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Paleo food pyramids

Asked on September 28, 2014
Created July 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

I am on my first few weeks of paleo and have only limited reading experience as well as minimal practical application, so if this is a some what beaten to death subject I apologise.

I was recently inspired to start a paleo diet, not because i agree with the premise of the diet, I don't think we need to avoid grains or legumes or dairy and do not find the arguements of some paleo gurus that we are evolved to eat certain foods backable or compelling. I think most people on the planet can eat bread and pasta daily and not suffer from them. I was inspired by people following paleo who I knew in my day to day life or knew online who were enjoying quite radical transformations.

I think the paleo diet seems brilliant for two reasons, ones other than some evolutionary theory I feel has no science to back it:

1. It is because paleo forces you to eat tonnes of nutritious food not because it removes a few neolithic foods that it is an amazing way to eat.

2. It develops control and personal responsibility in people and makes them really understand what eating to be satisfied feels like and illustrates what a big part binging on junk that never feels them up has to do with them bein fat, rather than blaming carbs or fat like so many fad diets do. After a steak and lots of green veggies and some fruit I am stuffed. After 2000 calories of white bread with spread and pop I am ravenous after 30 minutes.

Most of the people I know who have drastically improved their health, body composition and aesthetics through paleo have told me the same thing. Bottom of my food pyramid should be fruit and vegetables, all fruit, all veg. No restrictions, no carbphopbia.

The second rung should be lean protein in the way of all meat, poultry, seafood.

Third rung should be fats like olive oil, eggs, coconut oil, grassfed butter, nuts and seeds.

Ive been doing this and I am getting 100-200 grams of carbohydrate, sometimes less that 100 by quite a bit if I eat berries and avacado one daye for most of my fruit rather than another day when I have bannanas and mangos.

I get around 45-70 grams of fat depending how much red meat and eggs I have in a day.

I get around 50-150 grams of protein depending on just how ravenous I am for meat, I really feel the need for more protein when I have been lifting weights or walking around alot.

So I thought that this was paleo, tonnes of fruit and vegetables, some lean protein and fats. A wholistic, natural food template that cuts out nutrient difficient foods and makes you feel amazing, like it has been making me feel.

However i have browsed this site and read alot of blogs from paleo dieters and I am shocked at how much of the paleo community looks far more like atkins and binge eating fad dieters than people who have a high fruit and vegetable diet with good solid ammoutns of protein and a healthy ammount of fat to support hormones and overall health.

It seems a huge percentage seem to like cream, butter and hard cheese over a bannana, mango and pear. Some of this is argued by diabetics but this is something I just can't comprehend. One of the people who inspired me whith his transformation was a formerly obese diabetic.

He eats tonnes of fruit and veg, lots of fish and meat and like me a moderate 50-60ish grams of fat a day. He has reversed his condition and looks amazing. Yet I see blogs by diabetics who don't touch fruit and eat lots of ft and still have too much fat on them and are still unhealthy. They seem to basically gorge on fat, which I think is far more harmful than binging on fruit, which might have about 500 calories and lots of fiber and vitamins in a really big binge.

Where as alot of the low carb paleo folks like to blend butter in coffee, take the same ammount of calories, hardly any nutritional value and struggle to avoid the natural pull to delicious fruit.

This inevitably seems to lead to them binging on junk food every few months and feeling inredibly guilty about it.

Quite a few low carb paleo blogs I have browsed have this, talk about how bad fructose is, tlak about how amazing they feel with their butter coffee, then 4 weeks later, its:

Not posted in a few days, binged pretty badly on friday, had 2 servings of nachos, a pizza, 12 doughnuts and 1ltr of chocolate milk. Back to cutting out all carbs and sugar on monday, feel so sick, they are toxic, carbs are ruining my body.

I feel so sad and disillusioned with this trend, the cognitive dissonence of blaming carbohydrates and sugar for a fat persons problems with massive overeating of nutritionally deficient junk foods is so incredible and dishartening.

Not that it is putting me off my paleo diet, I love it, it makes me feel brilliant, but there seems to be a kind of binge eating carbphobic and scapegoat loving element to the paleo community which seems to overhype fat and villanise fruit and relegate its role in a healthy and enjoyable diet.

Advocating cutting out nutritional powerhouse foods in favour of tonnes of fat that are not needed seems to lead to unmanagable urges to binge on bad carbs, seems to foster eating disorders and also lets fat people blame carbohydrates and sugar fot their own problems they created through eating too many calories, too much food devoid of nutrients and eating far too often.

I would just like some responses to what is a very new thing to me. I would also like to point out this is in no way meant to be disrespectful or mean to fat people who do follow low carbohydrate diets, just a discussion and my views on them.

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on July 13, 2014
at 01:41 AM

tl;dr version?

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on July 13, 2014
at 12:54 AM

Hey Tex, great to hear about your success!

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on July 13, 2014
at 12:40 AM

Your discussion makes a lot of sense. I was doing the same thing earlier with eating a lot of fats . Now Ihave cut back on the fats and concentrating more on the fruits and vegetables which I was not doing because I was diabetic. My blood sugar has come down and I feel a lot better so I think you are on the right track. thank you for bringing it up.

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on July 12, 2014
at 09:30 PM

Would have been better off not including your life story in a single post. Either that or outlining specific areas better.

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on July 12, 2014
at 08:03 PM

They may have stopped after your opinion on evolution. Just look at dogs to see a part of it, new crosses are being produced all the time and some of them may leave the others in the past.

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on July 13, 2014
at 02:52 AM

You should do more research into the science behind "neolithic" foods before making assertions that they aren't harmful. Gluten has been proven to impair the mucosal lining of the small intenstine even in non-celiac individuals. This sets the stage for autoimmune conditions. There are many more examples but I don't feel like typing them all as this information is readily available on sites of nutrition gurus like Robb Wolf and Chris Kresser if you're truly interested.

Also, you need to understand that fats like butter are extremely nutritious if it comes from a pastured animal. Pastured butter is one of the few dietary sources of K2, which is essential and widely deficient in the population.

In fact, I'd argue that fruit is less vital to the diet than fats like pastured butter, fat from cuts of pastured animals, etc. You can get all the minerals/vitamins in greater quantities in vegetables than fruits, without the fructose. For example, I'll eat maybe a fruit a day, but receive more Vitamin C in my large serving of steamed broccoli than from an apple.

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on July 12, 2014
at 08:10 PM

@moors I support the theory of evolution, I meant that I don't support the opinions of robb wolf etc that paleo has a basis in evolutionary adaption to certain foods.

I was basically saying I like paleo but don't support the supposed evolutionary theories about it and that we need to remove neolithic foods, just that doing so is a good way of making sure you take in good amounts of vitamins, minerals and healthy protein and fats, because that is all you can eat.

I do not deny evolution :p

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on July 12, 2014
at 07:53 PM

No one want to discuss this, I find it quite interesting. Plus if my first post gets no responses I will be one of those guys:)

47cbd166d262925037bc6f9a9265eb20

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on July 12, 2014
at 08:03 PM

They may have stopped after your opinion on evolution. Just look at dogs to see a part of it, new crosses are being produced all the time and some of them may leave the others in the past.

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on July 12, 2014
at 09:30 PM

Would have been better off not including your life story in a single post. Either that or outlining specific areas better.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on July 13, 2014
at 01:41 AM

tl;dr version?

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