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Holes in the 80-10-10 diet

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Created November 26, 2011 at 7:44 AM

Out of pure curiosity, suppose you're an avid long distance runner of average weight and you're able to consume 5500 calories a day from fruit alone, with some greens. Cronometer tells me you would meet almost all nutritional targets, except b12 and vitamin D. You also get about 79 grams of protein. And aren't excess carbohydrates turned into saturated fat in the body? So in theory could a person live off this diet? Again, this is out of pure curiousity, I follow paleo and love it. I've always just been interested in nutrition.

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Plenty of info on very low fat cooked diets reversing insulin resistance and curing diabetes if you do some searches particularly for neal barnard.

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on January 27, 2012
at 05:14 PM

How long has this worked for you, Dany?

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on November 28, 2011
at 10:58 PM

"not from concentrate juice" :)

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on November 28, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Hmm... food for thought I guess. For myself I haven't been able to drink much milk since adolescence. Also I am assuming you meant to say that "your main calorie sources **are** from..."

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on November 28, 2011
at 10:08 PM

My diet is extremely convenient as my main calorie sources are not from concentrate juice and conventional milk which are widely available. My regimen could be compatible with IF'ing but I wouldn't recommend it.

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on November 28, 2011
at 09:35 PM

@Cliff- A question; how convenient is your diet? I think most whole food diets are impractical in a fast-food based world. I prefer to just not eat until I get home most days. Is IF even compatible with your version of 811?

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on November 28, 2011
at 09:33 PM

Good points Cliff. I beginning to wonder what the common threads are to all of the variety of diets that seem to be successful for so many. I'm leaning towards lack of anti-nutrients and toxins whereas macro ratios may be very variable. Thought about this while reading: http://rajganpath.com/2011/07/19/what-did-healthy-south-indians-eat-in-the-early-1900s/

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on November 27, 2011
at 07:23 AM

The only way to not be deficient in omega-3 when you consume almost none is if your brain is shrinking. I'd be interested in seeing a daily combination of fruits that provides enough choline. I forgot to mention you'll lose all of your teeth, so the fruit and veggies diet may quickly have to become a fruit juice and veggie juice diet.

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on November 26, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Also to add to this: according to Art De Vany, if you do this, you'll burn through your spare stem cells and at some point die. He likes to post pointers to marathon deaths. They all say "But he was so healthy!"

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on November 26, 2011
at 03:10 PM

Judging by anecdotes from long-term fruitarians, the diet apparently makes you deficient in teeth.

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:31 PM

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/801010-type-2-diabetes

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:29 PM

Cravings are definetly gone, they basically disappeard once I started eating salt, fat and protein in reasonable amounts :)

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:27 PM

I have no idea but durianrider has measured his blood glucose on video before and after eating and it was in the normal range. A lot of people actually have success with the 811 diet and diabetes as well, robby barbados in particular has type 1 diabetes and he claims 811 diet has drastically decreased the amount of insulin he has to inject. Diabetes is more related to fat imo which the 811 diet removes entirely for the for the most part.

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:26 PM

I also like your comment on insane cravings....it's what drives everyone off of unbalanced diets once they lose their motivation...whether paleo or fruitarian or cabbage soup....glad to hear you've modified it and hope your cravings are gone...

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:16 PM

@cliff, what did this diet do to your blood glucose levels? Starting out at reasonable weight and activity level you might be OK, but this sounds like a sedentary diabetic's worst nightmare.

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at 12:52 PM

Omega-3 deficient is basically impossible to get and low iron is a good thing. Choline is rich in fruits too.

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Please re-phrase this question & make it more topical.

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A03f0d03067a43c61786481d91e5d3a0

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on November 26, 2011
at 09:25 AM

Other deficiencies:

  • Omega-3 - to allow your brain to function properly
  • Iron - in vegetables it tends to be rather non-bioavailable
  • Choline - most vegetarians are deficient

Excesses:

  • Fructose (!) - mild levels of fructose are almost certainly paleo and tolerable, but a diet where it is >50% of calories is a hop and a sugar-crash skip away

There are probably a number of things I've missed out, but those are off the top off my head.

As an aside, why on earth would our paleolithic ancestors be long-distance runners if they're going to eat fruit and vegetables all the time? Seems like walking would more than suffice. Those fruits and veggies aren't going anywhere fast.

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on November 26, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Also to add to this: according to Art De Vany, if you do this, you'll burn through your spare stem cells and at some point die. He likes to post pointers to marathon deaths. They all say "But he was so healthy!"

A03f0d03067a43c61786481d91e5d3a0

(1078)

on November 27, 2011
at 07:23 AM

The only way to not be deficient in omega-3 when you consume almost none is if your brain is shrinking. I'd be interested in seeing a daily combination of fruits that provides enough choline. I forgot to mention you'll lose all of your teeth, so the fruit and veggies diet may quickly have to become a fruit juice and veggie juice diet.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 26, 2011
at 12:52 PM

Omega-3 deficient is basically impossible to get and low iron is a good thing. Choline is rich in fruits too.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:08 PM

I've done the diet for an 8 month period, during this period I lost weight all the way down to 140(I'm back up to 175ish now) and pretty sure I became deficient in vit A. The cravings I had on that diet were absolutely insane as well. It did have benefits though, it was a very anti-stress diet(the only reason I was able to deal with the cravings imo) and gave me a ton of energy. It also put me in the mind set to not care what others think because of all the weird comments you get, which helped me for sure.

That was about 2 years ago that I did that and since then I've tried a ton of different diets. After all that experimentation I've kinda settled on a diet that is pretty similar to 811 but much higher pro/fat with 811 level of sugars. this diet gives me the benefits of 811 without the negatives.

The last two posters some how think cardio is required because durianrider does it?? But I can assure you that if you are a male who isn't already 300lbs you literally have to do nothing and the weight will melt off for some reason. I lost a lot of weight on 811 all while eating ~4000 cals and doing very little cardio, mostly just walking.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on November 26, 2011
at 01:31 PM

http://www.30bananasaday.com/forum/topics/801010-type-2-diabetes

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 26, 2011
at 01:27 PM

I have no idea but durianrider has measured his blood glucose on video before and after eating and it was in the normal range. A lot of people actually have success with the 811 diet and diabetes as well, robby barbados in particular has type 1 diabetes and he claims 811 diet has drastically decreased the amount of insulin he has to inject. Diabetes is more related to fat imo which the 811 diet removes entirely for the for the most part.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 26, 2011
at 01:29 PM

Cravings are definetly gone, they basically disappeard once I started eating salt, fat and protein in reasonable amounts :)

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Plenty of info on very low fat cooked diets reversing insulin resistance and curing diabetes if you do some searches particularly for neal barnard.

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 26, 2011
at 01:26 PM

I also like your comment on insane cravings....it's what drives everyone off of unbalanced diets once they lose their motivation...whether paleo or fruitarian or cabbage soup....glad to hear you've modified it and hope your cravings are gone...

Medium avatar

(10611)

on November 26, 2011
at 01:16 PM

@cliff, what did this diet do to your blood glucose levels? Starting out at reasonable weight and activity level you might be OK, but this sounds like a sedentary diabetic's worst nightmare.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 28, 2011
at 10:08 PM

My diet is extremely convenient as my main calorie sources are not from concentrate juice and conventional milk which are widely available. My regimen could be compatible with IF'ing but I wouldn't recommend it.

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on November 28, 2011
at 09:35 PM

@Cliff- A question; how convenient is your diet? I think most whole food diets are impractical in a fast-food based world. I prefer to just not eat until I get home most days. Is IF even compatible with your version of 811?

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on November 28, 2011
at 10:25 PM

Hmm... food for thought I guess. For myself I haven't been able to drink much milk since adolescence. Also I am assuming you meant to say that "your main calorie sources **are** from..."

34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on November 28, 2011
at 09:33 PM

Good points Cliff. I beginning to wonder what the common threads are to all of the variety of diets that seem to be successful for so many. I'm leaning towards lack of anti-nutrients and toxins whereas macro ratios may be very variable. Thought about this while reading: http://rajganpath.com/2011/07/19/what-did-healthy-south-indians-eat-in-the-early-1900s/

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on November 28, 2011
at 10:58 PM

"not from concentrate juice" :)

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34b560c8b9ce660d7839fb7e29d7be89

on November 26, 2011
at 10:03 AM

Well, in reference to your question; "could a person live off this diet." I think the obvious answer is yes, just look at the 30 Bananas a Day crowd. The question should be whether the diet would be optimal, that is harder to be sure of as there are few populations that practice or have practiced such a diet/lifestyle.

Personally I believe that the lack of toxins and anti-nutrients may actually be beneficial. But the high level of cardio required to burn the fructose may be detrimental in other ways. My own experience with high levels of running was pretty positive except for the feeling that there was no way my joints would survive the decades of punishment required to sustain my "carbo-loading."

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on January 27, 2012
at 05:03 PM

Sounds like you didn't incorporate enough greens and veggies on the 811. Done correctly the results are amazing. I can turn on or off weight gain strictly from increase or decrease of fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds.

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on January 27, 2012
at 05:14 PM

How long has this worked for you, Dany?

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