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Jiujitsu and vegans, making a poor diet a bit more optimal?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 28, 2013 at 1:53 PM

I have been getting good remarks from people at my grappling classes as far as positive changes to my physique since going paleo and then my own version of paleo where I consume around 300 grams iof sugar from fruit a day and eat around 100-200 grams of fresh fish a day.

Most of the people asking me about my diet are vegans because they see me using the blender at our gym with my bananas and berries and assume I too am vegan.

About six of us were sat around doing so0me stretching before class three of whom were vegan, one was a raw vegan, it always startles me the amount of plant based grapplers at bjj gyms.

Anyway they were telling me about their diet and it seemed very high in vitamins and fiber but not in much else. Now these people are all fit, infact much fitter than the average paleo advocate I meet in training who always seem quite chubby but I still offered them a critique on their diet, the number one being lack of any real source off protein. I said merely substtuting 100 grams of 100% natural peanut butter into their shakes instead of using just more banana or orange would dramatically help their recovery, sex drive and performance

100 grams contains

29.6g protein 8.5g fibre 46g fat

so for exampkle one persons diet was this:

morning shake

300ml tropicana orange juice 2 kiwis 6 bananas coconut milk

lunch

oranges apples bannanas pear

dinner

coconut milk pineaplle 300ml fruit juice

So I get they won't change their entire moral belief son they can perform better at jiujitsu. But If their diet was to look like this instead I think they would see a huge improvement while still being vegans.

morning shake

300ml fruit juice 75 grams natural peanut or almond butter 300 grams banana 200ml coconut milk

lunch

assorted fruits and veg as much as they can eat the higher calorie the better, advocados and bananas for fat and carb to fuel them before class

bjj 4 hours

post workout

75 grams of peanut butter 300ml juice 400g banana coconut milk

I really think this will offer them a hugely important way to recover and avoid injury and general breakdown of physical condition when training really hard.

I blame the gracies, particularly the grand master for his smoothies and juices bs that plagues so many BJJ practitioners.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 29, 2013
at 03:27 PM

When someone says high sugar diet is bad for performance is it ok to stop debating? :P

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 29, 2013
at 02:29 AM

If he's burning a significant amount of calories, it doesn't mater the source. 50% of his diet is fruit? Doesn't sound bad at all.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 29, 2013
at 01:30 AM

High sugar diets are horrible for performance. The body does much better using fat for most of its energy, sparing glycogen for strictly extremely intense work.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 29, 2013
at 01:29 AM

At GruffaloUnchained. Feel free to look me up sometime in Boulder, and I will do some mountain runs with you that will exhaust you. BTW, I am 145, 5'7" and 6.5% bodyfat.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 28, 2013
at 09:25 PM

No, I did not say any of that. Please read my sentence again if you didn't understand it.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 09:18 PM

I would expect some sort of scientific evidence to compete with the vast amount of research done supporting the benefits of a high carb/sugar diet and at least disagree based on something other than dogma. Are you really saying fruit makes people fat? Are you really saying high sugar diets are not the most effective for performance?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 28, 2013
at 08:57 PM

Gruffalo, if you think this is the place to find support of massive doses of sugar, you are just wrong.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 08:53 PM

If I don't get tonnes of simple sugars I don't perform or recover as well as I can

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on July 28, 2013
at 06:41 PM

+1 - what you said. Would also add that peanut butter, natural (or not) isn't something good. Beyond the peanuts are legumes, there's the whole aflatoxin bit too.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 03:24 PM

With respect to your accomplishments, being strong at a bench press or a squat hardly has the same nutritional demands as someone doing four hours of jiujitsu, and conditioning work like 5 mile runs, hill sprints and such. Intact some of the strongest people in the world train near me at Olympic gym and they are out of shape slobs who happen to squat over a thousand pounds.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 28, 2013
at 02:35 PM

I know plenty of respected athletes that do not eat tons of sugar. I don't and I am the current raw bench press record holder for the state of Colorado with Natural Athlete Strength Association.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 02:15 PM

I don't know a single respected athlete or trainer alive that will tell you that huge levels of sugar do not help athletic performance. Even berardi reccomends gatorade for wrestlerws post and prior to wrestling for peak performance, this way is just a healthier way to do the same thing. They are not arsed about being 80 years old, they want to perform and feel great. I see no evidence meat is necessary for that. I only eat fish and I feel miles better than when I ate red meat. Mine is not for moral reasons and every now and then I will throw meat back in but I never see improvement

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Cbda678b2a6bf0537d8c4ea0ce8aa9ad

(4319)

on July 28, 2013
at 08:38 PM

that 300 grams of sugar from fruit per day is downright scary.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 29, 2013
at 01:30 AM

High sugar diets are horrible for performance. The body does much better using fat for most of its energy, sparing glycogen for strictly extremely intense work.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on July 29, 2013
at 02:29 AM

If he's burning a significant amount of calories, it doesn't mater the source. 50% of his diet is fruit? Doesn't sound bad at all.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 28, 2013
at 09:25 PM

No, I did not say any of that. Please read my sentence again if you didn't understand it.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 09:18 PM

I would expect some sort of scientific evidence to compete with the vast amount of research done supporting the benefits of a high carb/sugar diet and at least disagree based on something other than dogma. Are you really saying fruit makes people fat? Are you really saying high sugar diets are not the most effective for performance?

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 08:53 PM

If I don't get tonnes of simple sugars I don't perform or recover as well as I can

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 29, 2013
at 03:27 PM

When someone says high sugar diet is bad for performance is it ok to stop debating? :P

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10480)

on July 28, 2013
at 08:57 PM

Gruffalo, if you think this is the place to find support of massive doses of sugar, you are just wrong.

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C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 28, 2013
at 02:10 PM

No matter what they eat, they will have some deficiencies due to such a limited diet, and their avoidance of meat. As for doing all of your meals in smoothie form, that in and of itself is not the greatest idea. It seems like what you recommend is not even the healthiest version of veganism possible due to the over abundance of sugar water (fruit juice). Sure, fruit in whole form is fairly healthy, but there is no need for fruit juice. Also, just because someone looks healthier than you does not mean their way of eating is better for the body or for performance.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 02:15 PM

I don't know a single respected athlete or trainer alive that will tell you that huge levels of sugar do not help athletic performance. Even berardi reccomends gatorade for wrestlerws post and prior to wrestling for peak performance, this way is just a healthier way to do the same thing. They are not arsed about being 80 years old, they want to perform and feel great. I see no evidence meat is necessary for that. I only eat fish and I feel miles better than when I ate red meat. Mine is not for moral reasons and every now and then I will throw meat back in but I never see improvement

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 29, 2013
at 01:29 AM

At GruffaloUnchained. Feel free to look me up sometime in Boulder, and I will do some mountain runs with you that will exhaust you. BTW, I am 145, 5'7" and 6.5% bodyfat.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

(19413)

on July 28, 2013
at 06:41 PM

+1 - what you said. Would also add that peanut butter, natural (or not) isn't something good. Beyond the peanuts are legumes, there's the whole aflatoxin bit too.

9f52f85c3964445d7b16c94a890f6136

on July 28, 2013
at 03:24 PM

With respect to your accomplishments, being strong at a bench press or a squat hardly has the same nutritional demands as someone doing four hours of jiujitsu, and conditioning work like 5 mile runs, hill sprints and such. Intact some of the strongest people in the world train near me at Olympic gym and they are out of shape slobs who happen to squat over a thousand pounds.

C45d7e96acd83d3a6f58193dbc140e86

on July 28, 2013
at 02:35 PM

I know plenty of respected athletes that do not eat tons of sugar. I don't and I am the current raw bench press record holder for the state of Colorado with Natural Athlete Strength Association.

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