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How to eat so little carbs??

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created October 17, 2012 at 7:36 PM

My body functions sooo wonderfully on tons of fruits and veggies. A pretty typical day looks like this for me:

breakfast: 3 paleo pancakes (1egg+1banana+cinnamon+vanilla for batter) + a couple tbls of nuts + tons of warmed berries on top

Snack: an apple

Lunch: a huge salad with either fruit and nuts or tuna and veggies on top. Or sometimes I top the salad with eggs and veggies. Either way, I use lettuce, spinach, shredded carrots and cucumbers as the base then add more stuff.

Dinner: 3 egg omelet with veggies and beef and a green smoothie with some greek yogurt and peanut butter in it.

Anyway, this has me at around 50% of my calories from carbs which the paleo comminity seems to view as too much. How do you guys get less carbs while still eating plenty of raw fruits and veggies? My body seems to crave the veggies and sometimes I will not feel full until I eat them, no matter how much meat and fat I have had that day. Does this diet seem healthy to you guys and does anyone else focus on getting a couple meals a day of mostly raw veggies and fruits?

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on October 19, 2012
at 09:51 PM

August, an enjoyable read through. From this, the evidence one might presume supports a metabolic advantage are studies showing biologically isolated phenomena. If you mean to show an actual metabolic advantage, you must account for all systems, e.g., by finding a dietary trial where a low carb diet was shown to produce more weight loss when calories are equal.

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on October 19, 2012
at 09:51 PM

August, an enjoyable read through. From this, the evidence one might presume supports a metabolic advantage are studies showing biologically isolated phenomena. If you mean to show an actual metabolic advantage, you must account for all systems, e.g., by finding a dietary trial where a low carb was shown to produce more weight loss.

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on October 19, 2012
at 02:48 AM

James, that's not at all what I said. The fructose (SUGAR) is what I was referring to. Dumbshit.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 18, 2012
at 11:22 PM

Potatoes are tubers. Why wouldnt they be paleo?

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 18, 2012
at 11:19 PM

300 might be a little high. Maybe you have a sweet tooth like me, and hence the POM juice (which BTW, has 74 grams of sugar carbs per bottle) and loads of fruit.Unsweetened cranberry juice is genuinely low sugar, but most juices are as sugary as coke. Aint nothing wrong with 200 grams if your active IMO. Or even sugary foods pre- or post work out. But I personally feel like 300 might be a little high, and maybe its a little much. Its still likely not as bad as the 60% recommended by the food pyramid, and IMO, most carbs are mediated by activity as well. Up to you..

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 18, 2012
at 11:11 PM

Probably the nuts you are eating are the carby ones. There are lots of nuts that are lower carb, like walnut, brazil and macadamia. Also bananas have starch, and are quite sweet. Could sub that out for some other fruit, like apples, pears or berries. Parsnips are a root veg with starch, but less of it. The POM juice you are having may well be loaded with sugar, like alot of juices are. Most veges are low calorie, let alone the carbs. The fruit I mentioned are all lower sugar. I think most like 200 grams or so carbs is fine if your very active.

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on October 18, 2012
at 08:24 PM

Here is the biology lesson, Mscott: http://www.lucastafur.com/2011/05/bioenergetics_08.html

Ef26f888ed248de197c37a4cb04ef4a7

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on October 18, 2012
at 09:28 AM

organic fruit is bad and causes inflammation? This is why so many view the paleosphere as a joke.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on October 18, 2012
at 08:15 AM

That's a pretty common response when ya go nuthin', bonebroth.

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on October 18, 2012
at 01:42 AM

Mscott, you just haven't done enough research.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 10:38 PM

How do you get so much fat without more protein? What foods do you focus on?

2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

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on October 17, 2012
at 10:13 PM

I should mention that my diet is roughly 60% fat, 20% protein and 20% carbs. This leaves pleanty of room for vegetables and even some starches.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 10:06 PM

well i don't hate it. I guess I just don't crave it like I might almonds or something. When I do crave meat it is generally pork or beef so I eat those most often. I do eat tuna a good bit... more for the convenience than taste. I am more concerned with maintaining a healthy diet than absolutely loving all my food though so I am willing to eat all sorts of meat as needed. It seems that if my body wants more meat than it will ask for it though? I really respect the paleo community on their dietary choices though so I love input from you guys on whether I should make changes!

1414dfd67708ca13685ff59bc35483f6

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:55 PM

Nuts should never be a "go to" protein source if one wants to be truly eating Paleo. They're more like add-ons or fillers. Even macadamia nuts, while healthy and delicious, are more or less unneeded. Basically, allow yourself 1/2 cup of nuts per day and stop. When you say that you don't like meat do you mean all meats or just red meat? Wild caught salmon? Organ meats?

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:18 PM

hmm interesting about the liver. I will try that.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:16 PM

If I take out non-starchy veggies then that would definitely take out a lot of the carbs!

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:15 PM

I do get a few hundred calories a day from meat and maybe another couple hundred from eggs. I am not a major meat eater but I do include it in my diet. I also do use lots of olive oil and nuts and seeds for fat.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Which is why I didn't ask if it was seasonal, but whether it was unhealthy.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:13 PM

I am 5'8 female, 128ish lbs. I don't like meat much... so I make myself eat it. I love nuts and seeds so I have been eating a lot of those. I like eggs a lot so I eat quite a bit of those. Today I just ate dinner and ended up with 1900 calories, 225g carbs, 83g fat, 76g protein. I ate a hamburger patty, an omelet, and then my normal smoothie and 2 servings of paleo pancakes.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:12 PM

August, it's not hard to shove something under the rug when it's nonexistent =D

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:02 PM

Truthfully, depending on where you are in the world, while it may, generally, be healthy, it is certainly not 'eating seasonally'. Low carb isn't part of a paleo diet, but eating seasonally certainly is, and salad veggies, unless you happen to live in Southern California or a sub-tropical climate, probably aren't growing this time of year, so if a person is striving for a seasonally-relevant diet, salads in the winter wouldn't be it.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:53 PM

You think an ovo-vegetarian diet has beef and tuna? Whut? Also, why is salad unhealthy in the winter? Srsly, whutt?

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Another thing, if you're heathy and have no issues, why change your diet?

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Agree. You're doing great. If you do begin to put on weight or if one day your doc says your blood sugar is high, then you'll want to cut down on the fruit. Otherwise, stick with what is working for you!

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:33 PM

I don't count carbs from non-starchy veggies. If you stop counting those carbs, chances are your diet is fairly low carb. And Lucas is a fan of carbs. Just sayin. The key appears to be metabolic flexability and nutrient density rather than "low carb"

7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:06 PM

Well, there is that metabolic advantage that people keep trying to shove under the rug, and then it might make you smarter, http://www.lucastafur.com/search/label/beta%20hydroxybutyrate, but hey what do I know? Oh, I know there is no reason not to be low carb, besides like the inconvience of not satisfying my sweet tooth.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:00 PM

thanks for the input. the smoothie is generally something like 1 banana + a cup of berries + 1/2 cup greek yogurt + POM pomegranate juice + 1 tbls nut butter. I think I am getting a lot of carbs from that and a lot of carbs from the salad. Ill add a couple apples to it and with all of the raw veggies it seems to add up. I'll eat a couple sweat potatoes a week but I easily get to 200-300g carbs a day. I think my portion sizes are just very large (I run a lot so I eat a lot)

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on October 17, 2012
at 07:56 PM

There is no reason to be low carb unless you need to lose weight or are diabetic or have a condition that is helped by ketosis such as epilepsy.

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on October 17, 2012
at 07:51 PM

It's a mystery to me that the food list you give would be 50% carbohydrate by calories. On basically a banana, an apple and some berries? For 50% carbs, you would need potato/rice or some other starch. Or you are seriously eating a sheeite-load of fruit. (What's in that smoothie?)

But, whatever. If you feel good and look good that's what matters, not somebody's idea of the "correct" macronutrient ratio.

PALEO IS NOT LOW CARB!!! It can be and I eat low carb, but paleo is everything from Inuit to Kitavans and everything in between.

So again, I say, if you are happy and healthy, don't worry about eating to a particular plan. Eat real food, be well and live your life.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on October 17, 2012
at 08:00 PM

thanks for the input. the smoothie is generally something like 1 banana + a cup of berries + 1/2 cup greek yogurt + POM pomegranate juice + 1 tbls nut butter. I think I am getting a lot of carbs from that and a lot of carbs from the salad. Ill add a couple apples to it and with all of the raw veggies it seems to add up. I'll eat a couple sweat potatoes a week but I easily get to 200-300g carbs a day. I think my portion sizes are just very large (I run a lot so I eat a lot)

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:34 PM

Agree. You're doing great. If you do begin to put on weight or if one day your doc says your blood sugar is high, then you'll want to cut down on the fruit. Otherwise, stick with what is working for you!

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1414dfd67708ca13685ff59bc35483f6

on October 17, 2012
at 08:23 PM

200-300 grams of carbs per day is ridiculous. Cut out a lot of the fruit. Too much sugar causes inflammation regardless of whether it's processed/shitty sugar or straight from a piece of organic fruit. You only really need 1-2 servings of fruit per day (depending on the amount of fructose said fruit contains).

Salads are weak. They give you the illusion that you're eating more than you actually are. If you're going to consume spinach then it should be wilted. Wilted spinach is actually more nutritious than raw spinach.

Seems like you're eating a lot of nuts as well. Get more MEAT. How many grams of protein are you getting per day? What's your body weight?

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on October 17, 2012
at 09:13 PM

I am 5'8 female, 128ish lbs. I don't like meat much... so I make myself eat it. I love nuts and seeds so I have been eating a lot of those. I like eggs a lot so I eat quite a bit of those. Today I just ate dinner and ended up with 1900 calories, 225g carbs, 83g fat, 76g protein. I ate a hamburger patty, an omelet, and then my normal smoothie and 2 servings of paleo pancakes.

1414dfd67708ca13685ff59bc35483f6

(30)

on October 17, 2012
at 09:55 PM

Nuts should never be a "go to" protein source if one wants to be truly eating Paleo. They're more like add-ons or fillers. Even macadamia nuts, while healthy and delicious, are more or less unneeded. Basically, allow yourself 1/2 cup of nuts per day and stop. When you say that you don't like meat do you mean all meats or just red meat? Wild caught salmon? Organ meats?

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on October 17, 2012
at 10:06 PM

well i don't hate it. I guess I just don't crave it like I might almonds or something. When I do crave meat it is generally pork or beef so I eat those most often. I do eat tuna a good bit... more for the convenience than taste. I am more concerned with maintaining a healthy diet than absolutely loving all my food though so I am willing to eat all sorts of meat as needed. It seems that if my body wants more meat than it will ask for it though? I really respect the paleo community on their dietary choices though so I love input from you guys on whether I should make changes!

1414dfd67708ca13685ff59bc35483f6

(30)

on October 19, 2012
at 02:48 AM

James, that's not at all what I said. The fructose (SUGAR) is what I was referring to. Dumbshit.

Ef26f888ed248de197c37a4cb04ef4a7

(584)

on October 18, 2012
at 09:28 AM

organic fruit is bad and causes inflammation? This is why so many view the paleosphere as a joke.

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Da2c728c093488e4f2ea87b81619682f

on October 17, 2012
at 09:31 PM

Your diet sounds healthy to me! Some people need more veggies, some more protein. Everybody is different. Whatever works for you.

2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

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on October 17, 2012
at 10:13 PM

I should mention that my diet is roughly 60% fat, 20% protein and 20% carbs. This leaves pleanty of room for vegetables and even some starches.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on October 17, 2012
at 10:38 PM

How do you get so much fat without more protein? What foods do you focus on?

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:38 PM

From that menu it looks like you are getting < 150g of carbohydrate a day (< 500kcal), general green vegetables or salads provide so few calories they are not worth counting.

If it puts your mind at rest, 2 cups of cooked starchy vegetables (i.e. cooked potato/ cooked rice) is < 100g of carbohydrate (roughly 400kcal). So I would say stay with your current diet, if you are wanting to keep things < 200g of carbohydrate then eat what you are currently, and feel free to add a couple of cups of cooked starch in.

Listen to your body, try a few days as you are 100g carbs, try a few days around 200g carbs and see how you feel. You will probably find the sweet spot between 400kcal to 600kcal of carbohydrate a day.

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on October 18, 2012
at 09:51 PM

i think your diet looks great to me! if you are feeling good and don't have any symptoms of disease, i'd say eat what you like.

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on October 18, 2012
at 07:52 PM

Many folks have don't favor meat because they lack the necessary stomach acids to digest meats; and most are unaware they have this condition. Some sources say the older we get, the less stomach acid we produce. Adding an extra ounce of meat per day; along with a digestive supplement containing betaine HCL might.

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2336245491a87ee15d4fb8f8f8283909

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:04 PM

You could eat non-starchy vegetables till they come out of your ears and still be low carb, compared to most people. ;)

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:27 PM

Well, I've had a bit of zuchini and kale recently. I keep a carrot in my fridge and eat a chunk of it every day- carrot fiber is practically medicinal. I've tried a few pickling experiments- and I have noted that I eat vegetables more reliably that way. I have frozen a bunch of parsley and occasionally grab some of that. But generally, I focus on meat, eggs, fish, etc... I have almonds, sometimes chocolate. Every once in a while I remember I like mushrooms (I do always have onions and garlic around), or eggplant, or peppers. I've had asparagus at least a couple of times this summer. You need a lot of food volume in order to get what you need from fruits and vegetables. Your desire to eat so much fruit would probably go down if you started eating liver: nutrition density challenge fruit vs beef liver This reminds me I need to eat some more liver myself. It's been a while.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on October 17, 2012
at 09:18 PM

hmm interesting about the liver. I will try that.

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:58 PM

In my opinion, you're not eating enough fats. And also fish and meat.

I'm doing the GAPS diet and in the early stages no fruit/veggies, meaning ZERO carbs.

I eat moderate protein (just boiled chicken and liver meat) and plenty of fats (coconut oil, ghee, raw egg yolk, etc..). Sometimes I can't even finish my meal. Good fats make you feel so full that you can't even imagine. I didn't think it was possible for me to live without carbs, but I was wrong.

Add fats and you'll see the difference. A bit more Primal, but still Paleo.

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:39 PM

Something is quite odd here. You have laid out the diet of an ovo-vegetarian and you eat a lot of raw food too. If that's the way you like to eat & it suits you, then I'm happy for you. Please enjoy your life.

But it really doesn't look much like a typical paleo diet around here. Most people here will be eating meat, seafood, and fish in abundanant quantities, non-starchy veg, raw and cooked, a moderate amounts of fruit and avoiding dodgy oils and pasta, bread, potatoes, flour etc. You are a million miles from that.

As I say if you are feeling great, then so be it, but...

if you are consuming 200-300 grammes of carbs per day, then I would say you aren't consuming enough fat.

Depending on where you are in the world, we are coming into winter. Eating salad and raw veg over the winter cannot be healthy, and

why aren't you eating fish & seafood if you don't tolerate meat well?

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on October 17, 2012
at 08:53 PM

You think an ovo-vegetarian diet has beef and tuna? Whut? Also, why is salad unhealthy in the winter? Srsly, whutt?

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on October 17, 2012
at 09:13 PM

Which is why I didn't ask if it was seasonal, but whether it was unhealthy.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

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on October 18, 2012
at 11:22 PM

Potatoes are tubers. Why wouldnt they be paleo?

Ca1150430b1904659742ce2cad621c7d

(12540)

on October 17, 2012
at 09:02 PM

Truthfully, depending on where you are in the world, while it may, generally, be healthy, it is certainly not 'eating seasonally'. Low carb isn't part of a paleo diet, but eating seasonally certainly is, and salad veggies, unless you happen to live in Southern California or a sub-tropical climate, probably aren't growing this time of year, so if a person is striving for a seasonally-relevant diet, salads in the winter wouldn't be it.

2e777bbcd49262eb31a24f821abec6bc

(1974)

on October 17, 2012
at 09:15 PM

I do get a few hundred calories a day from meat and maybe another couple hundred from eggs. I am not a major meat eater but I do include it in my diet. I also do use lots of olive oil and nuts and seeds for fat.

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