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In defence of apples: how do you feel?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 03, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Some say they are 'sugar bombs', some think they are natures gift, certainly they can be quite polarizing within this community.

Here is an interesting article on the effects of an apple a day keeping the....(well you get it). In light of this info how do you feel about eating apples regularly? does it fit snugly into your world view? how do you justify either way?

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EDIT: 1 medium apple: 95Kcal, 18.9g sugar (10g fructose), 4.4g fiber (I assume mostly soluble), no real fat or protien to speak of (unless you count the SCFA you absorb from the 4.4 g of soluble fiber, which I think you should), and a slew of polyphenols. Along with the apparent ability to lower oxidized LDL almost 25% how can there still be any (rational) argument against eating them other than personal preference. If paleo is truly about optimal health/longevity (not vanity) there must be converts on the subject.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on October 04, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Lol it's just nutrition guys. Not a big deal.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 10:25 PM

OT, but glycemic index is broscience.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Dan, you make it sound like doing it repeatedly is ok. It just makes it worse in my book. I would seek out his other posts and downvote them. If I cared.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 10:21 PM

If I wanted to discuss semantics I wouldn't be here.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on October 03, 2012
at 08:11 PM

Love this: "I'd rather enjoy a few apples than worry about looking good in a bikini in October in New York."

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on October 03, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Love this: "I'd rather enjoy a few apples then worry about looking good in a bikini in October in New York."

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on October 03, 2012
at 08:09 PM

Wow...a sensible answer. Seems to be a rarity around here sometimes. :)

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on October 03, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Upvote for entertainment value.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on October 03, 2012
at 06:58 PM

I did no such thing

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on October 03, 2012
at 06:52 PM

better than being pedantic

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on October 03, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Yeah, I love it when people make sweeping generalizations about foods phrased in a way that assures that "you" won't (or will) have problems with a food.

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on October 03, 2012
at 06:21 PM

I knew that argument would come up, but I personally never thought of any of the rest of those things as healthy. They were just okay. Apples, though... it seemed like nothing except greens could be healthier. I'm not saying that we shouldn't question it, but personally, avoiding apples falls outside of the realm of sacrifices I'm willing to live with. "Live the healthiest life you're happy living."

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on October 03, 2012
at 06:16 PM

When I was a kid, we used to think that Wheaties and Cheerios were very healthy. And lunches always had sandwiches of bologna or PB&J. And an apple. And a bag of Fritos. That was a very healthy lunch. Or so we thought. We question everything in paleo. And sometimes we get it wrong.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:50 PM

... that is in fact your justifcation... you like them and dont think they have a large effect positive or negative so you don't worry about it. You may have been confused with "rationalizing"

F694fc245d03b64d6936ddb29f4c9306

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:50 PM

Maybe I'm not hardcore Paleo enough, but it flabbergasts me that the stalwart health foods of my childhood come under such fire in Paleo. When I was a kid, I thought that apples were a necessary, salubrious part of a diet. I mean, an apple is a whole, natural fruit with nutrients, antioxidants, and a relatively low glycemic index. It seems like we lambaste anything with a single molecule of carbohydrate clinging to it.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:39 PM

Then you can eat the goats.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:38 PM

There is a huge difference between cellular and acellular carbohydrate: http://huntgatherlove.com/content/acellular-versus-cellular-carbohydrates-and-endotoxins Once your are broken or diseased, all bets are off. I'm T2 diabetic. I still eat some fruit, but not a lot. Apples, and fruit in general, should be very healthy, in the context of an ancestral type of diet for someone not fighting a chronic gut or metabolic issue.

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:32 PM

Careful, nada. Personal attacks can get you banned.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:29 PM

aw man, I should've said "make me, bitch" XD

8425f2fefc608f58a8cc0f2dcaa93341

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on October 03, 2012
at 04:39 PM

Down vote for link whoring

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:45 PM

Wisper- he always link whores.

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:14 PM

@Whisper, Thank for adding to the discussion. As to the other comment that was actually relevant about indigestion. I haven't noticed any issues personally on the occasions that I mix the pork with the cooked apples.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Love apples with pork!

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Probably because of the gratuitous link whoring. Here's another -1 for it.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Yeah, I love it when people with clinical issues come out of the woodwork whenever someone makes a general statement clearly not meant to cover every outlier.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on October 03, 2012
at 02:57 PM

LOL BoneBrothFast, I love you brother, but most people here aren't gonna easily take in the entheogen theory of religion. I hope you have outlets for that kind of thinking, like https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/, bluelight.ru, and http://www.shroomery.org/forums/. And though I happen to agree with you on apples, the way you put it was simplistic and offered no real backing.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on October 03, 2012
at 02:53 PM

I'm guessing this was downvoted because fruit with meat is usually an indigestion-y combo.

8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

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on October 03, 2012
at 02:49 PM

Pretty sure nada didn't mean people of unusual circumstance....

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on October 03, 2012
at 01:48 PM

nah. .

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on October 03, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Say that to someone with FODMAPs issues.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on October 03, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Exactly this. They can be part of a healthy diet, but can do horrible things to diabetics.

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8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:15 PM

If you aren't overweight, don't have dietary restrictions on apples, and don't experience discomfort after eating apples....an apple a day should be fine! I suggest organic, as apparently they are one of the Dirty Dozen in regards to pesticide residues. Also, consider eating them when they're in season for best quality and flavor. I eat them fairly regularly with no ill effect. Unless I eat LOTS of fresh fruit (fiber overload!), I'm good to go. It's generally suggested that if you're trying to lose fat, you should keep your fruit intake low. Apples aren't TOO high in sugar, but they aren't as low as berries. But, apples are affordable most of the time (unlike berries, especially out of season), kids will usually readily eat them, even dogs love them as a treat! So sure. Eat the apple! But like any other food, don't overeat them, or cover them in Bad Things (evil sugar! evil grains! evil peanut butter!). ;-)

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on October 03, 2012
at 08:09 PM

Wow...a sensible answer. Seems to be a rarity around here sometimes. :)

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449e19bbd371a87b653b9b8b56736005

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on October 03, 2012
at 02:29 PM

I usually have to eat an apple first thing in the morning, because it's the only thing that doesn't give me an aversion. It has to be a sweet/tart apple like a honeycrisp, sometimes granny smith. Once I have an apple and my blood sugar is up a bit, I can then go eat my eggs and bacon without issue. They've been very helpful for this pregnancy. I love apples (except for the mealy kinds) and often make sugar-free apple butter when I get too many. My kids love it. I say if it doesn't hurt you to eat apples, then go for it, just don't go crazy with them - much like dozens of other foods out there, moderation and knowing your own body is usually the key.

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2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on October 03, 2012
at 01:45 PM

it can easily be a part of a healthy diet. an apple a day won't hurt you.

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

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on October 03, 2012
at 06:58 PM

I did no such thing

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 03, 2012
at 05:29 PM

aw man, I should've said "make me, bitch" XD

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 03, 2012
at 03:01 PM

Yeah, I love it when people with clinical issues come out of the woodwork whenever someone makes a general statement clearly not meant to cover every outlier.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on October 03, 2012
at 06:47 PM

Yeah, I love it when people make sweeping generalizations about foods phrased in a way that assures that "you" won't (or will) have problems with a food.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on October 03, 2012
at 05:32 PM

Careful, nada. Personal attacks can get you banned.

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on October 03, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Say that to someone with FODMAPs issues.

8634d4988ced45a68e2a79e69cc01835

(1617)

on October 03, 2012
at 02:49 PM

Pretty sure nada didn't mean people of unusual circumstance....

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 03, 2012
at 06:52 PM

better than being pedantic

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on October 03, 2012
at 01:48 PM

nah. .

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

(5150)

on October 04, 2012
at 12:42 AM

Lol it's just nutrition guys. Not a big deal.

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on October 03, 2012
at 02:30 PM

I eat apples occasionally, especially with pork. I view them as a treat and not a staple of my diet. Most things in excess will be harmful too you, however if some apples here and there are the worst things in your diet, you are fine.

Matt
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on October 03, 2012
at 04:39 PM

Down vote for link whoring

06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on October 03, 2012
at 03:14 PM

@Whisper, Thank for adding to the discussion. As to the other comment that was actually relevant about indigestion. I haven't noticed any issues personally on the occasions that I mix the pork with the cooked apples.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on October 03, 2012
at 03:45 PM

Wisper- he always link whores.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 03, 2012
at 03:05 PM

Probably because of the gratuitous link whoring. Here's another -1 for it.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on October 03, 2012
at 10:22 PM

Dan, you make it sound like doing it repeatedly is ok. It just makes it worse in my book. I would seek out his other posts and downvote them. If I cared.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on October 03, 2012
at 03:10 PM

Love apples with pork!

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

(3979)

on October 03, 2012
at 02:53 PM

I'm guessing this was downvoted because fruit with meat is usually an indigestion-y combo.

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on October 03, 2012
at 01:29 PM

When I eat them my blood glucose level goes up noticeably. If I weren't a type II diabetic I would eat them, since I have a couple of nice apple trees. They end up being eaten by the goats.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on October 03, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Exactly this. They can be part of a healthy diet, but can do horrible things to diabetics.

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:39 PM

Then you can eat the goats.

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:15 PM

I love apples, especially baked apples. I understand that Peatarians suggest not eating them raw at any time for some issue related to the pectin (that apparently breaks down when cooked?) but I didn't really understand it. If this just comes down to eating fruit or not, I have been increasing the amount the fruit and berries I have been eating lately with much success and feeling great all day. I never feel a sugar buzz from them like I do from white rice when I have it, even when I am eating grapes which are pretty high sugar. I'd say to eat what feels good.

One thing about apples that is great is that they store really well in cold storage allowing for local apples to be available most of the year (especially here in NY and other big apple producing regions).

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:06 PM

I have no problems with eating whole apples, and I typically do eat one a day. What I avoid is fresh apple cider, which allows me to easily consume the sugar from more apples than I would eat whole.

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9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:03 PM

I don't justify it at all. I just eat an apple a few times a week and don't worry about it.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on October 03, 2012
at 10:21 PM

If I wanted to discuss semantics I wouldn't be here.

81181cab058dd652659e4bb2e6f25843

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on October 03, 2012
at 05:50 PM

... that is in fact your justifcation... you like them and dont think they have a large effect positive or negative so you don't worry about it. You may have been confused with "rationalizing"

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on October 03, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Just my personal experience, since going Paleo a few years back I cannot eat apples of any kinda now, if I do I get horrible gastric distress. Used to love the tart granny smith apples too.

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on October 03, 2012
at 04:15 PM

I only eat apples in the fall. Mostly because I hate the taste of apple that didn't ripen naturally. I am hypoglycemic and tend to have elevated sugar levels if I eat an apple without protein or on an empty stomach. However, given that I only eat apples in the fall I tend to go a little over board on them for about a month then I'm over it. My weight does increase a little but I figure it's supposed to in the fall anyways. I don't sweat the little stuff. I'd rather enjoy a few apples then worry about looking good in a bikini in October in New York. :P

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on October 03, 2012
at 08:11 PM

Love this: "I'd rather enjoy a few apples than worry about looking good in a bikini in October in New York."

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on October 03, 2012
at 08:10 PM

Love this: "I'd rather enjoy a few apples then worry about looking good in a bikini in October in New York."

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194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on October 03, 2012
at 03:03 PM

Apples in the United States were used solely for the production of cider up until prohibition. It was then that apples started to hit the market as food. What else could apple farmers do with their crop, legally? This is where "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" came from.

I am convinced that we had it right the first time. Cider was a naturally fermented food that was significantly lower in sugar (sugar was digested by microorganisms in the fermentation process), and high in enzymes, nutrients and whatnot. It was probably ideal to sip it following a meal, as the acidity and enzymes could help with digestion.

Oh, and personally, apples make my blood sugar spike higher than I'd like it to.

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0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

on October 03, 2012
at 01:42 PM

Apples suck and they weren't the "Forbidden Fruit" in the Garden of Eden - that was a mushroom.

I used to go apple picking as a little girl and I hated it! Every September-November, we'd go apple picking and my mom is cheap so we would get ridiculous amounts of apples. Then we would take them back downstate and make apple cider and apple pie and I think that explains my aversion to fructose nowadays.

My parents poisoned me with fructose as a child and because of this I will NEVER date a raw vegan/fruitarian/frugavore.

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on October 03, 2012
at 07:45 PM

Upvote for entertainment value.

194d8e8140425057fe06202e1e5822a7

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on October 03, 2012
at 02:57 PM

LOL BoneBrothFast, I love you brother, but most people here aren't gonna easily take in the entheogen theory of religion. I hope you have outlets for that kind of thinking, like https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/, bluelight.ru, and http://www.shroomery.org/forums/. And though I happen to agree with you on apples, the way you put it was simplistic and offered no real backing.

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