on November 20, 2013
at 12:45 AM
Four lbs of apples is about 27 grams of pectin, close to the suggested intake of 30 grams of fermentable fiber. I recognize in my own experience the positive properties of apples on guts. a little over a lb of cold, boiled potatoes will give you the same amount in resistant starches. I recognize the value of day-after potatoes, too. But why not have both? The calorie counter will still be below 1000, plenty of room for meat and fats and a bowl of inulin-rich radicchio. Also, these days I am eating a lot of drops (apples unfit for selling). You peel them, quarter them, and cook them with just a bit of water until they turn mushy. I recommend this to anyone, with a good bowl of soup, for soothing any irritated intestine. Also when living in Brazil my go-to fruits were guava, papaya, and bananas. Unconsciously, I must be attracted to fermentable fibers. The same boiled apples, cooked with a handful of cranberries, are a great side dish for anything pork.
on November 19, 2013
at 07:47 AM
i cannot post a comment for @raydawg under the answer either at the moment, so re this bit,"When you eat high carb (to the point of triggering insulin) and high fat together, all you'll do is store that fat instead of burning it - that's what insulin does: it tells our fat cells to store whatever nutrients are available in fat and muscle cells" excerpt from @raydawg answer, isn't this kinda of true for food in general, i mean it's not as if we instantly burn each calorie as it gets 'absorbed' (prob wrong terminology). unless the body requires the same or more cals at the time they are being absorbed (circulating in the blood), surely they have to be stored to be used later. that's one of the things i like about being 'fat adapted'...the fact i can go without food for so long without feeling hungry
on November 18, 2013
at 07:50 PM
If you think about it, the only food that is really "meant" to be eaten is actually FRUIT - is it not?
- Fruit has evolved so that animals like us eat it.
- Plants themselves don't want to be eaten hence the "anti-nutrients" they contain.
- The same goes for their seeds [grains] obviously and because these can be eaten in much more densely concentrated doses, if these "anti-nutrients" are a problem you would think the seeds would therefore be even more of a problem.
- Animals certainly do not want to be eaten.
Now saying all that, if you look at other animals, all of the above are eaten without problems as different animals have ADAPTED to eating the different types of food. Therefore is the fact something is "meant" to be eaten even relevant?
I think the more important question is just how long does it take to adapt to eating different things? This basically forms the whole premise behind paleo i know - that we are adapted to eat meat and vegetables and some fruit but not so well adapted to grains etc. But i think the big problem behind paleo is that the time to adapt MAY be shorter than we realize and/or also the fact that different people across the World have adapted differently.
Therefore there is no ONE FITS ALL PALEO DIET. One man's paleo is another man's neolithic etc.
Before i ramble too much, i think it may go something like this: We started off eating lots of fruit. Some of us started to move away from the fruit to places where there was less fruit so we started to eat other "stuff". Therefore we started to adapt to that other stuff and because we were eating less fruit we may have started to lose the ability to eat so much fruit.
So the long and short of it is -
Because humans have moved all over the place and now adapted, at least to some extent, to eating almost everything else, the answer to how much fruit you should eat is not a simple one.
In my opinion i think your latitude and position on the Earth may actually be of some help. For some reason i think sunlight and climate affect how much fruit we can eat.
Also i think your genetic heritage [if that is the right term] plays a big role. I think people with more of a Northern latitude heritage may not be so suited to so much fruit as someone with a more Southerly heritage.
I think the way paleo stands as it is, it is actually best suited to people of a Northern genetic heritage. I know paleo and primal are just meant to be a guideline etc but i am talking in general and how the average person perceives it.
[I haven't even considered the fact that just because you can digest something doesn't mean it is good for you lol - maybe not being able to digest "poisons" such as fructose could be a good thing lol - if you aren't digesting fructose then how can it damage your liver? - the easiest thing to "digest" for just about most people is glucose - does this mean anything?]
on November 18, 2013
at 04:46 PM
@glib was meant as a comment, but PH is broken again)
I'm sure you could also eat two dozen jelly donuts 3x a day, or a bucket of twinkies. Doesn't mean it would be a healthy practice.
Since you're talking about chimps, while we have a very distant relative in common, we are not chimps - even so, despite fruitarian propaganda, chimps aren't fruitarians, they're omnivores and they're very skilled hunters as documented in this article, possibly driving them to extinction, and you can see it in this video.
They also eat termites and other insects.
on November 18, 2013
at 11:50 AM
1. Don't confuse the effects of fructose, which in large quantities is harmful with eating a reasonable amount of fruit.
2. Only eat fruit when it's in season to your locality. That probably will mean, no bananas in the winter, and for most cases, no bananas at all if you don't live in a tropical region where they grow.
3. Generally fruits are available ripe at the end of summer, eat them in that time frame, with maybe the exception of berries which are available earlier. Fructose and fruit bingeing is a signal to our bodies that says "Winter is coming, better store as much as we can in fat, because we may have to face periods of fasting and starvation." In a modern environment, we don't have periods of fasting and starvation, so high fruit (and high carb) consumption is a recipe for gaining lots of fat, with no opportunity to lose it.
4. Do not eat fruit and fat together, (except in the case of things like avocados which are fruit.) When you eat high carb (to the point of triggering insulin) and high fat together, all you'll do is store that fat instead of burning it - that's what insulin does: it tells our fat cells to store whatever nutrients are available in fat and muscle cells. Muscle cells have a limit as to how much they can store, fat cells can grow without limit, do the math.
5. The people you see here telling you to eat tons of it have an agenda. They aren't paleo, they're fruitarians, which for some reason have decided it would be fun to troll here. You can tell by their recommendations to eat tons of fruit, avoid meat, their bad science ignoring two million years of evolution including several ice ages, and low scores and the tons of comments telling them they're wrong. Shame on them for trolling here.
Perhaps it's just another sign that Paleo is becoming more mainstream, and they're jealous and have nothing better to do than take their marching orders from their durian riding 30 bananas a day eating leader, like lemmings.
I'm sure they think they're doing wonderful things for themselves, and they probably feel wonderful from the sugar rush they get, which probably explains their bad behavior here. Think Beavis and Butthead where Beavis ingests a ton of candy bars and becomes The Great Cornholio.
I'm not against eating fruit, nor carbs, but I do fall lower on the carb intake spectrum. Keep it under 200g/day, especially under 100g/day if you're trying to lean out. Normally I try to eat something like half a cup of berries a day, or half a cup of white rice, or perhaps a medium yam or small potato as my source of starch.
6. There was something somewhere, I recall vaguely about fructose reacting with omega 3 in the liver causing carcinogenic pathways, but for the life of me, I can't find a reference to it. Take that with a grain of salt, perhaps it was here:http://perfecthealthdiet.com/2011/04/omega-3-fats-angiogenesis-and-cancer-part-i/
Edit - since I can't reply in a comment to the answer about how fruit is anticarcinogenic.
Fruit contains glucose and fructose, both of which are known to feed cancer cells. Doesn't matter. What matters is that fruit co-evolved with the animals that ate it in order for their seed to be spread. It doesn't mean that it has a will and intends that we eat it, or that it's beneficial to humans on purpose - it's simply another accident of evolution.
As an aside, want proof? Look up poisonous berries - that's right, they are fruit which will hurt you or kill you if you eat it, and yet, certain animals are evolved to do so, but we cannot. i.e. badgers can eat yew berries, but we cannot, etc.
We, in turn, evolved to use the signals from fructose ingestion to prepare for winter - also by accident of evolution. If we eat the whole fruit, in the amounts we evolved to do so, we don't get sick. Outside of this narrow band lies sickness.
on November 16, 2013
at 05:42 PM
hi guys, wow, thank you very much. your answers are so useful. conclusion, i will keep enjoying my three apples a day (about 80 grams of carbs) since they are my main source of healthy carbs. THANKS A LOT!!!!!!
on November 16, 2013
at 05:30 AM
Choose organic and I think you'll be fine. A friend of my put a non organic apple on her desk in the beginning of July, then went of for vacation. Came back a month later, the apple looked exactly the same, she decided to see how long it would take for it to loose it's "freshness" her last pic of the apple was yesterday. It still looks delicious ... and seeing this I decided to never eat non organic food again. Gross!!!! What on earth do they use on those granny smith!
on November 16, 2013
at 02:14 AM
Eat as much fruit as you can. Seriously anyone who says fruit makes you fat of fruit is bad for you is doing some pretty big mental gymnastics with studies to try and push an agen da, whether a book they sell or an idea they promote.
I have known a few vegans from my time in certain circles and the ones who heavily rely on fruit for the majority of their food are lean, have amazing skin and are never ill, seriously they look and perform great.
I knew a guy who started at a boxing gym and he must of been 35% plus body fat and had horrible acne and just looked like a bag of shit.
He started doing the Vegan version of a whole foods diet and was obsessed with the dolce diet books and kept these little tubs of fruit with him to eat on his way home.
Anyway about a year in he was down to like 12 percent body fat had increased his lbm about 25 pounds i would guess from looking at him and his entire skin problem had gone.
He used to say he started off every morning with about 10 bananas, 1 scoop of hemp protein powder and about 3 spoons of cold pressed coconut oil. then from midday on he would consume as much fruit as he could, he would fry banana in coconut oil and blend berries and pour it over the top, he would make tonnes of smoothies and he felt amazing and went from a fat nerdy kid with no confidence to this really well adjusted confident guy who felt good and looked it.
I love my meat, more specifically steak. corn fed fatty steak. I feel great after a steak, I eat it after I lift weights and it satisfies some itch I have for blood after training. But if I had to choose between red meat and fruit I would have to choose fruit and just stick with poultry and seafood.
A high sugar fruit with a whack of coconut oil is the most well rounded, micronutrient dense food you can eat, for cheap and have taste amazing. Meat is fantastic, it is delicious and the moral arguments against meat are ridiculous, I am the antithesis of a vegan, however this whole high fat moderate carb anti sugar stuff is really puzzling to me.
Eat lots of fat, lots of sugar, lots of protein and feed your body and let it grow. People who think being thin is healthy are crazy, if cavemen could see their abdominals they were nowhere near as badass as the caveman with no abs, who was stronger, could sprint faster and could bash all the over cavemen about and take the females for himself.
Oh and Garry Taubes can kiss my 25% body fat ass and see who is healthier, more athletic and has more sustained energy :P
(that was a joke before someone thinks i hate Taubes because I disagree with him)
on November 16, 2013
at 01:26 AM
Fruits were so desirable for humans that they evolved color vision. Pectin is one of the three great partially digestible fibers, feeding good bacteria, and feeding you with extra minerals, extra B12, K2, and short chain fatty acids. Fruits are king for vitamin C and potassium. Difficult to advise you in detail, but I can eat 4 lbs of apples and watermelons, 2 lbs of grapes, pears, cantaloupe, papaya, and 1 lb a day of most every other fruit with no problem. In November, I usually buy (family of 3) ten bushels of storage apples.
on November 16, 2013
at 12:00 AM
Can you eat fruits? Orthodox Paleo Approach: fruits like the ones we have nowadays weren't available in ye Golden Age of Yore; thus, thou shouldn't eat them. Besides, fruit sugar isn't good for you.
Modern Paleo: It's pretty hard to eat too much fruit sugar, except if your intake is in the order of 30 bananas a day.
Fruits are necessary, yes, because of vitamins and who knows which beneficial compounds; however, if you're trying to lose weight or control insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome or diabetes, I'd keep the intake low.
on November 15, 2013
at 08:49 PM
Fruit has antioxidants that help prevent cancer.
Some think too much sugar increases chances of cancer, and I agree! But that's added, refined sugar and HFCS. You eat the nutrients the body needds to metabolize sugar when you eat the WHOLE FRUIT. So, eat THE WHOLE FRUIT.
Love apples. You should, too.
on November 15, 2013
at 08:45 PM
Fruit it up. About 1lb (0.45kg) a day is fine. Some eat less for various reasons (FODMAPs)
For apples all of the good stuff is in the skin, and unless it's organic that's also where the pesticides are. (washed organic apple skins, FTW)