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Foods that are not paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 15, 2011 at 8:27 PM

I was surfing the net (looking for a paleo Jello recipe, to be honest), which took me to a paleo forum. One of the posters had a signature that read:

"Don't kid yourself - it's not Paleo!

"Wheat, rice, oats, barley, rye, bamboo, maize/corn, sorghum, sugar cane, millet, fonio, buckwheat, rhubarb, amaranth grain, sugar beet, beetroot, spinach, cream, butter, ghee, milk, casein, whey, yogurt, milk powders, kumis, bell peppers, chili peppers, potato, tomato, eggplant, arrowroot, cassava/tapioca, sweet potato, yam, jicama, alfalfa, peas, beans, lentils, carob, peanuts, cashews, mango, olives, cocoa, okra, coffee, stevia, squash, pumpkin, salt, honey, and artificial preservatives, flavors, colors and sweeteners."

Okay, so I can see the artificial stuff, grains, and legumes - even the dairy. I guess if you want to go out on a limb (a very loooong limb), I can see the nightshades, cashews and even salt. But spinach, mango, olives, okra, pumpkin, and honey? What is the reasoning behind this?

I also noticed "alcohol" was conspicuous in its absence on the list.

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on August 23, 2011
at 05:19 PM

Very nice, Karen!

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on July 17, 2011
at 02:01 AM

Sweet hickory smoke, I can't imagine life without some of these things. Following his exclusions would be where quality of life sharply declined for a very teeny increased benefit. Life without pumpkin soup? Without marinara sauce? Without spinach omelettes? Olives? Not a life for me.

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on July 16, 2011
at 04:14 AM

Just because honey spikes insulin doesnt mean it's not paleo. Cavemen didnt know about too much about insulin (mainly because there was nowhere to plug in their blood glucose meters). If they found it and it tasted nice i am sure they would have eaten it. on the human planet the HGs loved honey, it was prized, so i dont think that arguement holds any water.

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on July 16, 2011
at 01:02 AM

Good point. Phytochemicals arose as a plant's defense to what was going around in their environment, and concurrently, hominids were also adapting. I think we can all nit-pick each food item and find one thing or other that would not be considered Paleo. But we use knowledge based on what might have been trial-and-error by our ancestors. We don't eat mango seeds and we don't eat the shell of the cashew--where these toxins are located. Grok's poor brother may have eaten these things, but Grok observed and learned...just like us.

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on July 16, 2011
at 12:22 AM

This is interesting...I think there are two different issues, then, that such a list brings up: what is considered Paleo by timeline standards, and what is considered Paleo by phytochemical standards. Because they are not the same thing. Grok would've eaten whatever seemed edible, including cashews. 'Cause you know what's really Paleo? Dealing with your environment and adapting.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on July 16, 2011
at 12:15 AM

Wow. They are SO Paleo! Because you know what's more Paleo than food? Starvation.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:46 PM

No doubt, cavemanforums is a bit orthodox. I'm also a bit turned off by the guy who mentions eating raw meat in every post even if it has nothing to do with the subject.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:36 PM

Sounds like one of the die-hards on cavemanforum.com lol...they're a big reason why I've been spending more time here!

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:29 PM

I've always fantasized about one day holding a massive Paleo BBQ. This person would not be invited.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:13 PM

food nazi...snicker :) had to plus one that.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:07 PM

bamboo? rhubarb? squash?

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B4e1fa6a8cf43d2b69d97a99dfca262c

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on July 15, 2011
at 10:37 PM

they missed grass fed angus beef...they must be eating only alligator, shark and cockroaches.

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:50 PM

It looks to me like he is coming from a very recreationist point of view. While true, you cant really pop an olive off a tree and eat it, and therefore must be "processed" by soaking it pull the salt out to make it palatable. So following that line of reasoning, Grok probably wasnt a big fan of olives.

However, I think that most of us are on the modern paleo tip, meaning that we are adopting and adapting the paleolithic ideals to the modern world. Unless this guy is actually hunting and gethering, he really needs to lighten up.

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:42 PM

That list is super long...and I don't agree with some - mostly the ones that you pointed out Jan. But I think that everyone should have their own personal what is paleo list - but that's just my opinion.

I wouldn't want to cook for or eat with this person (obviosly a meat-itatrian) - not a big fan of food nazi's.

But I love eggplant, jicama, tomato, chili and bell pepprs, ghee, spinach, okra, olives, beets, rhubarb, pumpkin, coffee and squash.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:13 PM

food nazi...snicker :) had to plus one that.

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Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:38 PM

The reasoning behind the exclusion of spinach is the product of a very fundamentalist mindset towards Paleo.

Spinach is botanically classified as a member of the buckwheat family (polygonaceae), which is a pseudo-grain. Hence why rhubarb (also polygonaceae) is verboten as well.

The only thing that I can think of is that this person has severe allergies and is trying to avoid cross-reactants.

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on March 16, 2013
at 04:20 AM

SCREW THAT LIST! HA HA! I eat a lot of those foods to my hearts content and feel fabulous! I am going to continue to eat squash and love it :)

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76d0056c773673e24b8c57a685d504ed

on July 15, 2011
at 11:56 PM

If I understand correctly, cashews have not been considered to be Paleo by some because they are of the plant family Anacardiaceae. Plants of this family often have a phytochemical called urushiol that can cause allergic reactions. Included in this plant family is poison ivy, and of course we all know it can cause severe allergic reactions. Also in this family group is mangoes and pistachios. So, the point is for perhaps mango it's not the sugar content but rather that it is in a family of plants that contain the phytochemical (which I believe resides in the seed of the mango). The phytochemical is in the shells of the cashew, and proper roasting should rid the cashews of this chemical.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on July 16, 2011
at 12:22 AM

This is interesting...I think there are two different issues, then, that such a list brings up: what is considered Paleo by timeline standards, and what is considered Paleo by phytochemical standards. Because they are not the same thing. Grok would've eaten whatever seemed edible, including cashews. 'Cause you know what's really Paleo? Dealing with your environment and adapting.

76d0056c773673e24b8c57a685d504ed

(132)

on July 16, 2011
at 01:02 AM

Good point. Phytochemicals arose as a plant's defense to what was going around in their environment, and concurrently, hominids were also adapting. I think we can all nit-pick each food item and find one thing or other that would not be considered Paleo. But we use knowledge based on what might have been trial-and-error by our ancestors. We don't eat mango seeds and we don't eat the shell of the cashew--where these toxins are located. Grok's poor brother may have eaten these things, but Grok observed and learned...just like us.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Depends on one's definition of paleo and the timeline. Some people believe that any food that was not around in Africa as humans evolved or at least prior to our emergence from Africa, approx 60,000 years ago, are not paleo.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on July 16, 2011
at 12:15 AM

Wow. They are SO Paleo! Because you know what's more Paleo than food? Starvation.

884de41c8ab17d8f970311f63c8f5d53

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on August 23, 2011
at 05:19 PM

Very nice, Karen!

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:59 PM

Sounds like a severe case of historical reenactment with disregards to science. I came across a blog post with the same "non-paleo" food list (presumably by the same person). The reason she doesn't eat them is because they are new world/modernly palatable foods. Also, she listed spinach under the grains section. Um.

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on July 15, 2011
at 09:22 PM

I guess it's not paleo in the sense that most everything available for eat has been chosen through human selection, cross pollination techniques and hybridization.

That said, eating what is available to you is very paleo. Making smarter, healthier choices isn't paleo, either. I'm sure Grok ate whatever he wanted, when ever he wanted, so long as it was available.

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on July 15, 2011
at 08:46 PM

Ummmm spinach and cashews are in Robb Wolf's book so I'm not sure where this person is pulling that from. The nuts you would want to prepare, but I'm not sure what their issue is with spinach. I eat quite a bit of it without any issue that I know of. For what it's worth I eat baby spinach.

The honey and mango I could see because of the high sugar content. Insulin spikes. Olives can be suspect due to all the extra crap they put in them, but I have found some clean brands of the kalamata variety. I eat those all the time too. Pumpkin is starchy. Okra I'm not sure what the big issue would be there either.

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on July 16, 2011
at 04:14 AM

Just because honey spikes insulin doesnt mean it's not paleo. Cavemen didnt know about too much about insulin (mainly because there was nowhere to plug in their blood glucose meters). If they found it and it tasted nice i am sure they would have eaten it. on the human planet the HGs loved honey, it was prized, so i dont think that arguement holds any water.

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