when I realized I was eating so much fruit that it was taking the place of many veggies, and protein too. So I've drastically cut back, for the time being.

Medium avatar

(624)

on August 15, 2013
at 11:08 PM

On the flip side, fruit "wants to be eaten" and has few antinutrients where as most veggies contain varying levels of antinutrients. Cooking helps but really, what leaf would reward an herbivore? Why would a tuber want to be dug up? Nature wants us to strike a balance right?

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