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What do you think of the Fruitarian?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 30, 2013 at 4:50 AM

Are you are all familiar with the Fruitarian? What do you think of him? Nevermind that that amount of endurance running will likely significantly damage his skeletal system well before retirement, that amount of fruit consumption has got to significantly damage his liver and pancreas, no? Steve Jobs was a fruitarian as I recall...

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:50 PM

Yes 0g of both n3 and n6 at 1:1 is a wonderfully perfect ratio. LOL.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:49 PM

Earth to troll. I don't "follow" anyone. I apply the scientific method, I'll let you do the blind hero worship following. Keep squaking little bird, maybe someone will give you a cracker.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:46 PM

Oh, and BTW, I've been paleo for 3 years, no one fed me lies my entire life, but perhaps someone fed you some soy or seitan. Yes, I did look at the nutrition of eating an entire head of a lettuce a day vs 1oz of liver a few times a week. I'll stick to the liver, thank you. Far more nutrition and I won't have to poop a mountain of fiber and clog my toilets.

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on November 03, 2013
at 01:01 PM

Fat ratio of essentially fat-free foods… the realm of loonery. Too bad he's woefully fat deficient, even if his ratio is perfect. LOL

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on November 03, 2013
at 12:59 PM

It's entirely possible to raise a cow without a single grain of corn. (Though, I probably wouldn't raise my own cow that way.)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on November 03, 2013
at 12:57 PM

Bwahahahaha, acid/alkaline nonsense!

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on November 02, 2013
at 06:17 PM

careful with this reasoning. He's running ultras. His desire is to maintain a body to run ultras. It's not our place to judge his desired body comp.

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on November 02, 2013
at 06:16 PM

Tim Olsen, 2 time Western States Endurance Run (100Mi Trail Race, whose trail time is 3 horus faster than "The Fruitarian's" Road time [a side, The Fruitarian does not crack the top 100 (which is all the have results for) American 100Mi times, not sure where you got 7th] follows a low carb Paleo diet (other than gels on runs).

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:44 PM

I recommend the homo sapiens diet :)

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:44 PM

Humans are all the same, besides gender, extremely minor genetic differences, and age. There is more evidence to suggest that we are frugivorous hominids, than any other type of animal. You may not want to believe it, but there is no danger in consuming large amounts of fruit, this is medically documented over and over again. I just finished 14 large bananas blended with water, 5 passion fruits, and around 200 grams of sugar. I've healed my prediabetes & chron's eating this way.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 01, 2013
at 09:05 PM

Cool story bro.

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on November 01, 2013
at 09:02 PM

K, buddy. Your tired, grab some coffee so you have some energy to debate, for a minute or two. Im finishing a 2250 calorie 15 banana + half pound organic sugar smoothie, for lunch.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:57 PM

They did get 14 upvotes as a top post on AskAnthropology. I think you're at like.. negative 2?

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:55 PM

Hahaha not sure how you could even call that person an anthropologist, they parroted the same old, tired argument, that has been shown a fallacy time and time again, the expensive tissue hypothesis. Your boring me with your lack of reading comprehension skills here paleot, perhaps read the rest of my posts and you wouldn't be so shortsighted... wow your boring

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I like this anthropologist's take on Tony Wright -- "I mean this in the most polite way, but is that site you linked a serious one or a joke site?"

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:34 PM

Milk, Dairy, and Animal Products prime cause of osteoperosis "The primary cause of osteoporosis is the high-protein diet most Americans consume today. As one leading researcher in this area said, '[E]ating a high-protein diet is like pouring acid rain on your bones.'" Remarkably enough, if dairy has any effect, both clinical and population evidence strongly implicate dairy in causing, rather than preventing, osteoporosis.

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:32 PM

“animal foods, especially cheeses and meats, don’t contain much alkaline material” and hardly enough to “neutralize all the acids they introduce into the bloodstream; the body must draw calcium compounds from bone to restore optimal blood pH,” a measure of acidity. On the other hand, the alkaline material in fruits and vegetables, which are low in protein, can buffer that acidity. -- NYTimes article - yes a NYTimes article, but loaded with references.

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:01 PM

Yup Im the child here because I successfully run 2 of my own businesses and am opening a 3rd, a medical practice. Are you absolutely sure you didn't initiate this all, with the crackpipe, mom's basement accusations? Your an undercarbbed dipshit unable to refute anything using scientific studies, just a parrot at best. Hey though, being a parrot isn't so bad, they eat mostly fruit ;)

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on November 01, 2013
at 07:56 PM

No worries, I overreacted as well. It's interesting that you healed your crohn's with 80/10/10. A friend of mine can't even eat a single carrot without getting a flare.

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on November 01, 2013
at 07:30 PM

your out of your mind, your running purely on conjecture its fucking hilarious; my information is scientific, yours is paleo parroting; you haven't apparently followed Dr Neal Bernard with all of his peer reviewed papers on reversing diabetes with HCLF vegan diet, heavy on grains and legumes. http://www.nealbarnard.org/publications/

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 07:13 PM

Observational studies, lol, don't waste my time.

Yes, fiber slows down digestion, but those aren't people eating 15 banana smoothies and 10 cups of rice. Dates are not bananas, the sizes used in the test are very small, not 1Kg of sugar a day, but rather ~70g/day of dates - they're about 60% sugar, so ~30g of this is sugar, so less than 120kcals. These studies don't show what you claim about eating 15 bananas and 10 cups of rice and so forth. Keep posting strawmen, we'll burn'em all down.

Yawn!

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:57 PM

"Brown (1987) and Brown (1992) examined a Pleistocene-to-Holocene decline in brain size and body stature in the Australian hominid record that's comparable to the one we see in Europe and central Asia. He noted that even if we can attribute the decline in the Eurasian record to agriculture, another explanation must hold for the Australian one, since agriculture was never invented by the prehistoric humans there."

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:56 PM

"Beals, et al., (1984) examining the fossil evidence from a thermoregulatory perspective, concluded thatHomo have been de-encephalizing and getting shorter for about 100,000 years, which puts the start of the decline well into the Middle Paleolithic..."

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:48 PM

http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/12/coming-up-short-grain-blamers-and.html Shows how our stature has been diminishing way prior to any sort of agricultural revolution...

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:47 PM

http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-curtains-for-expensive-tissue.html

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:27 PM

He's just trolling. He's not missing the point, his goal is to lie and cause newbies who come here wishing to learn something about their issues to go to his vegan buddies' sites.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:26 PM

Bwahahahah! Like you pointed any real scientific sources for anything? Oh, and now you're pulling the "I (think) I make more money than you therefore I'm successful and you're not" card? Really? Your trolliness is showing.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:24 PM

"..foods like cheese and beef elevated insulin levels higher than "dreaded" high-carbohydrate foods like pasta. A single burger's worth of beef, or three slices of cheddar, boosts insulin levels more than almost 2 cups of cooked pasta.[75] In fact a study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that meat, compared to the amount of blood sugar it releases, seems to cause the most insulin secretion of any food tested.[76]"

Dates and whole fruits, have almost no effect on raising BG.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:23 PM

Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Anantharaman K, Flatt JP, Jequier E: Glycogen storage capacity and de novo lipogenesis during massive carbohydrate overfeeding in man. Am J Clin Nutr 1988, 48: 240-247.) and although the subject did gain a small amount of weight, 400g of carb calories were burned daily without any exercisesimply due to thermogenesis which many people like to discredit.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:23 PM

right, it's caused by raising your blood sugar until you create insulin resistance. eating a ton of fruit can do that.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:19 PM

You know I read your response wrong, sorry, I thought you said fiber IS very harmful to people with inflammatory bowel disease. I had chron's disease before starting 80/10/10 about 9 months ago. It has completely healed eating as much fiber as I do. I am not denying that some people can heal their IBD by going fiber free, I just thought you claimed fiber was harmful period, sorry for the misread.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:14 PM

Except diabetes is not caused by eating fruits.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:13 PM

I know several people in person who healed their IBD by going fiber-free.

Actually I am not paleo at all, my diet is probably more similar to yours, being relatively meat free and high in fruit and milk.

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:44 PM

There isn't just one type of fiber, and you provided no evidence to support your outlandish claim, typical of a paleo parrot.

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:39 PM

This generalization is wrong. Fiber can be very harmful to people with inflammatory bowel disease, there is no denying about that.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:35 PM

those so-called studies trying to link red meat to colon cancer are flawed - they're merely questionnaires asking "did you eat meat?" and count things like pepperoni on pizza as meat. they've been repeatedly debunked, just like that fraudulent china study.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:32 PM

and yet several more attacks by the sir troll. keep going, why don't you.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:31 PM

Oh would you look at that, a wild ad homeneim appeared, well played sir troll, well played, that will really help you cause... uh huh. So, does that mean that as a fruitarian, you eat grassfed pastured beef? :)

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:08 PM

If only there was a way to farm that didn't involve fossil fuels, monoculture, and confinement animal feeding… Aside from the confinement animal feeding, fruititarianism does no better. And when you tally loss of habitat, it's on par with CAFOs.

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on November 01, 2013
at 03:35 PM

You really are a dumbass who doesn't understand the implications of factory farming animals , or what goes into feeding those animals, no sense in arguing with a dumbass who has it figured out :)

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on November 01, 2013
at 12:02 PM

Marathon running is not healthy, it damages your health, but it is a whole achievement because you need to be very healthy and strong to go through such damage. I wonder why people do not think that people die as a result of overtaxing their bodies. Nobody says: of course he died, he went through a whole marathon so many times. I think that it was like 30% higher heart attack risk 24h after a marathon.

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on October 31, 2013
at 11:11 PM

I think you're just missing the point haha it's the high fiber diet in general that did me in. I didn't have ulcerative colitis before I started 811 so I totally blame it on that. I don't care about having little girl poops. I just want normal poops without pain and the more fiber that passes through, the more it hurts. it's actually not that hard to comprehend.

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on October 31, 2013
at 06:41 PM

I do look rather tired, don't i?

I have to admit though, it's an old pic, from my vegan/raw vegan days(1year total as . vegan, 2 months of which spent as raw).

sadly, I won't be uploading new pics, since my appearance changed quite a bit, and i rather enjoy my annonimity.

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on October 31, 2013
at 06:12 PM

Its sad to see the lack of critical thinking skills present in you two mongrels. Its like debating with illiterate bad breath zombies, Max its pretty clear from your picture your out of shape, look pretty tired in your pic.

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on October 31, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Had tou had any ahred of a brain cell left, you'd have noticed the image on the second link, which shows that homo sapiens and h. Habilis are related through a common ancestor.

yes, it was stupid of me to claim h. Sapiens evolved from h. habilis.

however, why do you ignore the fact that h. Sapiens originated from sub saharan africa, where there were no forests rich in fruit?

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on October 31, 2013
at 06:07 PM

hahahaha <3

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:59 PM

1 Fruititarian and 3 Vegan medicore athletes! I mean, wow, where do I sign up to be like that?

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:51 PM

There are no claims. Every fruitarian site I've been to, people always keep complaining about constant diarrheas, bad breath, acne, gaining weight, etc.

I've seen people ruining their bodies and futures because they think this diet is good for them, and being too blind to see the truth.

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:47 PM

Homo sapiens and homo habilis evolved from a common ancestor, which means they are related.

Unless you're a creationist, and believe human beings are actually the result of dirt puppets created by a sky daddy.

As for the oldest known homo sapiens fossils, they were found in sub Saharan Africa, commonly referred to as "A dry fucking dessert".(This is where I would add links, but apparently the site won't allow it)

Common veganazi illiteracy, claiming humans are frugivores.

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:35 PM

I meant like, no way! That doesn't happen, banana is smooth were not talking about durian shell or some grain that is microscopically abrasive... I personally think it was just you having to get used to pooping large volumes, versus tiny little poops some girls want to take. Its a good thing, running healing things through your colon, bananas certainly wouldn't damage it... Maybe not a good thing if your a porn star who wants to do anal scenes all the time, but for normal people looking for healthy colons, its a good option. ;)

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:19 PM

uhh I know. it was brutal. I have to limit myself with my banana consumption now. sucks because it's my favorite food.

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:16 PM

There is ZERO evidence to support either of your claims, lol. Homo sapiens is NOT related to homo-habilis. Nice try though, common paleo religious devotee mistake.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:59 PM

And apparently I can't reply to another comment thread, so I'll just reply it here:

The china study has been debunked thoroughly. The entire thing has been proven to be flawed, shitty and unethical science, with the entire data set warped to match the "researcher's" twisted world views. humans did not evolve in forest. Humans evolved in the Savannah, where fruit and vegetables were scarce, and there was plenty of meat to be had, and where we had no trees to climb, so we were forced to evolve a more efficient method of running from predators. enter bipedalism.

Fa14fbe0ac345e586fb407dbed9eda04

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:57 PM

Exactly, we are homo sapiens, and we evolved from Homo Habilis because we kept on hunting and eating meat.

Just because your tiny vegan brain can't comprehend this fact doesn't make this false.

There are evidence for cooking fires and bone fragments with bite marks on them which indictate that not only humans cooked their meat, but ate the marrow as well.

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on October 31, 2013
at 03:32 PM

Its incredible how butt hurt you appear, ignoring the evidence because it is in early stages of adoption, kudos to you, young homo-habilis emulating warrior; we are homo sapiens, by the way. :)

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on October 31, 2013
at 03:19 PM

LOL, no way girl!

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on October 31, 2013
at 01:09 PM

50 bananas a day is 5k calories, which is 13 pounds of bananas, or $10 (which is going to be cheapest way to do fruititarian). I get more nutrition from half the calories for 1/3 of the cost with a plant-centered omnivore diet. I'm also not destroying the planet with food shipped halfway across the planet. You eat twice your TDEE and yet you still are wasting. Pity me, my health and my efficient diet.…

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on October 31, 2013
at 12:57 PM

You know, I'm amazed at the number of elite athletes that aren't fruititarians! After all, it's completely obvious that fruititarianism makes you Superman. I mean, there's one fruititarian athlete and like 3 vegan athletes, their diet must be why they're so awesome!!!

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:22 AM

to each his own I guess. I know chowing down on bananas sure didn't help me. all the fiber is like chards in my poor colon. it was just pure blood coming out most days or I just kept throwing up bananas.

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:35 AM

I was thinking more of rotting, smell other than the necessary bit of fermentation you mention... There is no smell, unless I eat tomatoes, then my shit smells.. lol.. also cooked carbs move a bit slower and do make me have more normal shit.. but If I eat raw fruit and veg only, it moves right through and no smell.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:30 AM

tho fiber specifically does ferment in the gut...& that is a very good thing, we need to feed our bacteria friends & they repay us in spades (at least the 'friendly' ones do, the bad ones...not so much)

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:06 AM

Im calling shenanigans, absolute fear mongering. Banana island is the absolute easiest thing you can do for your digestion, next to an IV, but that wouldn't be contributing to a happy digestive tract.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:00 AM

'meat' itself does not really move through the digestive system, full stop...

proteins are pretty well broken down in the stomach & the chyme exiting the stomach is finished off (digested) in the small intestine.

i was reminded of this not long ago when i saw a BBC doco, were a guy swallowed one of those camera pills after a meal

089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

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on October 31, 2013
at 03:11 AM

tell that to my colon, buddy. meat and other animal products creates very little waste so it's the perfect food. gets digested in the stomach. fruit and veggies- especially insoluble fiber- ferment and create havoc in your gut.

I will never go back to fruitarian, that's for sure. I think banana island was the death of me.

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on October 31, 2013
at 01:20 AM

Ahh, thats why. Not sure who refers to things like that, but glad you could clear it up daz.

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 30, 2013
at 10:45 PM

you are both correct (but one of you is talking weight & the other calories).

@UncleLongHair is saying 5 grams fat per 100 grams edible weight (ie. 5% fat content by weight).

@LAFruitGoblin is saying 30% of calories from fat.

They equate to the same thing in a durian. data from the usda database or nutrition.com

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:57 PM

UncleLongHair you should really do your homework before correcting someone, durian is 30% fat

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:37 PM

oops multiple post...

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on October 30, 2013
at 09:09 AM

Durian actually has about 5% fat content by weight! not 30%

543a65b3004bf5a51974fbdd60d666bb

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on October 30, 2013
at 08:14 AM

is a fruitarian type diet expensive...just wondering if less fortunate families could afford to do 4-6k cals per person per day

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on October 30, 2013
at 02:16 AM

Yes we spread out from our fruit forest where we evolved, and were forced to subside on whatever would get us by. Obviously anyone can eat meat, if it was life or death, I would choose it to survive. If you read the arguments I proposed you would see your moot point is invalid. Its quite simple and groundbreaking, Tony Wrights scientifically concocted theory. I recommend you quit being so closed minded and think outside the box, evaluating in depth all scientific theories regarding our rapid expanision in brain size, 200k years ago; not in the homo-habilis era.

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on October 30, 2013
at 02:06 AM

It's winter. There's no fruit or vegetation in sight. I spear a beast with my high-nutrient cooked-food enhanced brain and survive the harsh conditions. I was born in it, molded by it. You forage around looking for 25lbs of fruit. There is none to be found.

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on October 30, 2013
at 01:57 AM

People use reductionist science to try and prove individual components of The China Study are incorrect, but largely miss the clear associations that are undeniable: meat and dairy are associated with severely elevated incidence of degenerative disease; furthermore, the genetic study I alluded to is brand new evidence that we shouldn't be eating meat. People love hearing good things about their bad habits.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on October 30, 2013
at 01:47 AM

Ah, that China study.. I like The Perfect Human Diet documentary's response to that. Jaminet and Kresser had good responses as well. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hiltzik-20131027,0,1228881.column#axzz2iyoimL3X

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on October 30, 2013
at 01:34 AM

You don't have to eat only high water content fruits like him, dates and bananas are easy for beginners to get into this lifestyle, just stay hydrated. Theres a new study that shows 1/3rd of humans have a genetic variant which predisposes them to colorectal cancer via modulation by red meat. This combined with The China Study, Dr Ornish's studies, Dr Esselstyns clinal results with heart disease, Dr Campbells with cancer modulation, its a clear choice to stick with the high carb low fat vegan approach to prevent almost all degenerative diseases. I wish you luck in your research..

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on October 30, 2013
at 01:12 AM

25lbs of fruit a day? Ain't nobody got time for that.

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on October 30, 2013
at 12:51 AM

http://www.fitnessgoop.com/2011/08/fruitarian-athletes-are-thriving-and-breaking-records/ that shows he eats 4-6000k per day, but I have heard it many other times.. I eat 4k minimum per day and don't exercise that much at all, I lose weight and gain muscle doing it... Carbs are a beautiful thing.

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on October 30, 2013
at 12:36 AM

I follow this guy pretty closely, I don't know why your doubting here exactly. I have listened to many of his talks, interviews, read a lot about him, he typically eats 6k cal per day. Other fruitarian "guru's" say that he can out eat almost anybody on fruit. He will eat an insane amount in one monomeal. Just because his breakfast is only 10 oranges, doesn't mean every other meal is that small; obviously he couldn't run the distances he does on <2k cal a day. I can try and find something else that shows how much he eats if you really want to, but Im positive.

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on October 30, 2013
at 12:30 AM

On http://www.thefruitarian.com/content/my-story under Can you give us a sample of your daily diet and lifestyle routine? "My day is based around my daily workouts. Upon waking, I usually drink about a li. of water. Then I might juice 10 oranges or similar high water fruit. I almost always eat 1 fruit in a meal by itself. I start my workout which is normally 15mi run to work. After my run, I usually eat 1-2 types of fresh, ripe fruit for the rest of the day, until dinner."

If dinner isn't calorically dense...?

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on October 30, 2013
at 12:17 AM

He typically eats 6000 calories per day... Sometimes more.. His salads are huge as well, not calorically dense, but tons of nutrition. He eats tons of high water content fruit, not 2k cal, normally 6k cal.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on October 29, 2013
at 11:52 PM

He says he often does 10 oranges for breakfast (~600 calories) then runs about 1200-1500 calories worth of energy . Afterwards he says he only does a couple kinds of fruit for lunch, then does another 1200-1500 calories worth back home, then a salad for dinner. How does that work?

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on October 29, 2013
at 11:09 PM

Sub 2:30 marathon time, 7th fastest 100mi time ever as an American, completed an insane amount of 50-150 mile races, runs 30 miles to and from work everyday. The list goes on.

Cf08ad26759fdd206a2c9f9385080a57

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on October 29, 2013
at 10:28 PM

What incredibly amazing feats has "The Fruitarian" accomplished?

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on September 01, 2013
at 05:07 PM

Sure, but high carb + high fat is a good path to putting on lots of fat - the only reason they don't is the chronic cardio.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on September 01, 2013
at 05:05 PM

He may have, but he was fruitarian very early on. Look up the episodes with Nolan Bushnell where they moved him to the nightshift because of the stench; he always claimed that a fruitarian diet wouldn't make you smell, so he didn't bathe.

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on August 31, 2013
at 04:00 PM

Indeed. The only long term (20+ year) fruitarian I know is pencil thin, complete with sunken cheeks. However he does seem energetic and has a glorious head of hair for someone in his 50s. He consumes at least a dozen varieties of fruit daily, with just a bit of veggies. He gives lectures locally on the wonders of fruit and the evils of meat. I don't think he is successfully in getting folks to convert, thankfully.

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on August 31, 2013
at 01:34 AM

He could be blown over in a slight breeze.

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on August 31, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Just being obsessive is enough to wreck your health...I wince every time someone comes here pimping 3 unrewarding foods, or "if you could only eat one thing". Our ancestors ate thousands of foods. Anything they could digest, and when food ran low, anything at all.

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on August 30, 2013
at 11:57 PM

+1 for extended vacation. I need one but not this one.

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on August 30, 2013
at 01:16 PM

I thought Jobs adopted a fruititarian diet after his cancer diagnosis.

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at 01:03 PM

Ahh caballo blanco. I loved that book and was shocked he died. I figured he was too fit!

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 30, 2013
at 11:52 AM

It's misguided and dangerous. Steve Jobs was initially a fruitarian, in getting ready for his role Ashon Kutcher adopted that diet, and got very sick from it. Steve diet of pancreatic cancer. Gee, what organ do you stress on a high carb diet, such as from fruit? Your pancreas. (Also your liver, since it has to deal with all the fructose.)

While anecdotal, it's very clear that humans require other nutrients, both macro and micro, and that the higher levels of fructose and glucose can be detrimental. They probably can last a few years on an all-fruit diet, but at some point, they deplete B12 and other nutrients and it all goes south. The higher carb intake certainly puts you on the path for type 2 diabetes in short order.

The other part of this is that they're runners - it doesn't look like they're sprinters, they're doing chronic cardio as the article seems to hint, that's another bad habit that will result in damaged hearts and depleted stem cells. Remember, the protagonist in "Born to Run" died suddenly of heart failure, and you can see that pattern all the time with marathon addicts. "He was so young and looked so healthy, why did he just collapse and die?"

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on August 30, 2013
at 01:03 PM

Ahh caballo blanco. I loved that book and was shocked he died. I figured he was too fit!

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on September 01, 2013
at 05:05 PM

He may have, but he was fruitarian very early on. Look up the episodes with Nolan Bushnell where they moved him to the nightshift because of the stench; he always claimed that a fruitarian diet wouldn't make you smell, so he didn't bathe.

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on August 30, 2013
at 01:16 PM

I thought Jobs adopted a fruititarian diet after his cancer diagnosis.

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on November 01, 2013
at 12:02 PM

Marathon running is not healthy, it damages your health, but it is a whole achievement because you need to be very healthy and strong to go through such damage. I wonder why people do not think that people die as a result of overtaxing their bodies. Nobody says: of course he died, he went through a whole marathon so many times. I think that it was like 30% higher heart attack risk 24h after a marathon.

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on August 30, 2013
at 01:21 PM

"You gotta be rich to eat this way. Who's going to come down here and spend $50 a day on really high-quality fruit?" Arnstein asks.

He says this after eating something called a Durian which they claim has a 30 percent fat content. So, you really have to fully expand the definition of fruit to eat this way, not just apples and organges. This is another diet like veganism that requires an insane selection of the most nutrient dense produce from around the globe to meet nutritional demands and desires they feel. This produce often has to be heavily treated with pesticide or fungicide to protect it while transported across the earth with environmental costs that throw typical vegetarian morality out the window.

Their protein argument, claiming that they only need amino acids anyway, isn't complete. I don't know exactly what it is, but without churning stomach acid production for meat digestion, a very necessary set of processes deteriorate with auto-immune consequences.

This is an extended vacation from omnivorous reality, sort of eating as a hobby. It's a good test of the limits of belief and fanatical devotion.

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on August 30, 2013
at 11:57 PM

+1 for extended vacation. I need one but not this one.

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on September 01, 2013
at 05:07 PM

Sure, but high carb + high fat is a good path to putting on lots of fat - the only reason they don't is the chronic cardio.

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on October 30, 2013
at 09:09 AM

Durian actually has about 5% fat content by weight! not 30%

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on August 31, 2013
at 12:06 AM

What do I think of the fruitarian...young, dumb, rich, obsessive, with no shortage of ready-to-use glycogen. Not me, ever. Healthy no. Fit yes. An omnifruitous version of durainrider, and a higher performance version too.

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on August 30, 2013
at 07:38 PM

I read the biography of Jobs...There are many memories in the book from him and people he worked with that he had crazy dieting patterns his entire life.

He went to India when he was young, and it really influenced him. http://health.india.com/fitness/steve-jobs-diet-is-arnold-ehrets-mucusless-fruit-and-vegetable-diet-even-safe/

"Even after he married and had children, he retained his dubious eating habits," Walter Isaacson his official biographer wrote. "He would spend weeks eating the same thing ??? carrot salad with lemon, or just apples ??? and then suddenly spurn that food and declare that he had stopped eating it. He would go on fasts, just as he did as a teenager, and he became sanctimonious as he lectured others at the table on the virtues of whatever eating regimen he was following."

There are some further ancedotes with Jobs where he would walk into a vegan restaurants, taste the bread, and walk out. I'm not sure what his vision of veganism was, but it seems to have varied in many forms throughout his life. After he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, I think the book says he began to eat fish, because he was wasting away and incapable of keeping the calories on.

Also see here, where some folks much smarter than I discuss the Steve Jobs stuff: http://paleohacks.com/questions/176530/frutarian-diet-pancreas-problems-the-ashton-kucher-steve-jobs-thing http://paleohacks.com/questions/69010/what-role-did-vegetarianism-veganism-play-in-steve-jobs-health#axzz2dNopdCFt

I keep coming back to Jobs because I think that it might suffice to say it might be decades before you see the effects of ultimate fruit feasting, fasting, juicing, ultra-marathoning, etc.... And who knows what the benefits/drawbacks are. Maybe Steve jobs really did get highs from his fasting, binging, and purging cycles...

I think Chris Kresser's anecdote about a client who restored his health is helpful here. he had been deathly ill and allergic to everything, underweight, and was eating like, lamb, rice, and cucumbers, trying to figure out things he could eat. And this client's health was getting worse and worse and so he stopped coming to the practitioner kresser was working with, and wouldn't you know? This guy's health had vastly improved - his skin was clear, he had put on weight, he looked happy.

Kresser and the practioner said, "well...what was it? GAPS diet? anti-candida diet? Specific carbohydrate diet?"

and the guy said, "no....pizza and beer. I thought, 'If i am going to be miserable, i might as well do the things I want to do, relax with my friends, and enjoy their company. and it helped me get better!'"

that the patient's health improved on pizza and beer is helpful here too. It sounds strange, but the moral of this story is that sometimes the right attitude seems to be far more important than the right diet. Sounds like the Fruitarian has got the right attitude

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on August 31, 2013
at 12:01 AM

Just being obsessive is enough to wreck your health...I wince every time someone comes here pimping 3 unrewarding foods, or "if you could only eat one thing". Our ancestors ate thousands of foods. Anything they could digest, and when food ran low, anything at all.

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on August 30, 2013
at 12:05 PM

Google fruitarian, and you will see tons of emaciated unhealthy looking people.  Our digestive system is much closer to that of a carnivore than anything else.

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on August 31, 2013
at 04:00 PM

Indeed. The only long term (20+ year) fruitarian I know is pencil thin, complete with sunken cheeks. However he does seem energetic and has a glorious head of hair for someone in his 50s. He consumes at least a dozen varieties of fruit daily, with just a bit of veggies. He gives lectures locally on the wonders of fruit and the evils of meat. I don't think he is successfully in getting folks to convert, thankfully.

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:36 PM

@LAFruitGoblin That may be, but there's no way his diet is healthy long term. All that sugar is going to bite him sooner or later, and it's dangerous that he's promoting what works for HIM, and it's especially dangerous that he's promoting eating only bananas for a month.

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:44 PM

Humans are all the same, besides gender, extremely minor genetic differences, and age. There is more evidence to suggest that we are frugivorous hominids, than any other type of animal. You may not want to believe it, but there is no danger in consuming large amounts of fruit, this is medically documented over and over again. I just finished 14 large bananas blended with water, 5 passion fruits, and around 200 grams of sugar. I've healed my prediabetes & chron's eating this way.

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:44 PM

I recommend the homo sapiens diet :)

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on November 02, 2013
at 05:19 PM

@alexnessy This is the typical kind of idiocy that really offends me, from the judgmental, without underlying knowledge, paleo devotees such as yourself. Your making fun of a kid who overcame 1x per month grand mal epileptic seizures and suicidal depression, after switching to a fruitarian diet; this is a child. Your making fun of a kid who tried to kill himself two times, because his life was so miserable from all the medications and grand mal seizures that completely annihilated him for his entire life until switching to fruitarianism, which completely alleviated his seizures, where he now gets none. Perhaps you should look into the reason we are all more lively than the paleo worshipers who don't even consider that their dogma is, unfounded garbage. Please research people before claiming to understand or call them crazy, just maybe, Tanner, a kid, overcame epilepsy with the lifestyle your bashing.

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on November 02, 2013
at 04:04 PM

Fruitarians seem to be outright crazy. There was a blog post on Mountain Xpress's website which had a video of a local "fruitarian" eating 30 bananas a day and nothing else. It's truly unbelievable. http://youtu.be/Msj-H-2GWJA

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on November 01, 2013
at 07:26 PM

You parrot a typical paleo fear of omega 3 and 6, this explains why you are wrong. Durian has a perfect 1:1 ratio, strawberries 1:1, bananas 1:1, blueberries 1:1, oranges 1:3, mangoes 3:1, flaxseeds 5:1, cantaloupe 1:1

"Also there are plant sources of EPA - there is a salad plant called Purslane. According to the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, one serving of purslane contains 300 to 400 milligrams of alpha-linolenic acid--four times as much as raw spinach and twice the amount in kale." Welch AA, Bingham SA, Khaw KT. Estimated conversion of alpha-linolenic acid to long chain n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids is greater than expected in non fish-eating vegetarians and non fish-eating meat-eaters than in fish-eaters. J Hum Nutr Diet Harvard says, "There are two major types of omega-3 fatty acids in our diets: One type is alpha-linolenic acid (ALA), which is found in some vegetable oils, such as soybean, rapeseed (canola), and flaxseed, and in walnuts. ALA is also found in some green vegetables, such as Brussels sprouts, kale, spinach, and salad greens. The other type, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), is found in fatty fish. The body partially converts ALA to EPA and DHA.

We do not know whether vegetable or fish omega-3 fatty acids are equally beneficial, although both seem to be beneficial. Unfortunately, most Americans do not get enough of either type. For good health, you should aim to get at least one rich source of omega-3 fatty acids in your diet every day. This could be through a serving of fatty fish (such as salmon), a tablespoon of canola or soybean oil in salad dressing or in cooking, or a handful of walnuts or ground flaxseed mixed into your morning oatmeal." http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/othernuts/omega3fa/#metabolism - great info About the flax seed worries you parroted: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/confirmed-flaxseed-contains-estrogens-regress-cancer addresses your concerns with multiple references. pichuberries are at whole foods and you missed the point, its not a problem with veganism, the b12, its a problem with our farming practices, and you really missed the FACT that meat eaters are more likely deficient in b12 than vegans! hahaha Your like Mark Sisson's personal parrot!!!!

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on November 03, 2013
at 01:01 PM

Fat ratio of essentially fat-free foods… the realm of loonery. Too bad he's woefully fat deficient, even if his ratio is perfect. LOL

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:40 PM

@raydawg you said, "right, it's caused by raising your blood sugar until you create insulin resistance. eating a ton of fruit can do that."

recent perspective piece in The Journal of the American Medical Association, Dr. David Ludwig cited observational studies that showed that increased fruit consumption is tied to lower body weight and a lower risk of obesity-associated diseases.

"Dates and whole fruits have almost no effect on BG" Dr Greger"The effect of dates on blood glucose showed that only the variety Tamesrit had a significative decrease on blood glucose (p <0.01)."

Dates do not raise blood sugar. Fruits do not cause a BG spike and have a very minor effect on raising BG, if any at all, this is due to the fiber.

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on November 01, 2013
at 07:13 PM

Observational studies, lol, don't waste my time.

Yes, fiber slows down digestion, but those aren't people eating 15 banana smoothies and 10 cups of rice. Dates are not bananas, the sizes used in the test are very small, not 1Kg of sugar a day, but rather ~70g/day of dates - they're about 60% sugar, so ~30g of this is sugar, so less than 120kcals. These studies don't show what you claim about eating 15 bananas and 10 cups of rice and so forth. Keep posting strawmen, we'll burn'em all down.

Yawn!

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:12 PM

@raydawg your ridiculously pathetic response only validates my scientific stance that much more. You are emotional and unable to see things objectively, stuck in your paleo dogma. You use zero scientific sources to validate your outlandish claims, just parroted dogma. Some day you will realize the horrible implications your dietary choices has on the planet and your body. You want to talk about success; surely your not claiming to be more successful than me as that would be ridiculous, as you have no idea of my financial success level, Im sure I own and successfully run more businesses than you, but thats just a wild guess :) . My karma ran over your dogma ;)

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:26 PM

Bwahahahah! Like you pointed any real scientific sources for anything? Oh, and now you're pulling the "I (think) I make more money than you therefore I'm successful and you're not" card? Really? Your trolliness is showing.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:02 PM

@LAFruitGoblin

Oh puhleze, we've been hunter gatherers for 2MY. Just because earlier ancestors evolved eating fruit doesn't mean it's optimal for hominids any longer. We left them trees, developed feet, walked upright, and hunted. Unlike fruit eaters, our brains developed, our jaws and guts shrunk because we learned to cook meat - we've been using fire for at least 1MY, and have survived ice ages.

Those apes you speak of would never have survived the ices ages in Europe, but homo-sapiens did and could, and some thrived in the ices of the north eating nearly nothing but animal flesh.

In an ice age, zero fruit is available and only game can be found. We clearly can and do thrive off a meat only diet. We are omnivores and can eat almost anything.

The only time you start seeing shrinking skulls is after the introduction of farming, this also adds to the evidence that moving away from hunting and towards farming is detrimental, and that grains have a negative effect, as can be seen in the teeth and skeletons of farming cultures vs HGs.

Beta-Carotene is partially converted to retinol, not "perfectly" - not a tough concept, it's a known fact.

Conversion of ALA to DHA from things like flax is also very poor, and flax itself is highly estrogenic, even more so than soy. You didn't even bother to address this.

Gee, I can't seem to find pichuberries at my grocery, good luck with finding those in the wild except in the few places they grow - if they're such a great source, good luck surviving where there are none. I guess lack of pichuberries is why vegans show up at doctors offices in trouble and get told to get some B12. How viable is such a diet?

I never said you should eat raw kale, you ASSumed. Cook it and the oxelates go bye bye and goitrogens are limited.

You completely ignored than 1oz of liver is far more nutrious than a whole head of lettuce. I know which I want to eat, hint, it ain't the lettuce.

Carbohydrate energy is an idiotic idea. Our bodies strongly regulate sugar levels, trigger insulin whenever they get too high in order to prevent damage to nerves, eyes, and organs. Muscle and liver tissues can only store a little bit, under a few hundred grams, you rarely find more than a teaspoon or so of glucose in the blood before insulin gets triggered.

If you consume more than you can store, you can only do one of two things: 1) burn it off (this mechanism breaks in modern SAD eaters), 2) store it in muscle, liver, or fat. As you trigger more and more insulin daily, you'll find muscle cells, then fat cells, then liver cells will no longer accept more - they become resistant, at that point, welcome to type 2 diabetes.

In terms of working out, something like an hour bike ride at high speed burns off only ~150kcals. If you're consuming a whole kilogram of sugar a day, or 4000kcals of sugar, you cannot burn that off, you can only store it, (or excrete whatever you haven't absorbed.)

Protein does trigger an insulin response, but it's much smaller than glucose due to glucagon.

Fat triggers no insulin response.

At the mitochondrial level, ketones and fats burned via beta-oxidation in order to create ATP is clean burning, where as burning glucose/glycogen causes reactive oxygen species; this is part of the reason that carb consumption is so dangerous: it caused AGEs or advanced glycation endproducts. You don't get these from eating meat, you get these from high carb consumption.

Speaking of fruit sugars, you'll find roughly half of the sugar you claim to consume to be fructose. Fructose is special, it's handled the same way as alcohol, i.e. the body sees it as a toxin. It can only be processed safely by the liver, which is an expensive operation that drains many liver enzymes. In such huge quantities, you have NAFLD to look forward to in addition to type 2 diabetes...

That said, I don't consume a zero carb diet, you'll find me eating several sweet potatoes in a given week, and some rice, bananas, and even honey here or there, but I stay under 150g/day, less on non-workout days, more on workout days.

The "tons of research" regarding problems with meat consumption has been shown to be false, they're merely questionnaires asking "do you eat meat" and never taking into account the type of meat (processed crap vs actual meat vs grassfed/pastured vs CAFO), nor other lifestyle factors such as smoking. Every few months one of these "studies" shows up and the media makes noise about. Big whoop.

In terms of my coffee consumption and energy levels, it's under 4c a day, various research points out that this is the sweet spot where coffee is beneficial on longevity and health, while more is detrimental and less has less of an effect. I also consume dark chocolate, I need neither for energy. I can fast without them and not feel hungry for many hours. There were days where I could easily go to 5pm without eating a single thing and didn't feel hunger. Yes, I do IF on most days. I suspect, if you eat like you claim, which I suspect is a lie, you couldn't last half an hour without eating.

Your nonsense about acid/base and meat being acidifying and plants being alkaline is newage horseshit, always has been always will be, whenever anyone sprouts it, run away. Eat nose to tail and you get plenty of minerals. Our bodies maintain their ph levels carefully, and automatically.

Spouting horseshit about if we take all the grain we feed cows and feed people instead is good for the environment is misleading. You can feed cows on pasture and it can and does scale and there's more than enough land for this to feed the entire planet and this would possibly fix global warming. On the other hand to grow grains as we have been requires tons of fossil fuels, and murders tons of mice, rabbits, turtles, snakes, and other wildlife as well as requires tons of extremely toxic pesticides, and harms water supplies as well as pollutes oceans from pesticide and fertilizer runoff. And since 80% of these crops are GMOs, they destroy the lives of farmers and infect clean crops with GMO genes which their owners will try to sue even though polenization happened by wind. And yet, you vegans espouse this nonsense as a good thing. Most of us eat pastured/grassfed animals, and other than white rice, eat zero grains.

You've been attacking people here, calling them names, you're clearly nothing but a troll with an agenda. Your nonsense isn't scientific and is ridiculous. I don't believe it's reasonable for a human to eat 1Kg of sugar a day and remain healthy, nor for that matter, consume 15 bananas, 10 cups of rice, and several heads of lettuce in a single day as you claim to do. A gorilla perhaps can eat like this, but their digestive system is far different than ours.

I don't believe you're actually eating this way, I believe you're simply trolling for fun. Put down the crack pipe, leave your mom's basement and get a job.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:23 PM

Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Anantharaman K, Flatt JP, Jequier E: Glycogen storage capacity and de novo lipogenesis during massive carbohydrate overfeeding in man. Am J Clin Nutr 1988, 48: 240-247.) and although the subject did gain a small amount of weight, 400g of carb calories were burned daily without any exercisesimply due to thermogenesis which many people like to discredit.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:48 PM

http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/12/coming-up-short-grain-blamers-and.html Shows how our stature has been diminishing way prior to any sort of agricultural revolution...

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on November 03, 2013
at 12:57 PM

Bwahahahaha, acid/alkaline nonsense!

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:32 PM

“animal foods, especially cheeses and meats, don’t contain much alkaline material” and hardly enough to “neutralize all the acids they introduce into the bloodstream; the body must draw calcium compounds from bone to restore optimal blood pH,” a measure of acidity. On the other hand, the alkaline material in fruits and vegetables, which are low in protein, can buffer that acidity. -- NYTimes article - yes a NYTimes article, but loaded with references.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:56 PM

"Beals, et al., (1984) examining the fossil evidence from a thermoregulatory perspective, concluded thatHomo have been de-encephalizing and getting shorter for about 100,000 years, which puts the start of the decline well into the Middle Paleolithic..."

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:34 PM

Milk, Dairy, and Animal Products prime cause of osteoperosis "The primary cause of osteoporosis is the high-protein diet most Americans consume today. As one leading researcher in this area said, '[E]ating a high-protein diet is like pouring acid rain on your bones.'" Remarkably enough, if dairy has any effect, both clinical and population evidence strongly implicate dairy in causing, rather than preventing, osteoporosis.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:47 PM

http://paleovegan.blogspot.com/2011/11/its-curtains-for-expensive-tissue.html

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:24 PM

"..foods like cheese and beef elevated insulin levels higher than "dreaded" high-carbohydrate foods like pasta. A single burger's worth of beef, or three slices of cheddar, boosts insulin levels more than almost 2 cups of cooked pasta.[75] In fact a study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition found that meat, compared to the amount of blood sugar it releases, seems to cause the most insulin secretion of any food tested.[76]"

Dates and whole fruits, have almost no effect on raising BG.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:57 PM

"Brown (1987) and Brown (1992) examined a Pleistocene-to-Holocene decline in brain size and body stature in the Australian hominid record that's comparable to the one we see in Europe and central Asia. He noted that even if we can attribute the decline in the Eurasian record to agriculture, another explanation must hold for the Australian one, since agriculture was never invented by the prehistoric humans there."

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:23 PM

@raydawg In regards to the seasonality of fruit, I have already gone over this in multiple other threads on this forum; perhaps if you had more carbohydrate energy you wouldn’t need coffee just to get through my post, or tea, or other stimulants. To summarize my point, homo sapiens evolved in Africa, and the oldest homo sapiens fossils have been found around East Africa, right next to the forest habitat (to the West, modern Congo) where primates, and hominids originally evolved. In this fruit rich habitat, fruit was available year round, and homo sapiens were fruit specialists; we seeked out fruit more intensely than our other frugivorous cousins. To quote Tony Wright talking about fruit and the forest shoots nutrition content, “Along with regulating gene transcription many of these molecules increase brain activity, modulate the endocrine system including the pineal gland, inhibit mono amine oxidase (MAO inhibitors), are antioxidants and also inhibit the activity of our own hormones such as testosterone and oestrogens. Just altering the activity of these two hormones has a dramatic affect on many aspects of our development, physiology and neural structure. For example, decreasing they’re activity extends juvenility and the window for brain development by delaying the onset of sexual maturity.

All this coming together would have many interconnected affects and, being that this bio-chemistry would be present in the developmental environment it would dramatically impact what develops at this most sensitive and rapid stage of brain/endocrine system growth in the uterus.”

You see, homo-sapiens brain size has been shrinking ever since 200k years ago, if the primal, paleo, meat diet was so appropriate, we would still be expanding in brain size, but the fossil record indicates this is not the case. I know it’s a lot to learn, so briefly. If you had read the latest clinical research, you would understand doctors like Neal Bernard MD, have been treating diabetic patients with a HCLF, vegan diet for years now. Type 2 patients are able to completely come off their insulin and other diabetes medicines, and the regression of their symptoms is so severe, if they stayed on their meds during their diet change, they risk going into diabetic shock. The problem is when people have high fat diets, and they try to add carbohydrates on top, this creates insulin resistance as clinical research has shown. There is an immense amount of problems with consuming animal flesh for your food source, heme iron toxicity, acidity, and mountains of clinical and epidemiological research showing its relation to cancer and other degenerative diseases. I eat 1000g of sugar per day and have reversed my hyperglycemia, contrary to what you have been brought up to believe. I encourage you to really examine your sources for your information, as most if not all the information you presented was lies and (meat and dairy) industry propaganda.

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on November 01, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I like this anthropologist's take on Tony Wright -- "I mean this in the most polite way, but is that site you linked a serious one or a joke site?"

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:23 PM

@raydawg I will try and make this quick and easy for you, you are incredibly misguided, and I try and pick my battles but I would like to inform you of the lies you have been fed your entire life.

Vitamin B12 deficiency is a problem that plagues meat eaters, more often than vegans or vegetarians; "In fact, contrary to meat and dairy industry propaganda, meat-eaters are known to be more likely to have a vitamin B12 deficiency - this has been known since 1959!!(1)" . I know this is a tough concept to grasp, but B12 is produced in healthy digestive systems, meat, oil consumption creates an unhealthy environment, acidic and toxic for beneficial biota. Beta-Carotene is converted in a perfect fashion, in a highly regulated environment, administered to the bloodstream and lymphatic system, perfectly. To further my B12, argument, not only is it produced by a healthy digestive system, it is also found in quality produce, where the soil's bacteria was able to produce it, these pichuberries have B12, Vitamin D, and large amounts of beta carotene(found in many other fruits and veggies, however). You recommend kale but this further demonstrates your lack of understanding of nutrition, kale is high in oxalates (anti-nutrients) and debatable whether or not its goitrogenic. You really should look into the nutrition content of 1-2 heads of romaine, iceberg, or butterleaf (all low in oxalate content, perfect for human consumption), and understand that there is more to intestinal health, cellular health than vitamin and mineral content. Rice, corn, beans, and potatoes, starch foods, are second best to fruit. Dr. McDougall's starch solution book demonstrates, through peer reviewed paper after peer reviewed paper, that the human body is also incredibly compatible with starches. Im so sorry your that incredibly hung up on beans that you would sing that horrendous tune, Im glad my brain is able to stick to facts without becoming emotional.

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on November 03, 2013
at 02:46 PM

Oh, and BTW, I've been paleo for 3 years, no one fed me lies my entire life, but perhaps someone fed you some soy or seitan. Yes, I did look at the nutrition of eating an entire head of a lettuce a day vs 1oz of liver a few times a week. I'll stick to the liver, thank you. Far more nutrition and I won't have to poop a mountain of fiber and clog my toilets.

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on November 01, 2013
at 11:57 AM

They do not live long enough to prove their point

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on November 01, 2013
at 11:06 AM

@LAFruitGoblin - was meant as a comment, but this website's broken again:

Where do you get your B12 from? EPA? DHA? Real vitamin A?What's that you say? Beta carroteen? Nope, that's not vitamin A. And we poorly convert it to vitamin A. I'm talking the real stuff. Good luck finding that from a plant.

What's that you say? DHA from flax? Nope, so such animal exists. Again, very poor conversion from flax or any source other than actual fish.

You've been doing this for 1y, come back in 10 years and see what the results are after you deplete whatever reserves of B12 you still have. Oh, what's that.

Rice, corn, beans, and potatoes aren't fruit, Mr. Fruitarian, despite singing "Beans, Beans, the musical fruit, the more you eat, the more you toot." Your tender leafy greens are the most devoid of nutrients out of the leaves out there - try some kale, or better yet, liver instead.

Oh, and what exactly do you do in the winter when fruits don't grow? Yes, I know, your supermarket has tons of fruit year round. Try that even 50 years ago. You'd starve.

B12 tablets? How wonderful is a diet that can't exist in nature and requires you to rely on science and modern industrial techniques to get you the critical nutrients you need to stay alive, and prevent your brain from shrinking, or has it already shrunk?

Icerberg lettuce 2-6% of calories? Now I've heard of everything, what, do u eat a whole head a day? LOL. Read'em and weep! A whole HEAD of iceberg lettuce vs 1 oz of beef liver. You keep on chewing that lettuce. Enjoy:

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2476/2

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/3468/2

Good luck with your future diabetes from your 15 bananas a day shake comes out to an average of 315g of sugar, or .7 pounds a day just from that, and that only counts your one shake and not the other fruit you claim to eat a day. So I call horseshit. You're either lying and trolling, or are on the fast train to diabetes and are too stupid to realize it.

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on November 01, 2013
at 06:14 PM

Except diabetes is not caused by eating fruits.

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on October 31, 2013
at 02:16 AM

@joanna 4 This is jibberish, fear mongering of a post, you certainly didn't develop ulcerative colitis with a fruitarian diet, that is nonsense. There is a reason meat doesn't move through your digestive system effectively without fiber, fiber is necessary for healthy digestion. Your so far off base calling fruit, abusive to the colon of all places, no intelligent paleo proponents would ever classify fruit as abrasive and abusive to your colon; furthermore, fruit is the gentlest thing on your digestive system, possible.

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on October 31, 2013
at 03:11 AM

tell that to my colon, buddy. meat and other animal products creates very little waste so it's the perfect food. gets digested in the stomach. fruit and veggies- especially insoluble fiber- ferment and create havoc in your gut.

I will never go back to fruitarian, that's for sure. I think banana island was the death of me.

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on November 01, 2013
at 04:39 PM

This generalization is wrong. Fiber can be very harmful to people with inflammatory bowel disease, there is no denying about that.

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on October 31, 2013
at 04:00 AM

'meat' itself does not really move through the digestive system, full stop...

proteins are pretty well broken down in the stomach & the chyme exiting the stomach is finished off (digested) in the small intestine.

i was reminded of this not long ago when i saw a BBC doco, were a guy swallowed one of those camera pills after a meal

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on October 31, 2013
at 01:58 AM

i'd be worried for his poor digestive system. we aren't mean to consume all of that fiber. it is like death in our colons. just totally unnecessary waste- that's why it comes out- we don't digest it. I developed ulcerative colitis after following a fruitarian 811 diet for 6 months. worst decision I've ever made and I regret it every day. I totally think it's from the 50-65 grams of fiber I was eating- tons of bananas, dates, and salads for dinner. just scraping my poor colon to death.

I am not sure how long his body will be able to take all of this abuse. I felt good for a little while on the diet and then it all went to hell. couldn't believe how sick it made me.

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:52 PM

UncleLongHair: Perhaps you should list some of the claims that you are skeptical of, I have been in this camp for a year now and as someone who works in the medical arena I can assure you the claims are substantiated in terms of health benefits.

To say not enough vitamins, or minerals, or fat is simple fear mongering. There are more minerals for one, in the fruitarian diet than any other diet. You act like all fruitarians are emaciated, Mac Danzig- UFC fighter is 811. You haven't done the same research to call our lifestyle extreme, thats what meat eating is to us; desperate, dated, antiquated. One person who has an eating disorder and can't keep the weight on is certainly not par for the course in fruitarianism. How an you take one 6'1" guy who couldn't eat enough to sustain his weight, and act like its normal? You can eat, rice, corn, beans, potatoes, as a food if you are unable to find enough ripe, fresh, organic fruit to sustain yourself. Nobody is advocating for anyone to become malnourished like that guy; he was a singular case who had an eating disorder, there is no other way to categorize his mistakes.

Some people try to achieve a level of purity while not adhering to logic regarding caloric satiety, men need minimum 3000k on this lifestyle and women need 2500. The women I follow and am friends with in real life, eat 4-6k, the ones that are doing their best and shredding weight, while putting on a quality physique. The men and women who are eating the most are the ones building the most solid physiques, and the ones who undereat, have problems with shredding unwanted weight, and in general are weak and lethargic compared to those eating a proper amount. When your emaciated and extremely malnourished, people often report a high, but that simply isn't the case for someone eating 4k+ cal a day, you can absolutely guarantee they are nourished if they are eating a range of fruit and vegetables. You are supposed to be eating 2-6% of your daily calories from tender leafy greens such as romaine, butterleaf, iceberg, or celery. Id love for you to discuss some claims that you feel are made by fruitarians so we can address them.

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:43 PM

Anybody without chronic conditions, keeping active, following their passions, staying out of stress, eating mostly whole foods, and under the age of 50 will be very healthy even if they are often missing important nutrients. IMO. Let's all compare when we're old, that will have more meaning.

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:35 PM

Daz: the fruitarian diet isn't that expensive if you nix going out to eat, and rely on certain fruits that are less expensive than others... Bananas are $20-35 for 40 lb's, dates can often be had for 11lbs @ $50.. Dates and bananas digest so much easier than meat or any other food its so worth it to do what it takes to eat this way. Iceberg, can be had for around $1.50 a head, basically focus on getting fruits that are in season at the time and use dates\bananas as a staple and you will be able to stay affordable for most. If you cannot afford that way, you can do dates\bananas for breakfast and lunch, then move to your salad, and then for dinner do a large meal of potatoes, rice, or pasta. Just think high carb, low fat vegan... Raw till 4 by freelee thebananagirl on youtube are some great videos explaining how eating this way keeps you lean, and obviously that way is more affordable than fruit all day; often easier for people to eat that way rather than fruit all day, but fruit is always best, potatoes and other cooked carbs are second best.

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:35 PM

Daz: the fruitarian diet isn't that expensive if you nix going out to eat, and rely on certain fruits that are less expensive than others... Bananas are $20-35 for 40 lb's, dates can often be had for 11lbs @ $50.. Dates and bananas digest so much easier than meat or any other food its so worth it to do what it takes to eat this way. Iceberg, can be had for around $1.50 a head, basically focus on getting fruits that are in season at the time and use dates\bananas as a staple and you will be able to stay affordable for most. If you cannot afford that way, you can do dates\bananas for breakfast and lunch, then move to your salad, and then for dinner do a large meal of potatoes, rice, or pasta. Just think high carb, low fat vegan... Raw till 4 by freelee thebananagirl on youtube are some great videos explaining how eating this way keeps you lean, and obviously that way is more affordable than fruit all day; often easier for people to eat that way rather than fruit all day, but fruit is always best, potatoes and other cooked carbs are second best.

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:35 PM

Daz: the fruitarian diet isn't that expensive if you nix going out to eat, and rely on certain fruits that are less expensive than others... Bananas are $20-35 for 40 lb's, dates can often be had for 11lbs @ $50.. Dates and bananas digest so much easier than meat or any other food its so worth it to do what it takes to eat this way. Iceberg, can be had for around $1.50 a head, basically focus on getting fruits that are in season at the time and use dates\bananas as a staple and you will be able to stay affordable for most. If you cannot afford that way, you can do dates\bananas for breakfast and lunch, then move to your salad, and then for dinner do a large meal of potatoes, rice, or pasta. Just think high carb, low fat vegan... Raw till 4 by freelee thebananagirl on youtube are some great videos explaining how eating this way keeps you lean, and obviously that way is more affordable than fruit all day; often easier for people to eat that way rather than fruit all day, but fruit is always best, potatoes and other cooked carbs are second best.

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on October 30, 2013
at 03:37 PM

oops multiple post...

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on October 31, 2013
at 01:09 PM

50 bananas a day is 5k calories, which is 13 pounds of bananas, or $10 (which is going to be cheapest way to do fruititarian). I get more nutrition from half the calories for 1/3 of the cost with a plant-centered omnivore diet. I'm also not destroying the planet with food shipped halfway across the planet. You eat twice your TDEE and yet you still are wasting. Pity me, my health and my efficient diet.…

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on October 30, 2013
at 09:36 AM

I am frankly just extremely skeptical of the claims made by fruitarians. Just because someone posts it on the internet doesn't make it true.

I suspect that adopting an all- or mostly- fruit diet initially can give significant health benefits from the cleansing aspect of it, and also the increase in certain nutrients and lots of sugar. This could be part of achieving some short-term fitness goal such as a new personal best marathon time. However long term there are just not enough vitamins, minerals, fat and calories to sustain a person and there is no way it is sustainable.

Certain types of exercise benefit from a high-carb, high-sugar diet, primarily endurance running and riding. Let's see one of these fruitarians try to lift body weight. And yeah I've seen the photos of the vegan body builder guy but I guarantee you that half of his diet is protein supplements.

By the way a particularly sore subject with me is people who adopt an extreme diet like this and then force it upon their kids (or claim to). It is one thing to be an adult and experiment with an unusual diet, but quite another to starve your own kids.

This bio gives a good example of what I think is the typical experience for a long term fruitarian:

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/bio/billings-t-bio-1a.shtml

Over a long period of time he mentions feeling healthy and euphoric, but also having constant cravings, being weak, near death at 88 pounds (at 6'1"), being unable to survive in a cold weather climate, and having dental problems requiring surgery. I am not sure about you but this doesn't sound like good health to me. Even after going off of the diet, and with a partially raw vegan diet, he still experiences cravings. This to me is no surprise - he is malnourished! It is so obvious.

I'm all for people pursuing their spiritual goals but don't try to convince me that avoiding nutrients is a path to better long term health.

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on October 31, 2013
at 05:51 PM

There are no claims. Every fruitarian site I've been to, people always keep complaining about constant diarrheas, bad breath, acne, gaining weight, etc.

I've seen people ruining their bodies and futures because they think this diet is good for them, and being too blind to see the truth.

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on October 29, 2013
at 07:29 PM

The Fruitarian and the feats he has accomplished are incredibly amazing. Im interested where the paleo people are that are running distances like Arnstein? I never have seen any but I would be interested to see some low carb people running on ketones able to do the same feats... It intrigues me that the paleo diet needs so much tweaking based on activity, some guru's say no carbs, some say lots, doesn't make sense to me.

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on October 30, 2013
at 08:14 AM

is a fruitarian type diet expensive...just wondering if less fortunate families could afford to do 4-6k cals per person per day

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on October 31, 2013
at 12:57 PM

You know, I'm amazed at the number of elite athletes that aren't fruititarians! After all, it's completely obvious that fruititarianism makes you Superman. I mean, there's one fruititarian athlete and like 3 vegan athletes, their diet must be why they're so awesome!!!

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on October 29, 2013
at 10:28 PM

What incredibly amazing feats has "The Fruitarian" accomplished?

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